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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23433 Posts
February 19 2016 14:36 GMT
#59281
On February 19 2016 23:30 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
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Republican presidential candidate Jeb Bush on Thursday broke with GOP leaders on the issue of replacing Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia, who died last week.

Asked whether he would nominate someone to the court if he had 11 months remaining in his term as president -- a situation President Barack Obama finds himself in now -- Bush said he "probably would."

"I'm an Article II guy," the former Florida governor said during a CNN town hall in South Carolina, referring to a president's constitutional power to nominate Supreme Court justices.

But, Bush added, it would be "better" for Obama's successor to make the nomination because of the slim likelihood that a divided S]Sourenate would confirm any nominee.

“Why not allow it to be part of the election?" Bush asked, arguing that the American people ought to have a say on the matter.

Obama has said he plans to nominate a successor to Scalia within weeks.


Source



That awkward moment when you have to appear strong and claim you would fill the slot, while simultaneously asserting that Obama shouldn't do what you would do.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21923 Posts
February 19 2016 15:31 GMT
#59282
On February 19 2016 23:36 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2016 23:30 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Republican presidential candidate Jeb Bush on Thursday broke with GOP leaders on the issue of replacing Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia, who died last week.

Asked whether he would nominate someone to the court if he had 11 months remaining in his term as president -- a situation President Barack Obama finds himself in now -- Bush said he "probably would."

"I'm an Article II guy," the former Florida governor said during a CNN town hall in South Carolina, referring to a president's constitutional power to nominate Supreme Court justices.

But, Bush added, it would be "better" for Obama's successor to make the nomination because of the slim likelihood that a divided S]Sourenate would confirm any nominee.

“Why not allow it to be part of the election?" Bush asked, arguing that the American people ought to have a say on the matter.

Obama has said he plans to nominate a successor to Scalia within weeks.


Source



That awkward moment when you have to appear strong and claim you would fill the slot, while simultaneously asserting that Obama shouldn't do what you would do.

Kasich had the same thing on Cobert's Late Show.
He goes on about how there is to much obstructionism and then how he would nominate a new Judge but that Obama really shouldn't do it ><
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 19 2016 15:40 GMT
#59283
LEWISTOWN, Ohio — Attempts to right a wrong exacted on the Shawnee Tribe almost 200 years ago are running into headwinds and government inertia in Ohio as the Native American nation seeks to reclaim its lost homeland.

There’s scant trace of the tribe’s rich history in rural western Ohio. A little patch of land off State Route 235 near Lewistown was the final redoubt of the tribe there. The last Shawnee left in the 1830s, and treaties made with them about land ownership were broken.

Indian Lake High School, with its Native American mural outside, might be the closest thing to homage that the area pays to its past. South of the school, farmland fans out in all directions, some of it marshy bottomland from the often overflowing Great Miami River.

But now this land could see a Native American nation officially return to Ohio for the first time, with the Shawnee reclaiming a tiny slice of their lost territory. Some 50 acres on the east side of Route 235 was recently purchased by the Eastern Band of the Shawnee and they are trying to get the Bureau of Indian Affairs (BIA) to recognize the parcel as restricted Indian Country.

“Our situation is that land was taken … We signed a treaty for what was then our reservation, and we were to come here to Indian territory,” said Chief Glenna Walker, who presides over the Eastern Shawnee, from the tribal headquarters in Oklahoma. “The government took additional land rather than just the reservation, land that belonged to [Nancy Stewart], a private tribal member.”

Unless the BIA designates the land restricted Indian Country, preferred development projects are stalled.

“We’d like to see it become a destination resort, which would help make the Indian Lake region an attraction again, a go-to place for central and southwest Ohio,” said Williams.

Part of getting BIA approval for the land is drumming up local support for the project, something that Bill Coyer, the president of the Indian Lake Chamber of Commerce, wasn’t quite ready to do without having more questions answered. He and a contingent of other local leaders were planning a fact-finding trip to the reservation in February to learn more.

