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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On March 04 2016 02:58 Mohdoo wrote: Anyone else expecting Romney to actually have the opposite effect and solidify Trump going into the debate and the upcoming states? it might have some effect but mainly it is a signal for more active attack on trump by gop. they really need a better candidate though. cruz is even worse than trump for many republicans | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On March 04 2016 02:58 Mohdoo wrote: Anyone else expecting Romney to actually have the opposite effect and solidify Trump going into the debate and the upcoming states? The +35%-40% that is voting for Trump isn’t going to change, but the people who are concerned with the party as a whole might. Anyone who is thinking long term sees Trump as a disaster, even worse that losing the white house. | ||
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xDaunt
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jalstar
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KwarK
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On March 04 2016 02:37 DickMcFanny wrote: US backed nuclear proliferation in the Middle East? You missed the word "non" in that sentence. The Iran deal shuts down Iranian enrichment. | ||
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ErectedZenith
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On March 04 2016 03:04 Plansix wrote: The +35%-40% that is voting for Trump isn’t going to change, but the people who are concerned with the party as a whole might. Anyone who is thinking long term sees Trump as a disaster, even worse that losing the white house. Long-term speaking Trump might be bad but he is the best Republican candidate to go up against Hillary or Sanders. | ||
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oneofthem
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farvacola
United States18869 Posts
On March 04 2016 03:01 Mohdoo wrote: They aren't the only ones. All my fellow youngin democrats are celebrating Bernie winning the general election over Trump because he says mean things. Your attitude towards "fellow youngin democrats" says more about the kinds of people you know/interact with than it does the class itself. Granted, "Bernie Bros" tend to be of a certain age ndn of a certainly level of political sophistication, but pretty much every single Bernie supporter I know, GH notwithstanding, is really quite honest about Sanders' narrow chances of victory. Furthermore, once you discount the garbage that comes out of reddit shithole country/whatever GH says, the folks actually organizing for Bernie will almost certainly vote for Hillary come the general election. I realize this anti-Bernie, pro-Hillary "holier than thou" schtick is made all too easy by the very accessible face of a demographic that speaks far louder than it actually figures into the groundwork equation of getting out the vote, but you're doing just as little for Democratic consensus as the annoyingly naive "Bernie Bros." I say this after just having played a minor role in organizing Bernie's rally at MSU yesterday, and having spoken to some of his flesh and blood supporters, there's far more reason and pragmatism informing their political choices than folks like you or oneofthem would have anyone believe. Folks like Strongwind and Seuss do their best, bless their hearts, but y'all focus on fuckin GH and reddit lol. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On March 04 2016 02:45 oneofthem wrote: http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2016/02/26/468298576/economists-on-candidates-proposals-mostly-bad would be nice to see the full answers When I run for president, I pledge that my economic proposals will get good ratings from economists! That's one of my goals at least. | ||
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kwizach
3658 Posts
On March 04 2016 03:21 farvacola wrote: Your attitude towards "fellow youngin democrats" says more about the kinds of people you know/interact with than it does the class itself. Granted, "Bernie Bros" tend to be of a certain age n of a certainly level of political sophistication, but pretty much every single Bernie supporter I know, GH notwithstanding, is really quite honest about Sanders' narrow chances of victory. Furthermore, once you discount the garbage that comes out of reddit shithole country/whatever GH says, the folks actually organizing for Bernie will almost certainly vote for Hillary come the general election. I realize this anti-Bernie, pro-Hillary "holier than thou" schtick is made all too easy by the very accessible face of a demographic that speaks far louder than it actually figures into the groundwork equation of getting out the vote, but you're doing just as little for Democratic consensus as the annoyingly naive "Bernie Bros." I say this after just having played a minor role in organizing Bernie's rally at MSU yesterday, and having spoken to some of his flesh and blood supporters, there's far more reason and pragmatism informing their political choices than folks like you or oneofthem would have anyone believe. Folks like Strongwind and Seuss do their best, bless their hearts, but y'all focus on fuckin GH and reddit lol. Honestly, I'm happy Sanders has been getting the traction he's been getting. Being able to have a real conversation about many of the issues he's been defending has been long overdue, and it has benefited both the Democratic party and the U.S. as a whole. I've exhibited some frustration towards the Sanders movement on these forums because of posters like GH who actually spend more time bashing Hillary dishonestly than promoting Sanders, but I'm fully aware that the vast majority of Sanders supporters are not like that. I'd love to see Sanders join ranks with Clinton, campaign with/for her, and stay active in the future. I would like him to end his run by March 16th at the latest, however, because after that he's only going to be hurting the Democrats' chances in the general election. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
