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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-03 18:49:49
March 03 2016 18:49 GMT
#62841
On March 04 2016 03:47 ticklishmusic wrote:
If anything I thought STEM or econ/biz/math people would see Sanders has unworkable proposals.

I could see econ majors poking holds in it, but STEM is a broad section of fields and they are just as prone to believing stupid shit as anyone else.
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
March 03 2016 18:50 GMT
#62842
On March 04 2016 03:47 ticklishmusic wrote:
If anything I thought STEM or econ/biz/math people would see Sanders has unworkable proposals.


STEM can not be lumped with econ and biz. In my 6 years working in academia, I have met 2 republicans. I have never been in groups more uniformly liberal than research. Academia is an extremely collectivist system and I think people in academia see the world as a lot more unified than other people do.
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28911 Posts
March 03 2016 18:51 GMT
#62843
I've felt that while Sanders is out of the running, he's still had a really positive impact on the democratic debate. Personally he's probably the only american politician with a semi-legit presidential chance I've been aligned with policy wise (I mean sure, there's your jill stein or nader), but I also realize that many of his political suggestions never had a real chance at being implemented in the US.

Still, him, and his supporters, have been instrumental in setting the agenda for the democratic debates. For example, I don't see wall street regulation or student debt having been equally important debate topics if Sanders had not ran.
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Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
March 03 2016 18:53 GMT
#62844
On March 04 2016 03:05 xDaunt wrote:
Here's the problem for the Republican Establishment. Trump supporters, and the Republican base at large, already were thinking that the Republican Establishment had betrayed them and were corrupt and actively working against their interests. Now the Republican Establishment (and big money from Wall Street) is going out of its way to politically assassinate their guy. All that is going to do is reinforce their beliefs and convince more people to support Trump. Trump doesn't fit my political leanings particularly well, but I'll be damned if I'm not completely disgusted by what Trump has exposed from the Republican leadership.


Here's a good perspective on Romney's tut tutting of Trump: https://goplifer.com/2016/03/02/why-republican-criticism-of-trump-fails/

Romney’s attack on Trump is impotent because it is not about racism. It’s about manners. For well-mannered Americans from good backgrounds, racism is like Fight Club. Speaking openly about bigotry is a social faux pas. Outrage over Trump’s Klan gaffe is nothing more than tone-policing.

Remember, Mitt Romney is the same guy who whitesplained the opposition he got from the NAACP in 2012 by implying that they just want “free stuff.” Romney is the 47% guy. This year’s establishment moderate, Jeb Bush, repeated the same ‘free stuff’ line in South Carolina last fall. None of the GOP field drew any principled distinction from Trump on his refugee policy, his stupid border wall, or his foreign policy militancy. Sophisticated people cloak their racism in a well-turned phrase. Romney isn’t criticizing Trump for racism. He’s just ridiculing him for using the wrong fork. Good luck with that.

"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-03 18:54:58
March 03 2016 18:54 GMT
#62845
On March 04 2016 03:47 ticklishmusic wrote:
If anything I thought STEM or econ/biz/math people would see Sanders has unworkable proposals.


Biz/Math double degree here, bud
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-03 18:57:12
March 03 2016 18:55 GMT
#62846
On March 04 2016 03:50 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2016 03:47 ticklishmusic wrote:
If anything I thought STEM or econ/biz/math people would see Sanders has unworkable proposals.


STEM can not be lumped with econ and biz. In my 6 years working in academia, I have met 2 republicans. I have never been in groups more uniformly liberal than research. Academia is an extremely collectivist system and I think people in academia see the world as a lot more unified than other people do.


anyone who really has to deal with numbers and evidence for a living i feel should be the sort to take a hard, objective look at proposals for both candidates and decide if they make sense.

On March 04 2016 03:54 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2016 03:47 ticklishmusic wrote:
If anything I thought STEM or econ/biz/math people would see Sanders has unworkable proposals.


Biz/Math double degree here, bud


You support Sanders more on message grounds though, don't you? That's fine. But you can't be looking at his proposals and the funding mechanisms/ economics and say "yeah that works".
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-03 18:59:43
March 03 2016 18:57 GMT
#62847
On March 04 2016 03:51 Liquid`Drone wrote:
I've felt that while Sanders is out of the running, he's still had a really positive impact on the democratic debate. Personally he's probably the only american politician with a semi-legit presidential chance I've been aligned with policy wise (I mean sure, there's your jill stein or nader), but I also realize that many of his political suggestions never had a real chance at being implemented in the US.