“We have people who have been on government assistance for three and four generations. I want to know how and if this will create jobs for our area,” he said.

But others are more enthusiastic. Chad Doll, a councilman in neighboring Wapakoneta, said, “The project has been presented to me a couple of times, and I’m excited about the possible economic benefits our community might get from travelers who come through our community, which is about 14 miles away.”

For the Eastern Shawnee, this would be a symbolic return to their roots — as well as a potentially lucrative business opportunity.


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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 19 2016 15:41 GMT
#59284
ALso Harper Lee has died
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-19 15:50:31
February 19 2016 15:42 GMT
#59285
On February 19 2016 23:16 Acrofales wrote:
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On February 19 2016 20:36 trulojucreathrma.com wrote:
Did a judge really rule they have to place a backdoor in all iphones based on a law from 1789?

wtf



Lol, that oped by McAfee. The first real point he makes is about Hitler.

Yeah. That op-ed was pathetic. I did Google cybersecurity legend, though, and he has spammed Google enough to be the only guy on the first page.

Vox has come up with an interesting take on the issue:
http://www.vox.com/2016/2/18/11054994/iphones-back-door-san-bernardino

In particular their take on the ramifications for the international situation is interesting. However, I disagree on their quick dismissal based on the idea that Apple will create a 1-shot tool just for that phone. The precedent this sets means that that is almost certainly not going to be the case.

Here is a bit more analysis on that aspect:
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/feb/17/inside-the-fbis-encryption-battle-with-apple


The vox article seems pretty bullshit. Cook didn't "tacitly admit" that it's possible to create a hack purely for a single phone. In fact, he openly clarified that this is not possible.

This is what he actually (not "tacitly admitted") said.

"Once created, the technique could be used over and over again, on any number of devices," he said. Cook described such software as "the equivalent of a master key, capable of opening hundreds of millions of locks."


Then there's this.

US officials on Wednesday stressed that their request for Apple is only limited to Farook’s phone. “The judge’s order and our request in this case do not require Apple to redesign its products, to disable encryption or to open content on the phone,” the Justice Department said in a statement on 17 February.


Which is a flatout misdirection. They don't ask for that, no. They ask for removal of any features that would prevent them from doing it themselves. Which is pretty much exactly the same thing.

Let's not fool anyone here. This case simply is a scapegoat. It's purely about pushing something that the US government wanted for decades: the ability to force tech companies to act how they'd like. Including adding backdoors to their devices. Anyone who thinks that's a conspiracy theory might want to read up on the clipper chip, amongst others. Which predates 9/11 considerably, as i already said, so terrorism wasn't a reason back then - it just is more convenient to use those cases now.
On track to MA1950A.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 19 2016 15:51 GMT
#59286
SUMMERVILLE, S.C. — Some of Jeb Bush’s most steadfast allies think Saturday might be the end.

Donors, who poured millions into his campaign and super PAC, have stopped giving — one refusing a direct request to raise $1 million this week. Bush himself is hitting the phones, pleading for patience with his most influential supporters. And even some of his confidants are suddenly dejected after a dispiriting week capped off by South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley rejecting Bush in favor of Marco Rubio.

“What a kick in the balls,” said one of Bush’s closest supporters, one of the more than a dozen major Bush donors interviewed for this story.

The Bush team had been banking on a strong week, believing their candidate’s first solid debate performance last weekend would move the numbers in South Carolina. They thought bringing in George W. Bush on Monday night would generate more enthusiasm and positive earned media than it did. They held out hope that the former president could convince Haley, who’d hedged on backing Rubio after his slip in New Hampshire, to support a fellow governor.

But none of it panned out.

“The Haley endorsement just hurt,” said a Florida-based fundraiser who is close to Bush and had up to now remained optimistic about his chances. “We felt we had some momentum after New Hampshire. And Jeb was feeling good about his brother. But it wasn’t as good as we thought it would be. Then this happened.”