i make all of my comments from a basic consequentialist perspective at hte policy level, but preserve all the levinas primacy of ethics in the exercise of your own will. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On March 04 2016 03:21 farvacola wrote: Your attitude towards "fellow youngin democrats" says more about the kinds of people you know/interact with than it does the class itself. Granted, "Bernie Bros" tend to be of a certain age n of a certainly level of political sophistication, but pretty much every single Bernie supporter I know, GH notwithstanding, is really quite honest about Sanders' narrow chances of victory. Furthermore, once you discount the garbage that comes out of reddit shithole country/whatever GH says, the folks actually organizing for Bernie will almost certainly vote for Hillary come the general election. I realize this anti-Bernie, pro-Hillary "holier than thou" schtick is made all too easy by the very accessible face of a demographic that speaks far louder than it actually figures into the groundwork equation of getting out the vote, but you're doing just as little for Democratic consensus as the annoyingly naive "Bernie Bros." I say this after just having played a minor role in organizing Bernie's rally at MSU yesterday, and having spoken to some of his flesh and blood supporters, there's far more reason and pragmatism informing their political choices than folks like you or oneofthem would have anyone believe. Folks like Strongwind and Seuss do their best, bless their hearts, but y'all focus on fuckin GH and reddit lol. Of the Bernie bros I know, I would say half are still in the "Bernie or nothing" boat. For whatever its worth, to get a feel for my demographic, I am from a very affluent Oregon community, with a BS and MS, now working as an engineer. Oregon + education + STEM is probably a big reason for the high number of Bernie bros on my facebook. I will be surprised if Bernie wins Oregon by less than 90% lol. Perhaps it's just that my state is so insanely liberal (Portland area no less) that I have a very skewed perspective. | ||
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Frudgey
Canada3367 Posts
On March 04 2016 03:28 kwizach wrote: Honestly, I'm happy Sanders has been getting the traction he's been getting. Being able to have a real conversation about many of the issues he's been defending has been long overdue, and it has benefited both the Democratic party and the U.S. as a whole. I've exhibited some frustration towards the Sanders movement on these forums because of posters like GH who actually spend more time bashing Hillary dishonestly than promoting Sanders, but I'm fully aware that the vast majority of Sanders supporters are not like that. I'd love to see Sanders join ranks with Clinton, campaign with/for her, and stay active in the future. I would like him to end his run by March 16th at the latest, however, because after that he's only going to be hurting the Democrats' chances in the general election. What do you think the chances are of Sanders joining ranks with Clinton? I think that would be a good thing, I just don't know if that's a plausible outcome. Didn't Sanders say he was staying in the race until all of the states have voted? That's after March 16th no? (Doing a Google search leads me to believe so, but I don't know enough about US politics to say for certain.) So I guess to answer my own question it really seems that Sanders is going to be in it until the bitter end, so him giving support to Clinton seems really unlikely. I think at the very least, at least from my understanding, by having Sanders in the race he's been able to pull Hillary a little further left than if he never ran for president at all. I don't think Sanders will win the nominee, but it's been cool to see him run regardless. | ||
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farvacola
United States18869 Posts
On March 04 2016 03:34 Mohdoo wrote: Of the Bernie bros I know, I would say half are still in the "Bernie or nothing" boat. For whatever its worth, to get a feel for my demographic, I am from a very affluent Oregon community, with a BS and MS, now working as an engineer. Oregon + education + STEM is probably a big reason for the high number of Bernie bros on my facebook. I will be surprised if Bernie wins Oregon by less than 90% lol. Perhaps it's just that my state is so insanely liberal (Portland area no less) that I have a very skewed perspective. Having lived on the outskirts of Seattle for a couple years, I hear ya. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On March 04 2016 03:38 Frudgey wrote: What do you think the chances are of Sanders joining ranks with Clinton? I think that would be a good thing, I just don't know if that's a plausible outcome. Didn't Sanders say he was staying in the race until all of the states have voted? That's after March 16th no? (Doing a Google search leads me to believe so, but I don't know enough about US politics to say for certain.) So I guess to answer my own question it really seems that Sanders is going to be in it until the bitter end, so him giving support to Clinton seems really unlikely. I think at the very least, at least from my understanding, by having Sanders in the race he's been able to pull Hillary a little further left than if he never ran for president at all. I don't think Sanders will win the nominee, but it's been cool to see him run regardless. The last primaries are in early June. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On March 04 2016 03:38 Frudgey wrote: What do you think the chances are of Sanders joining ranks with Clinton? I think that would be a good thing, I just don't know if that's a plausible outcome. Didn't Sanders say he was staying in the race until all of the states have voted? That's after March 16th no? (Doing a Google search leads me to believe so, but I don't know enough about US politics to say for certain.) So I guess to answer my own question it really seems that Sanders is going to be in it until the bitter end, so him giving support to Clinton seems really unlikely. I think at the very least, at least from my understanding, by having Sanders in the race he's been able to pull Hillary a little further left than if he never ran for president at all. I don't think Sanders will win the nominee, but it's been cool to see him run regardless. this is precisely the problem taht should be obvious at first glance. he's a firm true believer, which entails a very us against them mentality with respect to perceived evil doers. it doesn't matter if he eventually endorses hillary. his followers already see her as tainted by the Enemy and are basically playing the role of hobbits. so a hillary victory to these people is the equivalent of trump because at least trump didn't give a talk at goldman. | ||
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Plansix
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