Still, him, and his supporters, have been instrumental in setting the agenda for the democratic debates. For example, I don't see wall street regulation or student debt having been equally important debate topics if Sanders had not ran.

hillary already was deeply involved in finance regulation before sanders though. she hired gensler at the start of her campaign organization, proposed a more elaborate regulatory plan than sanders. she also has a plan to reduce college loan debt.

but these things don't make the headlines because it either doesn't address the bloodlust felt by some leftists or not as flashy as 'free college11!'
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-03 19:00:23
March 03 2016 18:58 GMT
#62848
On March 04 2016 03:43 Plansix wrote:
There as a strong "Clinton or nothing camp" in 2008 too. I bet if we traveled back, it is a thing in every election to some level or another.

I mean the result there will show "Bernie or nothing", but I'm not entirely sure if it's a conscious sentiment, and more or less young voters just don't show up to vote without serious passion.
On March 04 2016 03:49 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2016 03:47 ticklishmusic wrote:
If anything I thought STEM or econ/biz/math people would see Sanders has unworkable proposals.

I could see econ majors poking holds in it, but STEM is a broad section of fields and they are just as prone to believing stupid shit as anyone else.

I would say pure sciences, math, computer engineering, and computer sciences lean more left. With traditional engineering leans more libertarian.
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
March 03 2016 18:59 GMT
#62849
On March 04 2016 03:55 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2016 03:50 Mohdoo wrote:
On March 04 2016 03:47 ticklishmusic wrote:
If anything I thought STEM or econ/biz/math people would see Sanders has unworkable proposals.


STEM can not be lumped with econ and biz. In my 6 years working in academia, I have met 2 republicans. I have never been in groups more uniformly liberal than research. Academia is an extremely collectivist system and I think people in academia see the world as a lot more unified than other people do.


anyone who really has to deal with numbers and evidence for a living i feel should be the sort to take a hard, objective look at proposals for both candidates and decide if they make sense.

Show nested quote +
On March 04 2016 03:54 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On March 04 2016 03:47 ticklishmusic wrote:
If anything I thought STEM or econ/biz/math people would see Sanders has unworkable proposals.


Biz/Math double degree here, bud


You support Sanders more on message grounds though, don't you? That's fine. But you can't be looking at his proposals and the funding mechanisms/ economics and say "yeah that works".


Only 1 of my research buddies is insane about Bernie. The others are mainly people who studied music or other some other similarly idealistic subject.
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
March 03 2016 18:59 GMT
#62850
On March 04 2016 02:59 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2016 02:58 Mohdoo wrote:
Anyone else expecting Romney to actually have the opposite effect and solidify Trump going into the debate and the upcoming states?

I think everyone who's paying attention thinks this. The Republican Establishment is completely misreading this election.


In that now literally even their own base hates them ?
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
March 03 2016 19:00 GMT
#62851
Well considering you have big name economists not agreeing on the validity of Bernie's proposals how do you think the average Joe is going to do? Even with a stem and math background.
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 03 2016 19:02 GMT
#62852
On March 04 2016 03:59 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2016 03:55 ticklishmusic wrote:
On March 04 2016 03:50 Mohdoo wrote:
On March 04 2016 03:47 ticklishmusic wrote:
If anything I thought STEM or econ/biz/math people would see Sanders has unworkable proposals.


STEM can not be lumped with econ and biz. In my 6 years working in academia, I have met 2 republicans. I have never been in groups more uniformly liberal than research. Academia is an extremely collectivist system and I think people in academia see the world as a lot more unified than other people do.


anyone who really has to deal with numbers and evidence for a living i feel should be the sort to take a hard, objective look at proposals for both candidates and decide if they make sense.

On March 04 2016 03:54 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On March 04 2016 03:47 ticklishmusic wrote:
If anything I thought STEM or econ/biz/math people would see Sanders has unworkable proposals.


Biz/Math double degree here, bud


You support Sanders more on message grounds though, don't you? That's fine. But you can't be looking at his proposals and the funding mechanisms/ economics and say "yeah that works".


Only 1 of my research buddies is insane about Bernie. The others are mainly people who studied music or other some other similarly idealistic subject.

Funny story, I had a friend who was just super quiet about everything. Super intelligent hardworking dude, but just didn't say a peep about anything. 2012 comes around, he starts wearing Ron Paul t-shirts, and Ron Paul pins on his backpacks, and everything.