“It’s bad for the staff, for morale,” that donor said. “People are working hard and it’s tough when this happens. But this stuff happens.”

But even before Haley’s endorsement, several longtime Bush donors were emailing one another Tuesday morning, expressing a collective readiness to intervene and tell Bush, depending on his finish here Saturday night, that his time is up.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
February 19 2016 15:59 GMT
#59287
On February 19 2016 23:36 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2016 23:30 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Republican presidential candidate Jeb Bush on Thursday broke with GOP leaders on the issue of replacing Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia, who died last week.

Asked whether he would nominate someone to the court if he had 11 months remaining in his term as president -- a situation President Barack Obama finds himself in now -- Bush said he "probably would."

"I'm an Article II guy," the former Florida governor said during a CNN town hall in South Carolina, referring to a president's constitutional power to nominate Supreme Court justices.

But, Bush added, it would be "better" for Obama's successor to make the nomination because of the slim likelihood that a divided S]Sourenate would confirm any nominee.

“Why not allow it to be part of the election?" Bush asked, arguing that the American people ought to have a say on the matter.

Obama has said he plans to nominate a successor to Scalia within weeks.


Source



That awkward moment when you have to appear strong and claim you would fill the slot, while simultaneously asserting that Obama shouldn't do what you would do.

That awkward moment when partisan politics support a decision contrary to what is established by the Constitution.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
February 19 2016 17:03 GMT
#59288
If Jeb Bush drops out after SC/before March 1st, Rubio is probably going to start being a favorite in my book against Trump. Most projections I've seen show him crushing it against Trump in a 1-on-1, so we'll have to see how things go. Having Trump running might even benefit him, since he's going to be able to present himself as the "adult in the room", the "serious" candidate, and even the "moderate", when he's anything but.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -- Stephen Colbert
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-19 17:28:46
February 19 2016 17:28 GMT
#59289
I'd be concerned about Marco full on roboto vs the Trump, but I largely agree otherwise
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-19 17:30:24
February 19 2016 17:29 GMT
#59290
On February 20 2016 02:03 kwizach wrote:
If Jeb Bush drops out after SC/before March 1st, Rubio is probably going to start being a favorite in my book against Trump. Most projections I've seen show him crushing it against Trump in a 1-on-1, so we'll have to see how things go. Having Trump running might even benefit him, since he's going to be able to present himself as the "adult in the room", the "serious" candidate, and even the "moderate", when he's anything but.


Rubio as the adult in the room? Are you serious? It's already been shown that Rubio panics when confronted with a curve ball. Then there's Cruz who would dismantle him with Evangelical votes.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21923 Posts
February 19 2016 17:30 GMT
#59291
On February 20 2016 02:03 kwizach wrote:
If Jeb Bush drops out after SC/before March 1st, Rubio is probably going to start being a favorite in my book against Trump. Most projections I've seen show him crushing it against Trump in a 1-on-1, so we'll have to see how things go. Having Trump running might even benefit him, since he's going to be able to present himself as the "adult in the room", the "serious" candidate, and even the "moderate", when he's anything but.

I wonder if the adult, serious maybe moderate crowd is large enough to beat the bat shit crazy crowd in the primaries.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
February 19 2016 17:39 GMT
#59292
On February 20 2016 02:29 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2016 02:03 kwizach wrote:
If Jeb Bush drops out after SC/before March 1st, Rubio is probably going to start being a favorite in my book against Trump. Most projections I've seen show him crushing it against Trump in a 1-on-1, so we'll have to see how things go. Having Trump running might even benefit him, since he's going to be able to present himself as the "adult in the room", the "serious" candidate, and even the "moderate", when he's anything but.


Rubio as the adult in the room? Are you serious? It's already been shown that Rubio panics when confronted with a curve ball. Then there's Cruz who would dismantle him with Evangelical votes.

