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Hexe
United States332 Posts
On February 22 2016 03:27 Zealos wrote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law you sit among the dregs of the internet Hey now I heard on NPR a couple of guys comparing Hitler and Trump for an entire segment | ||
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trulojucreathrma.com
United States327 Posts
On February 22 2016 03:27 Zealos wrote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law you sit among the dregs of the internet According to this page you are flirting with fallacy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
On February 22 2016 03:27 Zealos wrote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law you sit among the dregs of the internet Hitler - Trump comparisons, even if they are inflamatory, don't seem entirely unfair if we are only talking about pre-war comparisons. | ||
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puerk
Germany855 Posts
i guess i am saying hitler had good reasons to be the genocidal maniac... trump is just a spoiled brat without connection to reality | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On February 22 2016 03:27 Zealos wrote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law you sit among the dregs of the internet I think his point was (at least I hope so) that hate/racist/etc speech is often reasonably popular in democracies (which is a fact), not that Trump is literally Hitler | ||
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JW_DTLA
242 Posts
On February 22 2016 03:42 On_Slaught wrote: Hitler - Trump comparisons, even if they are inflamatory, don't seem entirely unfair if we are only talking about pre-war comparisons. The real comparison is to Silvio Berlusconi. Big media magnate billionaire (real estate / reality show character). Both flirt with younger women in only marginally acceptable ways. Both make endless salesmanlike exaggerations and freely narrate right over their previous statements. Same resentful white / Italian national male circle of supporters. Both offer strident nationalism with no plausible plan to help the country. Same dubious personal connections to religion but with a big wad of contempt for non-nationals / Muslims. And the big one, the same macho man image of older male virility in spite of age, thus offering their core supporters something to project their weaknesses on. | ||
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trulojucreathrma.com
United States327 Posts
On February 22 2016 04:00 OtherWorld wrote: I think his point was (at least I hope so) that hate/racist/etc speech is often reasonably popular in democracies (which is a fact), not that Trump is literally Hitler Goodwin's law state that Hitler or Nazi's have to be mentioned. You should not avoid Hitler because of Goodwin's law. He doesn't understand Goodwin's law. He thinks that when you mention Hitler in a discussion, you 'are among the dregs of the internet'. It is not about an unfair comparison to Hitler/Nazis. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On February 22 2016 02:45 OtherWorld wrote: I mean yes, if you consider that a party choosing its presidential candidate should be a example of democracy, what we're currently seeing is a farce. Now look at it another way : a party is a party. I don't believe (correct me if I'm wrong 'cuz obviously I'm no American) that they have any legal obligation of choosing their candidate by making people vote ; in fact, I think it's fair to assume that many of each party's establishment would be happy to choose the candidates between themselves instead of having a bloodshed that weakens everyone, financially as well as politically. In fact, I think it's also fair to say that the only reason we see these primaries happening is that both parties want to occupy the media space as soon as possible, as well as giving a (false) impression of being open to popular opinion. Thus it is only normal that a primary is a farce, and that it is by essence unfair towards the non-establishment candidate(s). The issue is that the Republican and Democratic parties aren't really parties, they are more like coalitions of parties. States have their own local parties with their own set of priorities, but they come together to have a large entity representing them in the national government. In that sense, the administration of the coalition unilaterally nominating someone without the consent of its member parties is more problematic than if someone made their own party with their own rules. Legally they can do whatever they want, but it's not just a simple party like it is in countries with more than two viable parties. | ||
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PinheadXXXXXX
United States897 Posts
On February 22 2016 02:57 GreenHorizons wrote: The Republican side is actually far more democratic but they have more winner take all to help balance out the control, problem is, their strat for taking out the people's candidates didn't account for a Trump. One of the many things he's exploiting within the R nomination process is the thirst for power overwhelming reason so that he is only faring so well because of how inept they are to adjusting to the dynamic he brought to the race (and them having a much different plan for the general). Apparently the Republicans, despite not having superdelegates per se, do have the ability to fudge the delegate allocation in one way or another to break a tie towards a party favorite. So it's not actually more democratic, it's just less overtly party-preference centric. | ||
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Deathstar
9150 Posts
