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On March 04 2016 00:31 farvacola wrote: Anyone who lauds anything about Russia clearly lives in another world lol. I mean, what screams successful nation more than a 38 year old Uzbek woman parading around the severed head of her 4 year old daughter in said nation's capital?
When the nanny, not mother, says Allah made me do it, we generally discuss the ongoing threats from Islamic terrorism. If people here are willing to shoot up a building in the same name, I'd say it can happen here and maybe we catch the lady sooner in her parade who knows.
On March 04 2016 01:00 kwizach wrote: A clip of Reagan and Bush in 1980 on illegal immigration:
different times, and it wasnt 20+ million
Its 11 million now. It was 3 million then. The reason it is 11 million is because we have been kicking the can down the road since Reagan provided legal status to 3 million. If only we had fixed the problem and allowed for more legal immigration back then. But we didn't, so now we need to do the same thing again and fix the problem this time.
On March 03 2016 18:57 Atreides wrote: I know exactly one "republican" who will vote Hillary over trump. She also voted Obama x2 so not sure if counts.
I know many of my friends who insist they will not vote trump but will also not vote Hillary. I'm curious how this turns out.
I assume pretty much everyone agrees by this point trump is only repub who could win general? I just can't see cruz winning. And it's a fact vetted by last two elections that an "establishment" candidate can't win. Most numbers seem to support this.
i was talking about republicans tuned in to the foreign policy circle
On March 04 2016 00:31 farvacola wrote: Anyone who lauds anything about Russia clearly lives in another world lol. I mean, what screams successful nation more than a 38 year old Uzbek woman parading around the severed head of her 4 year old daughter in said nation's capital?
When the nanny, not mother, says Allah made me do it, we generally discuss the ongoing threats from Islamic terrorism. If people here are willing to shoot up a building in the same name, I'd say it can happen here and maybe we catch the lady sooner in her parade who knows.
She was also schizophrenic and on drugs so I think this is a case of 'crazy person with religious delusions' instead of planned political terrorism.
On March 04 2016 00:31 farvacola wrote: Anyone who lauds anything about Russia clearly lives in another world lol. I mean, what screams successful nation more than a 38 year old Uzbek woman parading around the severed head of her 4 year old daughter in said nation's capital?
When the nanny, not mother, says Allah made me do it, we generally discuss the ongoing threats from Islamic terrorism. If people here are willing to shoot up a building in the same name, I'd say it can happen here and maybe we catch the lady sooner in her parade who knows.
She was also schizophrenic and on drugs so I think this is a case of 'crazy person with religious delusions' instead of planned political terrorism.
Allah can sometimes just be the Son of Sam’s dog. Not everything is terrorism. When some southern woman kills her kids in the tub and says god told her to do it, we don’t assume her local church promoted it.
On March 03 2016 21:10 Atreides wrote: It's just a matter of worldview man, people have different ones. If your current worldview is that we are more or less on the right track and just need to keep making progress you will NEVER understand someone who thinks we are headed into the abyss. Because. Gasp. Those are opposite places for some people.
What metric do you think shows that we're heading into the abyss.
I'll spot you income inequality and CO2 emissions. What else, in your opinion, is heading in a negative direction?
meh, obviously the notion that Russia is doing great or that the west should mimic them politically is absurd, but I don't see how one absolutely crazy woman decapitating a child is really proof of anything.. We've had equally fucked up things happening in Norway, and I remember some years ago some canadian decapitated some guy on a bus.. Unless this is something that frequently happens then these incidents are just isolated incidents.
If anything, the US certainly doesn't have reason to criticize other countries based on their serial killers or fucked up madmen.
On March 04 2016 00:31 farvacola wrote: Anyone who lauds anything about Russia clearly lives in another world lol. I mean, what screams successful nation more than a 38 year old Uzbek woman parading around the severed head of her 4 year old daughter in said nation's capital?
