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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21918 Posts
February 21 2016 13:35 GMT
#59621
Again, I specifically said there is plenty wrong with the caucus system. But that video is a terrible example. It does not try to point out the major flaws of the system or how it can be fixed. Just listen to the guy "omg he wrote something on his hand, this is so bad", "omg he dropped a piece of paper, so bad!" This is throwing everything you see at the wall hoping something sticks.

A mistake was made, the mistake was corrected yes? The fact some people already left is irrelevant to this mistake, there was not a miss count. So long as the delegates were assigned in the end everything is fine.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 21 2016 13:41 GMT
#59622
The San Bernardino County government on Friday night said the FBI told its staff to tamper with the Apple account of Syed Farook, who with his wife, Tashfeen Malik, carried out the December shooting in which 14 people were killed.

The development matters because the change made to the account – a reset of Farook’s iCloud password – made it impossible to see if there was another way to get access to data on the shooter’s iPhone without taking Apple to court.

“The county was working cooperatively with the FBI when it reset the iCloud password at the FBI’s request,” read a post on San Bernardino County’s official Twitter account.

Late on 20 February the FBI said that it “worked with” county officials to reset the iCloud password, as discovery of the locked phone was “a logical next step was to obtain access to iCloud backups for the phone in order to obtain evidence related to the investigation in the days following the attack,” according to the statement from an FBI spokesman.

On 16 February, a federal judge ordered Apple to write and digitally sign software that would make it easier for the US government to guess the 4-digit passcode on Farook’s device – not to be confused with the iCloud password.

Apple contends such a move would violate user trust, the security of its products and a core tenet of its business. The FBI counters that Apple has placed marketing over national security.

But Apple executives say there is a way this legal battle, which will shape digital privacy for years to come, could have been avoided – at least for now.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21918 Posts
February 21 2016 13:44 GMT
#59623
On February 21 2016 22:41 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
The San Bernardino County government on Friday night said the FBI told its staff to tamper with the Apple account of Syed Farook, who with his wife, Tashfeen Malik, carried out the December shooting in which 14 people were killed.

The development matters because the change made to the account – a reset of Farook’s iCloud password – made it impossible to see if there was another way to get access to data on the shooter’s iPhone without taking Apple to court.

“The county was working cooperatively with the FBI when it reset the iCloud password at the FBI’s request,” read a post on San Bernardino County’s official Twitter account.

Late on 20 February the FBI said that it “worked with” county officials to reset the iCloud password, as discovery of the locked phone was “a logical next step was to obtain access to iCloud backups for the phone in order to obtain evidence related to the investigation in the days following the attack,” according to the statement from an FBI spokesman.

On 16 February, a federal judge ordered Apple to write and digitally sign software that would make it easier for the US government to guess the 4-digit passcode on Farook’s device – not to be confused with the iCloud password.

Apple contends such a move would violate user trust, the security of its products and a core tenet of its business. The FBI counters that Apple has placed marketing over national security.

But Apple executives say there is a way this legal battle, which will shape digital privacy for years to come, could have been avoided – at least for now.


Source

Oh look, so the FBI did purposefully eliminate any other option to access the phone just so it could take Apple to court.
I wonder can Apple argue this is "tampering with evidence" and a criminal offense?
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23429 Posts
February 21 2016 13:48 GMT
#59624
On February 21 2016 22:35 Simberto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2016 21:50 GreenHorizons wrote:
On February 21 2016 21:10 Simberto wrote:
Ok, short segway.

What is with this sudden start of the use of "yuuge". Doesn't it make you feel incredibly stupid writing like that? I know that it is supposed to be some kind of jab at the thing you are pointing at, but it just looks so idiotic. And it appears to have started only some weeks ago, but now i see it every few posts.


It's a New York thing.

______________________________

I'm straight flabbergasted that people are ok with this crap (host guy is a jack ass but the video shows what a cluster NV was).



Ok, i have to say this:

While i do agree that the process in general seems to be inexplicably unorganized, the guy commenting in that video comes off as a complete douchebag. I am usually not an angry person, but that guy is just such a smug douche that he made me want to punch him despite agreeing with the general idea of what he is saying, just by the way he says it and how he focusses on utterly irrelevant details like "He is writing on his hand omg!" I am pretty sure i couldn't stand being in a room with that guy for more any period of time, and he actively makes me want to not vote for sanders (Despite the fact that a) i can't even vote in the US and b) i do think that Sanders is by far the best candidate around.). One should really be careful when selecting the people one wants to represent an organisation, and that guy it not one i would want around any organisation i am in favor off.

Sorry for the derailing.


On February 21 2016 22:35 Gorsameth wrote:
Again, I specifically said there is plenty wrong with the caucus system. But that video is a terrible example. It does not try to point out the major flaws of the system or how it can be fixed. Just listen to the guy "omg he wrote something on his hand, this is so bad", "omg he dropped a piece of paper, so bad!" This is throwing everything you see at the wall hoping something sticks.