It was pretty awesomely hilarious because none of my friends ever expected him to be political. He never really spoke about it unless we asked him, but I just thought it was hilarious.
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Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
March 03 2016 19:03 GMT
#62853
On March 04 2016 03:51 Liquid`Drone wrote:
I've felt that while Sanders is out of the running, he's still had a really positive impact on the democratic debate. Personally he's probably the only american politician with a semi-legit presidential chance I've been aligned with policy wise (I mean sure, there's your jill stein or nader), but I also realize that many of his political suggestions never had a real chance at being implemented in the US.

Still, him, and his supporters, have been instrumental in setting the agenda for the democratic debates. For example, I don't see wall street regulation or student debt having been equally important debate topics if Sanders had not ran.


Correct, but keeping the momentum going in these issues is what really matters. Especially since he is likely to lose the nomination.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-03 19:09:51
March 03 2016 19:04 GMT
#62854
unless my count is wrong, there are like 3 economists in the top 5% of REPEC that have said they support sanders' economic plan. the 170 is mostly filler. a much larger body of more prestigious economists have come out against it.

as a stem major, i think you look at the available evidence out there, read stuff by experts in the field and use that to make a conclusion. if anything, you look at things like "free college" with the same skepticism as "cancer cured!". maybe you make the judgement (hopefully after you've done your objective platform analysis) that the message and other qualities outweigh the negatives and that's fine.

one of my close friends is very pro bernie, which was quite surprising. very smart (one of like 3 people i would let manage a group project) and very cynical. no hard and fast rule about feeling the bern, but as with age groups there have got to be some trends among areas of study/work fields.
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strongwind
Profile Joined July 2007
United States862 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-03 19:43:20
March 03 2016 19:05 GMT
#62855
Today it finally hit me just what the death of print journalism has meant for media coverage in general. I can't believe I haven't realized it until now.

Watching this election I've been constantly struck by the sensationalist news headlines that pollute the airwaves and the internet. Add in the pervasiveness of opinion pieces and blog articles, and what we have now is the fracturing of readership / viewership into increasingly polarized camps. Now people get to hear what they "want" to hear instead of the broad reality of the country at large.

At first I thought this might be due to the consolidation and acquisition of the major news agencies by wealthy individuals and corporate entities. But now I realize this was an effect, not the cause. The cause is that the failure to adequately monetize the transition from print to digital media has led to severe cost-cutting measures, effectively winnowing the field of conscientious journalists that strive hard to achieve journalistic integrity.

I for one am tired of the hyperbole being thrown around. I know my opinions are not always right, and I don't think the opposition is the devil incarnate. I want to know why people think the way they do, because I believe there is almost always a nuanced reason behind it.

I understand objective journalism can never be completely unbiased, but I've always trusted journalists to strive for it no matter what. Now with bloggers posing as true journalists, I question that trust. That can't be good for this country.

edit: great article http://www.brookings.edu/research/essays/2014/bad-news?cid=00900006020080101US0001-2#
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
March 03 2016 19:07 GMT
#62856
On March 04 2016 03:55 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2016 03:50 Mohdoo wrote:
On March 04 2016 03:47 ticklishmusic wrote:
If anything I thought STEM or econ/biz/math people would see Sanders has unworkable proposals.


STEM can not be lumped with econ and biz. In my 6 years working in academia, I have met 2 republicans. I have never been in groups more uniformly liberal than research. Academia is an extremely collectivist system and I think people in academia see the world as a lot more unified than other people do.


anyone who really has to deal with numbers and evidence for a living i feel should be the sort to take a hard, objective look at proposals for both candidates and decide if they make sense.

Show nested quote +
On March 04 2016 03:54 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On March 04 2016 03:47 ticklishmusic wrote:
If anything I thought STEM or econ/biz/math people would see Sanders has unworkable proposals.


Biz/Math double degree here, bud


You support Sanders more on message grounds though, don't you? That's fine. But you can't be looking at his proposals and the funding mechanisms/ economics and say "yeah that works".


More or less, yes. I've been very open about not necessarily agreeing with some of his specific proposals.

But I've watched the disgusting corruption of money in politics - and as I've said many, many times, that corruption is no secret. That corruption isn't going to change unless there's real campaign finance reform.

When it's widely acknowledged that no candidate will get their proposals through the governmental system completely in tact and without concessions, I support the candidate who is walking the walk when it comes to the issue that I feel compromises the general integrity of the system.