When the nanny, not mother, says Allah made me do it, we generally discuss the ongoing threats from Islamic terrorism. If people here are willing to shoot up a building in the same name, I'd say it can happen here and maybe we catch the lady sooner in her parade who knows.
She was also schizophrenic and on drugs so I think this is a case of 'crazy person with religious delusions' instead of planned political terrorism.
Allah can sometimes just be the Son of Sam’s dog. Not everything is terrorism. When some southern woman kills her kids in the tub and says god told her to do it, we don’t assume her local church promoted it.
That's because we don't have irrefutable evidence that the catholic church tells hundreds of millions of their cultists to drown children in bathtubs?
On March 03 2016 21:10 Atreides wrote: It's just a matter of worldview man, people have different ones. If your current worldview is that we are more or less on the right track and just need to keep making progress you will NEVER understand someone who thinks we are headed into the abyss. Because. Gasp. Those are opposite places for some people.
What metric do you think shows that we're heading into the abyss.
I'll spot you income inequality and CO2 emissions. What else, in your opinion, is heading in a negative direction?
US backed nuclear proliferation in the Middle East?
On March 04 2016 00:31 farvacola wrote: Anyone who lauds anything about Russia clearly lives in another world lol. I mean, what screams successful nation more than a 38 year old Uzbek woman parading around the severed head of her 4 year old daughter in said nation's capital?
When the nanny, not mother, says Allah made me do it, we generally discuss the ongoing threats from Islamic terrorism. If people here are willing to shoot up a building in the same name, I'd say it can happen here and maybe we catch the lady sooner in her parade who knows.
She was also schizophrenic and on drugs so I think this is a case of 'crazy person with religious delusions' instead of planned political terrorism.
Allah can sometimes just be the Son of Sam’s dog. Not everything is terrorism. When some southern woman kills her kids in the tub and says god told her to do it, we don’t assume her local church promoted it.
That's because we don't have irrefutable evidence that the catholic church tells hundreds of millions of their cultists to drown children in bathtubs?
I don't know what you're trying to imply but there is no 'Islamic church'
On March 04 2016 00:31 farvacola wrote: Anyone who lauds anything about Russia clearly lives in another world lol. I mean, what screams successful nation more than a 38 year old Uzbek woman parading around the severed head of her 4 year old daughter in said nation's capital?
When the nanny, not mother, says Allah made me do it, we generally discuss the ongoing threats from Islamic terrorism. If people here are willing to shoot up a building in the same name, I'd say it can happen here and maybe we catch the lady sooner in her parade who knows.
She was also schizophrenic and on drugs so I think this is a case of 'crazy person with religious delusions' instead of planned political terrorism.
Allah can sometimes just be the Son of Sam’s dog. Not everything is terrorism. When some southern woman kills her kids in the tub and says god told her to do it, we don’t assume her local church promoted it.
That's because we don't have irrefutable evidence that the catholic church tells hundreds of millions of their cultists to drown children in bathtubs?
Christians have totally advocated for murder at some points in history. Not currently, but they make up for that in weird cults and covering for pedophiles over decades.
On March 04 2016 00:31 farvacola wrote: Anyone who lauds anything about Russia clearly lives in another world lol. I mean, what screams successful nation more than a 38 year old Uzbek woman parading around the severed head of her 4 year old daughter in said nation's capital?
When the nanny, not mother, says Allah made me do it, we generally discuss the ongoing threats from Islamic terrorism. If people here are willing to shoot up a building in the same name, I'd say it can happen here and maybe we catch the lady sooner in her parade who knows.
She was also schizophrenic and on drugs so I think this is a case of 'crazy person with religious delusions' instead of planned political terrorism.
Allah can sometimes just be the Son of Sam’s dog. Not everything is terrorism. When some southern woman kills her kids in the tub and says god told her to do it, we don’t assume her local church promoted it.
That's because we don't have irrefutable evidence that the catholic church tells hundreds of millions of their cultists to drown children in bathtubs?