A mistake was made, the mistake was corrected yes? The fact some people already left is irrelevant to this mistake, there was not a miss count. So long as the delegates were assigned in the end everything is fine.


Did you guys read my post or just click the video? I said the guy was a jack ass... and then clarified that the point wasn't his commentary but how much of a cluster the process is.


And I explained that the number won doesn't mean much if they aren't selected so "everything" is NOT "fine". I understand why this wouldn't be clear for people outside of the system, hell it's clear some of the people running it don't even understand it.



"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21918 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-21 13:56:54
February 21 2016 13:55 GMT
#59625
On February 21 2016 22:48 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2016 22:35 Simberto wrote:
On February 21 2016 21:50 GreenHorizons wrote:
On February 21 2016 21:10 Simberto wrote:
Ok, short segway.

What is with this sudden start of the use of "yuuge". Doesn't it make you feel incredibly stupid writing like that? I know that it is supposed to be some kind of jab at the thing you are pointing at, but it just looks so idiotic. And it appears to have started only some weeks ago, but now i see it every few posts.


It's a New York thing.

______________________________

I'm straight flabbergasted that people are ok with this crap (host guy is a jack ass but the video shows what a cluster NV was).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTwXvRt6tyM


Ok, i have to say this:

While i do agree that the process in general seems to be inexplicably unorganized, the guy commenting in that video comes off as a complete douchebag. I am usually not an angry person, but that guy is just such a smug douche that he made me want to punch him despite agreeing with the general idea of what he is saying, just by the way he says it and how he focusses on utterly irrelevant details like "He is writing on his hand omg!" I am pretty sure i couldn't stand being in a room with that guy for more any period of time, and he actively makes me want to not vote for sanders (Despite the fact that a) i can't even vote in the US and b) i do think that Sanders is by far the best candidate around.). One should really be careful when selecting the people one wants to represent an organisation, and that guy it not one i would want around any organisation i am in favor off.

Sorry for the derailing.


Show nested quote +
On February 21 2016 22:35 Gorsameth wrote:
Again, I specifically said there is plenty wrong with the caucus system. But that video is a terrible example. It does not try to point out the major flaws of the system or how it can be fixed. Just listen to the guy "omg he wrote something on his hand, this is so bad", "omg he dropped a piece of paper, so bad!" This is throwing everything you see at the wall hoping something sticks.

A mistake was made, the mistake was corrected yes? The fact some people already left is irrelevant to this mistake, there was not a miss count. So long as the delegates were assigned in the end everything is fine.


Did you guys read my post or just click the video? I said the guy was a jack ass... and then clarified that the point wasn't his commentary but how much of a cluster the process is.


And I explained that the number won doesn't mean much if they aren't selected so "everything" is NOT "fine". I understand why this wouldn't be clear for people outside of the system, hell it's clear some of the people running it don't even understand it.

Again, the mistake was discovered before everyone left.
Was the mistake corrected and were the delegates selected in the end. yes or no?

And if the video is pointless and you don't want it argued then don't link it.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8617 Posts
February 21 2016 14:32 GMT
#59626
On February 21 2016 22:44 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2016 22:41 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
The San Bernardino County government on Friday night said the FBI told its staff to tamper with the Apple account of Syed Farook, who with his wife, Tashfeen Malik, carried out the December shooting in which 14 people were killed.

The development matters because the change made to the account – a reset of Farook’s iCloud password – made it impossible to see if there was another way to get access to data on the shooter’s iPhone without taking Apple to court.

“The county was working cooperatively with the FBI when it reset the iCloud password at the FBI’s request,” read a post on San Bernardino County’s official Twitter account.

Late on 20 February the FBI said that it “worked with” county officials to reset the iCloud password, as discovery of the locked phone was “a logical next step was to obtain access to iCloud backups for the phone in order to obtain evidence related to the investigation in the days following the attack,” according to the statement from an FBI spokesman.

On 16 February, a federal judge ordered Apple to write and digitally sign software that would make it easier for the US government to guess the 4-digit passcode on Farook’s device – not to be confused with the iCloud password.

Apple contends such a move would violate user trust, the security of its products and a core tenet of its business. The FBI counters that Apple has placed marketing over national security.

But Apple executives say there is a way this legal battle, which will shape digital privacy for years to come, could have been avoided – at least for now.


Source

Oh look, so the FBI did purposefully eliminate any other option to access the phone just so it could take Apple to court.
I wonder can Apple argue this is "tampering with evidence" and a criminal offense?


if that is really the gist of it... either complete lack of qualification or nefariousness.

take your pick. I will add my middle finger gladly do apple's.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 21 2016 14:32 GMT
#59627
The candidates for president and their big-money allies have spent more than $682 million through the end of January, according to federal disclosures.

But money hasn't bought success.

There’s one area where Donald Trump is badly trailing the field — spending ― and that makes his resounding wins in South Carolina and New Hampshire all the more frustrating to his Republicans he’s trouncing and worrisome to the party leaders trying to block him from winning the nomination.