It's the same reason I supported Zephyr Teachout when she ran for NY governor last year - she was trying to succeed against a heavily funded opponent with "open-source" funding, for lack of a better term.
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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
March 03 2016 19:09 GMT
#62857
On March 04 2016 03:53 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2016 03:05 xDaunt wrote:
Here's the problem for the Republican Establishment. Trump supporters, and the Republican base at large, already were thinking that the Republican Establishment had betrayed them and were corrupt and actively working against their interests. Now the Republican Establishment (and big money from Wall Street) is going out of its way to politically assassinate their guy. All that is going to do is reinforce their beliefs and convince more people to support Trump. Trump doesn't fit my political leanings particularly well, but I'll be damned if I'm not completely disgusted by what Trump has exposed from the Republican leadership.


Here's a good perspective on Romney's tut tutting of Trump: https://goplifer.com/2016/03/02/why-republican-criticism-of-trump-fails/

Show nested quote +
Romney’s attack on Trump is impotent because it is not about racism. It’s about manners. For well-mannered Americans from good backgrounds, racism is like Fight Club. Speaking openly about bigotry is a social faux pas. Outrage over Trump’s Klan gaffe is nothing more than tone-policing.

Remember, Mitt Romney is the same guy who whitesplained the opposition he got from the NAACP in 2012 by implying that they just want “free stuff.” Romney is the 47% guy. This year’s establishment moderate, Jeb Bush, repeated the same ‘free stuff’ line in South Carolina last fall. None of the GOP field drew any principled distinction from Trump on his refugee policy, his stupid border wall, or his foreign policy militancy. Sophisticated people cloak their racism in a well-turned phrase. Romney isn’t criticizing Trump for racism. He’s just ridiculing him for using the wrong fork. Good luck with that.


That article is horseshit. It's the same horseshit that I see from every dishonest liberal who tries to articulate what actually motivates conservative voters.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-03 19:12:05
March 03 2016 19:09 GMT
#62858
On March 04 2016 04:07 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2016 03:55 ticklishmusic wrote:
On March 04 2016 03:50 Mohdoo wrote:
On March 04 2016 03:47 ticklishmusic wrote:
If anything I thought STEM or econ/biz/math people would see Sanders has unworkable proposals.


STEM can not be lumped with econ and biz. In my 6 years working in academia, I have met 2 republicans. I have never been in groups more uniformly liberal than research. Academia is an extremely collectivist system and I think people in academia see the world as a lot more unified than other people do.


anyone who really has to deal with numbers and evidence for a living i feel should be the sort to take a hard, objective look at proposals for both candidates and decide if they make sense.

On March 04 2016 03:54 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On March 04 2016 03:47 ticklishmusic wrote:
If anything I thought STEM or econ/biz/math people would see Sanders has unworkable proposals.


Biz/Math double degree here, bud


You support Sanders more on message grounds though, don't you? That's fine. But you can't be looking at his proposals and the funding mechanisms/ economics and say "yeah that works".


More or less, yes. I've been very open about not necessarily agreeing with some of his specific proposals.

But I've watched the disgusting corruption of money in politics - and as I've said many, many times, that corruption is no secret. That corruption isn't going to change unless there's real campaign finance reform.

When it's widely acknowledged that no candidate will get their proposals through the governmental system completely in tact and without concessions, I support the candidate who is walking the walk when it comes to the issue that I feel compromises the general integrity of the system.

It's the same reason I supported Zephyr Teachout when she ran for NY governor last year - she was trying to succeed against a heavily funded opponent with "open-source" funding, for lack of a better term.

I mean, I think a lot of people agree with this. That's why Sanders and Trump have been the two stand out candidates this primary cycle.
On March 04 2016 04:09 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2016 03:53 Seuss wrote:
On March 04 2016 03:05 xDaunt wrote:
Here's the problem for the Republican Establishment. Trump supporters, and the Republican base at large, already were thinking that the Republican Establishment had betrayed them and were corrupt and actively working against their interests. Now the Republican Establishment (and big money from Wall Street) is going out of its way to politically assassinate their guy. All that is going to do is reinforce their beliefs and convince more people to support Trump. Trump doesn't fit my political leanings particularly well, but I'll be damned if I'm not completely disgusted by what Trump has exposed from the Republican leadership.