I don't know what you're trying to imply but there is no 'Islamic church'
Don't confuse the issue with facts. Over generalization is what started this whole discussion anyways.
On March 03 2016 21:10 Atreides wrote: It's just a matter of worldview man, people have different ones. If your current worldview is that we are more or less on the right track and just need to keep making progress you will NEVER understand someone who thinks we are headed into the abyss. Because. Gasp. Those are opposite places for some people.
What metric do you think shows that we're heading into the abyss.
I'll spot you income inequality and CO2 emissions. What else, in your opinion, is heading in a negative direction?
US backed nuclear proliferation in the Middle East?
Signing treaties that prohibit the development of nuclear weapons is proliferation? How is life in opposite land?
On March 03 2016 21:15 GreenHorizons wrote: Is it just me or wouldn't it be pretty easy to talk everyone (the people dissatisfied with their potential nominee) but Hillary into trying to run 4 people all the way through the general?
Trump, X, Hillary and Bernie. I'd be curious to at least see it polled
There is now possibly a real danger of the Republican party splitting (it's been cracking since the 90s). I don't see why the Democrats would do the same thing though - it would only disadvantage them. Clinton not being the blue nominee (either losing to Bernie or a federal indictment or something) would be the best setup for a 3 way election that results in an actual realignment rather than just Republican suicide.
On March 03 2016 20:32 Liquid`Drone wrote: anecdotal evidence is anecdotal, not evidence. How about the pdf posted by kwizach a couple pages back? 35%of non-trump republicans answer that they will 'definitely not support him'. How about this link, a compilation of many elaborate answers for why different life-long republicans will vote for Hillary over Trump? How about Mitt Romney's top strategist stating that Hillary will be a better president than Trump?
Like, I can definitely accept that Trump is galvanizing hordes of previous non-voters, and yes, he does have the support of nearly half of self-identifying republicans. But you also have to realize that he is an incredibly polarizing figure - even within the republican party, and that yes, significant numbers of staple republican voters actually will defect if he is given the nomination.
The establishment is doing its best to commit suicide. Trump has the whole general election to win over his detractors. People are in a base sense exhausted by Clintons (and Bushes) and if the enthusiasm isn't there it's harder to stir it up than with Trump.
On March 03 2016 21:10 Atreides wrote: It's just a matter of worldview man, people have different ones. If your current worldview is that we are more or less on the right track and just need to keep making progress you will NEVER understand someone who thinks we are headed into the abyss. Because. Gasp. Those are opposite places for some people.
What metric do you think shows that we're heading into the abyss.
I'll spot you income inequality and CO2 emissions. What else, in your opinion, is heading in a negative direction?
US backed nuclear proliferation in the Middle East?
Signing treaties that prohibit the development of nuclear weapons is proliferation? How is life in opposite land?
The world of DickMcFanny where non-existent Islamic world churches order hundreds of millions of Muslims around and treaties that ensure Iran reduces nuclear capabilities increase Iran's nuclear capabilities. I am beginning to understand why Donald Trump is leading the race
On March 04 2016 02:58 Mohdoo wrote: Anyone else expecting Romney to actually have the opposite effect and solidify Trump going into the debate and the upcoming states?
I think everyone who's paying attention thinks this. The Republican Establishment is completely misreading this election.
On March 04 2016 02:58 Mohdoo wrote: Anyone else expecting Romney to actually have the opposite effect and solidify Trump going into the debate and the upcoming states?
Just like every other single person who has come out "against" Trump so far in the campaign? People become quite obstinate when someone tries to tell them who not to support.
On March 04 2016 02:58 Mohdoo wrote: Anyone else expecting Romney to actually have the opposite effect and solidify Trump going into the debate and the upcoming states?
I think everyone who's paying attention thinks this. The Republican Establishment is completely misreading this election.
They aren't the only ones. All my fellow youngin democrats are celebrating Bernie winning the general election over Trump because he says mean things.
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People become quite obstinate when someone tries to tell them who not to support.