According to a POLITICO analysis of reports filed Saturday with the Federal Election Commission, through the end of January the campaign of the billionaire real estate showman had spent a total of $24 million. That’s less than half as much as the rivals who finished in a distant second-place tie behind him in South Carolina, Marco Rubio (whose campaign and super PAC and non-profit allies have spent $76 million) and Ted Cruz ($60 million), the analysis found.

Early in the presidential nominating process, Trump and his anti-establishment counterpart on the other side of the aisle Bernie Sanders are completely upending conventional thinking about campaign financing in the big money era sparked by the Supreme Court’s 2010 Citizens United decision.

Neither man has the support of a dedicated super PAC like those buoying their rivals, and both have essentially declared war on the deepest pocketed donors in their respective parties. Instead, they have pioneered alternative means to power their campaigns ― albeit utilizing vastly different models ― and have shocked the political establishment with their success.

Trump has reached into his own pocket to loan or donate $17.8 million to his once-quixotic campaign, accounting for most of the $26 million it has brought in, though it continues to accept a trickle of donations that totaled $941,000 in January.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
trulojucreathrma.com
Profile Blog Joined December 2015
United States327 Posts
February 21 2016 14:38 GMT
#59628
On February 21 2016 21:50 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2016 21:10 Simberto wrote:
Ok, short segway.

What is with this sudden start of the use of "yuuge". Doesn't it make you feel incredibly stupid writing like that? I know that it is supposed to be some kind of jab at the thing you are pointing at, but it just looks so idiotic. And it appears to have started only some weeks ago, but now i see it every few posts.


It's a New York thing.

______________________________

I'm straight flabbergasted that people are ok with this crap (host guy is a jack ass but the video shows what a cluster NV was).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTwXvRt6tyM



They show this stuff live in CNN, and the broadcasters get so excited about 'democracy in action' and 'how great is the US', 'we are now live inside the democrat caucus'. All the rest of the world sees is third world chaos.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 21 2016 15:11 GMT
#59629
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
February 21 2016 15:15 GMT
#59630
Everywhere I look, I see a lot of wishful thinking in the headlines. "Trump losing his lead in the polls." (hasn't stopped him so far, Iowa seems to have been a fluke). "Trump loses in h2h against Rubio/Cruz." "Trump will lose when the party coalesces around X."

I'm not seeing it happening. He's been solidly pushing through and I'm not seeing any evidence that he's going to have a sudden reversal in luck if nothing has fazed him as of yet.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
February 21 2016 15:32 GMT
#59631
Well we found the monolithic voters after all. SC is going to hurt for Sanders holy shit.

With most precincts reporting, Clinton was winning with 52 percent of the vote overall to Sanders’s 48 percent. But according to preliminary entrance polls reported by CNN, she won among black Democrats by a whopping 76 percent to 22 percent. African Americans made up 13 percent of the electorate, according to the entrance poll, while 19 percent were Hispanic and 59 percent were white.
rip passion
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
February 21 2016 15:42 GMT
#59632
African Americans have pretty much always voted in a monolithic fashion. I honestly think there's close to no chance that he's going to cut strongly into her lead on that front. Obama was a special exception for obvious reasons.

Demographics really don't favor Sanders this election.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
February 21 2016 15:45 GMT
#59633
yuuge is hilarious dont hate
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15723 Posts
February 21 2016 15:47 GMT
#59634
Predicted impacts of Romney endorsing Rubio? Perhaps even negative..?
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-21 15:50:22
February 21 2016 15:47 GMT
#59635
jebbush.com is now a dead link.

Man Trump came in like a cruise missile and destroyed Jeb Bush. This is amazing.

+ Show Spoiler +
I can't wait for Trump's memoir before he dies in which he says he was a Democratic plant all along.
rip passion
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 21 2016 15:50 GMT
#59636
On February 22 2016 00:47 Mohdoo wrote:
Predicted impacts of Romney endorsing Rubio? Perhaps even negative..?


Nothing he is an establishment candidate who has run what 2-3 times now? Also how is he going to campaign for Rubio his people skills he has none that much is evident from the 2012 campaign.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
February 21 2016 15:50 GMT
#59637
On February 22 2016 00:47 Deathstar wrote:
jebbush.com is now a dead link.

Consider it Trump'd.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
February 21 2016 15:52 GMT
#59638
On February 22 2016 00:47 Mohdoo wrote:
Predicted impacts of Romney endorsing Rubio? Perhaps even negative..?

it is good for the gop establishment. they need to consolidate the somewhat sane voters fast
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
February 21 2016 16:00 GMT
#59639
Yeah Mitt 47% Romney will surely help.
rip passion
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
February 21 2016 16:06 GMT
#59640
Romney has a pretty good standing in the Republican Party because one could possibly say that his comments on the Obama administration under some interpretation of the truth all came true. They can say he was right about Russia, he was right about Israeli culture, and possibly about that 47% (most businesspeople I know really liked that comment of his).

Though I doubt the value of endorsements in general. Rubio has most of the party support right now and has for a while.
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