Here's a good perspective on Romney's tut tutting of Trump: https://goplifer.com/2016/03/02/why-republican-criticism-of-trump-fails/

Romney’s attack on Trump is impotent because it is not about racism. It’s about manners. For well-mannered Americans from good backgrounds, racism is like Fight Club. Speaking openly about bigotry is a social faux pas. Outrage over Trump’s Klan gaffe is nothing more than tone-policing.

Remember, Mitt Romney is the same guy who whitesplained the opposition he got from the NAACP in 2012 by implying that they just want “free stuff.” Romney is the 47% guy. This year’s establishment moderate, Jeb Bush, repeated the same ‘free stuff’ line in South Carolina last fall. None of the GOP field drew any principled distinction from Trump on his refugee policy, his stupid border wall, or his foreign policy militancy. Sophisticated people cloak their racism in a well-turned phrase. Romney isn’t criticizing Trump for racism. He’s just ridiculing him for using the wrong fork. Good luck with that.


That article is horseshit. It's the same horseshit that I see from every dishonest liberal who tries to articulate what actually motivates conservative voters.

I mean, you have to admit. Racists and social misfits just tend to be more conservative, it's an unfortunate side effect of having conservative view points. The problem is the mass media confusing this with the idea that conservative ideology is racist.
liftlift > tsm
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 03 2016 19:10 GMT
#62859
On March 04 2016 04:05 strongwind wrote:
Today it finally hit me just what the death of print journalism has meant for media coverage in general. I can't believe I haven't realized it until now.

Watching this election I've been constantly struck by the sensationalist news headlines that pollute the airwaves and the internet. Add in the pervasiveness of opinion pieces and blog articles, and what we have now is the fracturing of readership / viewership into increasingly polarized camps. Now people get to hear what they "want" to hear instead of the broad reality of the country at large.

At first I thought this might be due to the consolidation and acquisition of the major news agencies by wealthy individuals and corporate entities. But now I realize this was an effect, not the cause. The cause is that the failure to adequately monetize the transition from print to digital media has led to severe cost-cutting measures, effectively winnowing the field of conscientious journalists that strive hard to achieve journalistic integrity.

I for one am tired of the hyperbole being thrown around. I know my opinions are not always right, and I don't think the opposition is the devil incarnate. I want to know why people think the way they do, because I believe there is almost always a nuanced reason behind it.

I understand objective journalism can never be completely unbiased, but I've always trusted journalists to strive for it no matter what. Now with bloggers posing as true journalists, I question that trust. That can't be good for this country.

Investigative journalism is almost completely dead. Its about head lines and clicks through rates
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
March 03 2016 19:12 GMT
#62860
On March 04 2016 04:09 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2016 04:07 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On March 04 2016 03:55 ticklishmusic wrote:
On March 04 2016 03:50 Mohdoo wrote:
On March 04 2016 03:47 ticklishmusic wrote:
If anything I thought STEM or econ/biz/math people would see Sanders has unworkable proposals.


STEM can not be lumped with econ and biz. In my 6 years working in academia, I have met 2 republicans. I have never been in groups more uniformly liberal than research. Academia is an extremely collectivist system and I think people in academia see the world as a lot more unified than other people do.


anyone who really has to deal with numbers and evidence for a living i feel should be the sort to take a hard, objective look at proposals for both candidates and decide if they make sense.

On March 04 2016 03:54 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On March 04 2016 03:47 ticklishmusic wrote:
If anything I thought STEM or econ/biz/math people would see Sanders has unworkable proposals.


Biz/Math double degree here, bud


You support Sanders more on message grounds though, don't you? That's fine. But you can't be looking at his proposals and the funding mechanisms/ economics and say "yeah that works".


More or less, yes. I've been very open about not necessarily agreeing with some of his specific proposals.

But I've watched the disgusting corruption of money in politics - and as I've said many, many times, that corruption is no secret. That corruption isn't going to change unless there's real campaign finance reform.

When it's widely acknowledged that no candidate will get their proposals through the governmental system completely in tact and without concessions, I support the candidate who is walking the walk when it comes to the issue that I feel compromises the general integrity of the system.

It's the same reason I supported Zephyr Teachout when she ran for NY governor last year - she was trying to succeed against a heavily funded opponent with "open-source" funding, for lack of a better term.

I mean, I think a lot of people agree with this. That's why Sanders and Trump have been the two stand out candidates this primary cycle.


Well, it's a little more nuanced than that I think. I would say the Trump group is more homogeneous, but Bernie has supporters like soniv who are very well informed and have made a very well informed decision. Then you have... the others.
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