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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-03 15:05:33
March 03 2016 14:29 GMT
#62781
if people think russia is so great maybe they should move there.

i hear the gulags are nice this time of year
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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18114 Posts
March 03 2016 14:34 GMT
#62782
On March 03 2016 23:16 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2016 15:13 wei2coolman wrote:
On March 03 2016 14:54 Seuss wrote:
We really don't want Trump to be president. It's objectively terrifying that he's this close to the GOP nomination as it stands.

I mean, there are any number of things that could happen that could lead him to an easy win in November. The Clinton email scandal could actually be damning but not explode until after Sanders is out. The economy could tank and the President's party usually eats the blame for that. Another national security nightmare could happen with Obama/Clinton eating the blame.

Do we really want to be crossing our fingers between July and November that none of that, or other, shit happens?

Whoa, speak for yourself. I'm all for a meme presidency. If anything, it's what the liberals really should be begging for tbh. Either we get the democrats and republicans working together in the House and the Senate to fuck over Trump, or the Democrats sweep the living shit out of the Republicans in the House 4 to 8 years down the line, or America is Great Again.


I'm using "we" in the same sense as when a friend suggests a really awful idea and you respond "we really don't want to do that". I'm not claiming you agree with me, I'm claiming the results would be awful for everyone involved.

I don't trust that Trump will be anywhere near as benign a President as you assume he'll be. The man thinks Putin has good ideas about how to run a government.


He's not wrong. Putin has great ideas for running a government. As long as that government is a repressive oligarchy.
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
March 03 2016 15:04 GMT
#62783
More stats on how likely it is that party members would continue to support a respective nominee:

Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43214 Posts
March 03 2016 15:23 GMT
#62784
On March 03 2016 17:04 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2016 14:14 Mercy13 wrote:
On March 03 2016 14:11 ElMeanYo wrote:
On March 03 2016 14:06 Nyxisto wrote:
Well it sounds reasonable. I'm actually fucking scared of Trump leading the most powerful NATO state.


Why? He's the only one with the balls (literally) to stand up to Putin, who is basically a Russian version of him.


Yeah, and as we all know Putin has been GREAT for Russia...

Yes.He has.

It took the USA almost 10 years to raise rates from 0.25 to 0.5 whilst last year Russia hiked rates to 16-17%.USA would collapse overnight with 10% rates, heck there was enough wailing about a paltry 0.25% hike.I guess having 19 trillion in debt does that.The USA raised rates to 18% in 1980.An economy that cannot raise rates (Eg Japan since 1995) is a very unhealthy one.

And gotta laugh about these folks posting stuff about how many republicans won't be backing Trump in the general...
ITS THE SAME WITH SANDERS SUPPORTERS AND CLINTON! #bernieorbust

I'm not sure if you're trolling or stupid but Russia's economy has imploded. There are government workers simply not getting paid already and they're running on currency reserves which won't last another two years unless oil prices recover significantly. Russia is basically a big Greece at this point with Putin trying to appeal to Russian nationalism to cover for the fact that the country has failed under his leadership.

No amount of ritual sacrifice of European cheeses and bombing of foreigners will change that.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43214 Posts
March 03 2016 15:30 GMT
#62785
On March 03 2016 23:03 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2016 22:47 GoTuNk! wrote:
I'm quite sure the vast majority of republicans viscerally hate Hillary and Obama so much they will eventually come to terms with Trump's nomination. This is just pure speculation by myself though.

Also, as unlikely as it seems now, I wouldn't be surprised to see current and/or former GOP candidates supporting Trump and being on his staff later on.

"Some harsh things where said as part of the race to win the nomination, but we are all in this together, to make America Great AGAIN!!!"


Considering how he's being pitched as a con-man I don't think they can really get behind him without losing credibility. It's hard to go from a liar, idiot, dangerous, racist, etc.. to, he should be president.

Show nested quote +
I mean, who do you think would have won in 2012? Herman Cain or something?


You know, for as much of a joke as his run was, he's got one of the few catchphrases I can recall from all of the losers.

+ Show Spoiler +
9-9-9!!!!

Herman Cain was the guy who had the pokemon theme song spread throughout his speeches.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18838 Posts
March 03 2016 15:31 GMT
#62786
Anyone who lauds anything about Russia clearly lives in another world lol. I mean, what screams successful nation more than a 38 year old Uzbek woman parading around the severed head of her 4 year old daughter in said nation's capital?
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
March 03 2016 15:33 GMT
#62787
maybe 17% interest rates and stable, almost gold level solid, currency
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Krikkitone
Profile Joined April 2009
United States1451 Posts
March 03 2016 15:35 GMT
#62788
On March 03 2016 21:15 GreenHorizons wrote:
Is it just me or wouldn't it be pretty easy to talk everyone (the people dissatisfied with their potential nominee) but Hillary into trying to run 4 people all the way through the general?