I'm saying that's the card he's going to play if he ends up in a 1-on-1 with Trump. You're right that Cruz is going to be a factor though, I'm really interested in how things are going to play out after the first week of March.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -- Stephen Colbert
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
February 19 2016 17:46 GMT
#59293
the gop primary is so detached from reality i cant really see the 'adults' prevailing. it is a full on zombie apocalypse.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
February 19 2016 17:47 GMT
#59294
I don't see Trump losing at this point.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-19 17:50:55
February 19 2016 17:47 GMT
#59295
It's not going to be 1v1 until Cruz disappears, which Cruz won't do until his southern strategy plays out (roughly after Utah and Arizona weigh in on March 22nd). He might even deliberately hang around afterwards in order to try and garner enough delegates to have a voice in a brokered convention.

Only 757 delegates will be left at that point out of 2472. If we assume Trump takes the 291 winner-takes-all delegates and 40% of the proportional delegates to Rubio's 30%, he'll have ~860 delegates to Rubio's ~430. Trump will only need half of what remains to secure the nomination, while Rubio couldn't secure the nomination even if he won every single remaining delegate.

It's difficult to tell exactly how things will shake out, but it seems extremely likely that Trump will have so many delegates by the time Rubio becomes the sole establishment candidate that there simply won't be a mathematical way for Rubio to challenge him. My expectation is that sometime in May the establishment will swallow their pride and have Rubio bow out so he can polish his skills for 2020.


I should add that Cruz has more incentive to try and undermine Rubio than he does Trump since Rubio is the one siphoning away conservative votes. Even after ditching the establishment firing squad, Rubio is still going to be at a disadvantage.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
February 19 2016 17:57 GMT
#59296
How awesome would a 4 way Sanders v Rubio v Trump v Bloomberg race be?
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
February 19 2016 18:01 GMT
#59297
On February 20 2016 02:47 xDaunt wrote:
I don't see Trump losing at this point.

lol we still a long way to go.
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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
February 19 2016 18:09 GMT
#59298
On February 20 2016 02:47 xDaunt wrote:
I don't see Trump losing at this point.

He has about the same chances he did back in November/December IMO. Not too unlikely he'll get the nomination, though.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 19 2016 18:12 GMT
#59299
On February 20 2016 03:01 Deathstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2016 02:47 xDaunt wrote:
I don't see Trump losing at this point.

lol we still a long way to go.

If we put aside the polls and projections, only two states have voted and Trump lost one. He is far from unstoppable.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-19 18:16:15
February 19 2016 18:15 GMT
#59300
Looks like Salon has finally caught on:

In one major poll, Bernie Sanders is now leading Hillary Clinton nationally. In most others, he’s not far behind from the former Secretary of State. Vermont’s Senator already has an “edge over Clinton in matchups with GOP opponents,” dispelling Clinton’s electability myth. In an average of national polls, Bernie Sanders is less than eight points from Hillary Clinton, after being over 50 points behind in 2015. In addition, there’s only one person capable of challenging a Republican in 2016 without James Comey declaring national security was jeopardized by a private server.

Bernie Sanders is the only Democratic candidate capable of winning the White House in 2016. Please name the last person to win the presidency alongside an ongoing FBI investigation, negative favorability ratings, questions about character linked to continual flip-flops, a dubious money trail of donors, and the genuine contempt of the rival political party. In reality, Clinton is a liability to Democrats, and certainly not the person capable of ensuring liberal Supreme Court nominees and President Obama’s legacy.


Read the rest here.

The trashing of Hillary here is surprisingly thorough, bringing up all sorts of things that we typically don't see from the left, including pointing out that large majorities of men and women find Hillary to be untrustworthy and indicating that the email server issue is a real problem.

I don't buy the argument that Sanders will be president, but I'm sure all of the Bernie boosters will be more than happy to read that part.
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