Republican presidential candidate Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) said Sunday that he has "no reason to believe" former Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney will endorse him. The Huffington Post reported Sunday, citing two unnamed Republican officials, that Romney would endorse the Florida senator since former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush dropped out. The report stated that Romney's respect for Bush made him hesitate from making his endorsement. “Well, that report is false. I have no reason to believe that he's anywhere near endorsing anyone," Rubio said on CNN's "State of the Union." "We would love to have his endorsement, but there's nothing forthcoming. I don't know where those reports are coming from, but they're false.” http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/rubio-romney-endorsement-rumors | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
Cash on Hand: Hillary: $33M Bernie: $14M Spent in NV: Hillary: $21M Bernie: $35M both sides raising cash like mad by all accounts. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
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zeo
Serbia6344 Posts
On February 22 2016 03:42 On_Slaught wrote: Hitler - Trump comparisons, even if they are inflamatory, don't seem entirely unfair if we are only talking about pre-war comparisons. Funny how those people that compare Trump to Hitler are usually the ones that play down groups that go on torch-lit marches wearing Waffen-SS symbols while holding pictures of Nazi collaborators. Nothing wrong with those people getting into a countries parliament, but when buzzfeed and facebook click-bait articles say Trump is a Nazi that must be true. Its been hilarious watching Huffington Post's editorial staff having repeated meltdowns these past few weeks though. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On February 22 2016 06:34 zeo wrote: Funny how those people that compare Trump to Hitler are usually the ones that play down groups that go on torch-lit marches wearing Waffen-SS symbols while holding pictures of Nazi collaborators. Nothing wrong with those people getting into a countries parliament, but when buzzfeed and facebook click-bait articles say Trump is a Nazi that must be true. Its been hilarious watching Huffington Post's editorial staff having repeated meltdowns these past few weeks though. I have never seen or heard anyone downplay people who are wearing Waffen-SS stuff while marching through the streets with torches oO If anything I'd say the people who are going to make those comments (Trump = Nazi) are more likely to be on the left side of the spectrum oO I'm not quite sure if the Huffington Post stuff is related to that comment. Maybe the people on the left behave differently where you're from but over here those tend to be the most critical of those things. And the more you go to the right side of things the more people would be okay with it (or downplay it). Just not that extreme of an example. I walk past an antifa poster on my way to get groceries pretty much daily, which basicly has somethign along the lines of "it's always fine to punch a Neo-Nazi" written on it | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On February 22 2016 08:20 Toadesstern wrote: I have never seen or heard anyone downplay people who are wearing Waffen-SS stuff while marching through the streets with torches oO Dunno if that's what zeo is referring to, but it's an occurrence that is more common in a number of Eastern European countries than most would like to admit. Fascism is still an ideology that exists in that part of the world. Real fascism with the same kind of explicit goals as Nazi Germany, not the standard "I disagree with someone strongly so I think he is worse than Hitler" type of fascism. It isn't generally on the news because few people care about cultural developments in East Europe over the past 70 years. | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4463 Posts
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puerk
Germany855 Posts
@iplay.nettles nope enforcing national purity by imposing a ban on all of some impure kind, even those that have up to now been legal citicens and now denying them their rights is pretty much exactly what nazis are about.... as is trump | ||
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GoTuNk!
Chile4591 Posts
On February 22 2016 09:01 puerk wrote: he is talking about how neo nazis are killing russians in the ukraine, the unprovoked unilateral genocide of a whole people.... @iplay.nettles nope enforcing national purity by imposing a ban on all of some impure kind, even those that have up to now been legal citicens and now denying them their rights is pretty much exactly what nazis are about.... as is trump https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/immigration-reform Yeah, that's EXACTLY what it says on his website. That the US should put all brown people on concentration camps and execute them. Nothing with actually enforcing borders and stop inmigrants from abusing welfare. The ability of the left to ignore reality, and instead rely on their ideological narrative has no limits, as I usually point out. (How many Trump haters have actually took 10 minutes to read his 5 bullet basic plan?) | ||
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puerk
Germany855 Posts
you link the page where just one subpage away it is written www.donaldjtrump.com: New York, NY) December 7th, 2015, -- Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on. i never said something about trump wanting to place them in concentration camps, just deny them their rights and ban them it does not really matter if you consider the impurity in your country to be the pesky jews or the pesky muslims that ruin everything and have to be purged.. | ||
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