Trump, X, Hillary and Bernie. I'd be curious to at least see it polled


Last time that happened (4 legitimate candidates) there was a Civil War.

Realistically, we'd probably end up with Ryan as President since no one would get the electoral college votes to win and the House would choose.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-03 15:36:11
March 03 2016 15:36 GMT
#62789
I am waiting for Russia to switch over to bullets as currency, because the only thing of value is human lives and the ability to survive. Just get to the true dystopia they have been threatening to become for so long.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Reaps
Profile Joined June 2012
United Kingdom1280 Posts
March 03 2016 15:36 GMT
#62790
On March 04 2016 00:31 farvacola wrote:
Anyone who lauds anything about Russia clearly lives in another world lol. I mean, what screams successful nation more than a 38 year old Uzbek woman parading around the severed head of her 4 year old daughter in said nation's capital?



It wasn't her daughter and not sure why that has anything to do with Russia being successful or not, it could happen anywhere.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18838 Posts
March 03 2016 15:38 GMT
#62791
On March 04 2016 00:36 Reaps wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2016 00:31 farvacola wrote:
Anyone who lauds anything about Russia clearly lives in another world lol. I mean, what screams successful nation more than a 38 year old Uzbek woman parading around the severed head of her 4 year old daughter in said nation's capital?



It wasn't her daughter and not sure why that has anything to do with Russia being successful or not, it could happen anywhere.

yes, it has nothing to do with Russia being successful.

lol
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-03 15:47:27
March 03 2016 15:39 GMT
#62792
I feel like KwarK has become much more trolly over the last couple months. We've rubbed off on him.

I like new/old KwarK.
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18838 Posts
March 03 2016 15:41 GMT
#62793
Nah, he's just reverting to rape thread KwarK after years of attempted rehab
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 03 2016 15:44 GMT
#62794
I feel like the GOP race becoming a clown show preformed upon a dumpster fire has changed the tone of the thread. When people are claiming that “Russia is great!” and Putin is a cool dude that totally didn’t have reporter assassinated, at some point trolling is all you have left.

Its like that John Oliver skit about global warming and depicting it as a 1 on 1 debate, but its really 98 vs 2 in favor of global warming.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-03 15:57:42
March 03 2016 15:45 GMT
#62795
ive managed to recover some optimism after watching some hillary and cat videos. trump wont win

the problem with the u.s. system isnt really two party it has to do with a system with multiple chokepoints on the negative side but a lot of inputs on legislation. this makes it easy to insert interests but hard to enact reform against organized interests.



currently with the way house is organized or monied groups exercise enormous power. the gerrymandering only contributes to the underlying undemocratic reps distribution. with aforementioned multiple points of chokepoint a radical group actually has too much power in the us.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18114 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-03 15:48:55
March 03 2016 15:48 GMT
#62796
On March 04 2016 00:44 Plansix wrote:
I feel like the GOP race becoming a clown show preformed upon a dumpster fire has changed the tone of the thread. When people are claiming that “Russia is great!” and Putin is a cool dude that totally didn’t have reporter assassinated, at some point trolling is all you have left.

Its like that John Oliver skit about global warming and depicting it as a 1 on 1 debate, but its really 98 vs 2 in favor of global warming.

Except that due to the way your political system works, it really is a 1v1 debate. One of those clowns dancing in a dumpster fire has a very real chance of becoming president. And while I wish trolling would make that reality disappear, it's really scary to think of someone like Trump or Cruz as the de facto "leader of the free world".
kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
March 03 2016 16:00 GMT
#62797
A clip of Reagan and Bush in 1980 on illegal immigration:

"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -- Stephen Colbert
Hexe
Profile Joined August 2014
United States332 Posts
March 03 2016 16:01 GMT
#62798
On March 04 2016 01:00 kwizach wrote:
A clip of Reagan and Bush in 1980 on illegal immigration:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBWUOOzuWIY

different times, and it wasnt 20+ million
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
March 03 2016 16:02 GMT
#62799
On March 04 2016 01:00 kwizach wrote:
A clip of Reagan and Bush in 1980 on illegal immigration:

+ Show Spoiler [Spoilered video link for brevity] +

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBWUOOzuWIY



I didn't realize before how much I needed to hear that kind of rhetoric.
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-03 16:07:40
March 03 2016 16:03 GMT
#62800
gop is home to both the pro-immigration business group and the anti-immigration murica group. although the former really is limited to a particular industry.

that business group probably exercised dominating influence until the nativist sentiments was too much and had to be given voice.


keep in mind reagan was entirely bought and paid for on these regulatory things. he said trees polluted more than cars, we need strip mine coal and so on. it was probably easy to manipulate him rather than corruption.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
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