EPTOn February 20 2016 03:15 xDaunt wrote:
Looks like Salon has finally caught on:
Looks like Salon has finally caught on:
Salon has been incredibly biased towards Sanders for the majority of the race.
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
Salon has been incredibly biased towards Sanders for the majority of the race. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On February 20 2016 03:18 jcarlsoniv wrote: Salon has been incredibly biased towards Sanders for the majority of the race. It's one thing to have a preferred nominee. It's another to say that the alternative has no chance at winning -- particularly when you're talking about Hillary Clinton. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15729 Posts
On February 20 2016 03:19 xDaunt wrote: It's one thing to have a preferred nominee. It's another to say that the alternative has no chance at winning -- particularly when you're talking about Hillary Clinton. Every single Bernie nut I know is convinced Bernie is going to win by at least triple the votes. From a societal standpoint, it's interesting to see how people can feel so strongly about a candidate. People really like the idea of getting caught up in a movement. I think it is empowering to feel apart of something big of transformation or something. People associate themselves with it or some shit. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On February 20 2016 03:27 Mohdoo wrote: Every single Bernie nut I know is convinced Bernie is going to win by at least triple the votes. From a societal standpoint, it's interesting to see how people can feel so strongly about a candidate. People really like the idea of getting caught up in a movement. I think it is empowering to feel apart of something big of transformation or something. People associate themselves with it or some shit. That is exactly what got Obama nominated and elected the first time. The parties have leaned into these "anointed" candidates and it back fires most of the time. They seem to forget that if people think the choice is made for them, they gravitate to anyone else. And with the perceived influence of super PACs, people seem to have no patience for it. PACs seem to ratchet up the volume on elections, while accomplishing very little when it comes to changing minds | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15729 Posts
On February 20 2016 03:37 Plansix wrote: That is exactly what got Obama nominated and elected the first time. The parties have leaned into these "anointed" candidates and it back fires most of the time. They seem to forget that if people think the choice is made for them, they gravitate to anyone else. And with the perceived influence of super PACs, people seem to have no patience for it. PACs seem to ratchet up the volume on elections, while accomplishing very little when it comes to changing minds Imagine a high profile campaign manager reading this 20 years ago. They'd laugh, think that's impossible. Welcome to the information age. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
If Sanders can't close the gap in SC he'll probably fall significantly behind Clinton on Super Tuesday, and while he won't necessarily have lost completely his chances will be slim. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On February 20 2016 03:49 Mohdoo wrote: Imagine a high profile campaign manager reading this 20 years ago. They'd laugh, think that's impossible. Welcome to the information age. Just think 20 years ago they wanted unlimited money into elections. Now they got it, it worked for a hot minute and then the voters caught on and hate it even more. But I am sure TV networks and other interests think it’s the best thing ever, which only shows how garbage it is. They want the race to be as mutli-sided, crazy and reality show like to keep ratings up and ads flowing it. “Money isn’t speech” shouldn’t be the argument any more. “Unlimited money makes elections shit shows while most voters tune them out,” is the way more compelling argument. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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Deathstar
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Mohdoo
United States15729 Posts
On February 20 2016 04:08 Deathstar wrote: I'm currently more concerned about a surprise Republican victory. I know Sanders and Clinton have to fight to win but remember how badly Gingrich fucked over Romney with his vulture capitalism ad? I hope things don't get too bad on the Democratic side. It's gonna happen. Hilary is gonna be such a mess after people like GH trying to spur a revolution that we're gonna get steamrolled by Rubio. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22062 Posts
On February 20 2016 04:08 Deathstar wrote: I'm currently more concerned about a surprise Republican victory. I know Sanders and Clinton have to fight to win but remember how badly Gingrich fucked over Romney with his vulture capitalism ad? I hope things don't get too bad on the Democratic side. Fortunately for Hillary it is unlikely that Bernie will take his gloves off. On February 20 2016 04:21 Mohdoo wrote: It's gonna happen. Hilary is gonna be such a mess after people like GH trying to spur a revolution that we're gonna get steamrolled by Rubio. This is indeed a much bigger threat. If Bernie loses a large portion of Democrats may not turn out to vote for Hillary, not so much because of herself but because of their own disappointment. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On February 20 2016 03:56 LegalLord wrote: I'm honestly not seeing a victory for Sanders right now. He's doing well compared to where he was a few months ago, but he evidently isn't polling strongly enough to surpass Clinton's wide base of support throughout the Democratic Party. Which is a shame because I don't particularly like Hillary. Which is why it mostly comes down to his performance in South Carolina, and whether he can repeat a strong showing there in similar states. If he can (on both counts) he probably wins, and otherwise he probably loses. | ||
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strongwind
United States862 Posts
On February 20 2016 03:27 Mohdoo wrote: Every single Bernie nut I know is convinced Bernie is going to win by at least triple the votes. From a societal standpoint, it's interesting to see how people can feel so strongly about a candidate. People really like the idea of getting caught up in a movement. I think it is empowering to feel apart of something big of transformation or something. People associate themselves with it or some shit. I'm a Bernie supporter and I've never felt he was going to win by much, if at all. And what is wrong with associating yourself with a movement exactly? Should we all sit on our hands and watch the horse race from afar? That's what we've been doing for years. I'm a big Obama fan, but even he wasn't great at mobilizing us during his time in office. We need someone that can energize the base to compete with the ideologues that have dominated (and mobilized) the republican base for quite some time. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On February 20 2016 04:22 Gorsameth wrote: If Bernie loses a large portion of Democrats may not turn out to vote for Hillary, not so much because of herself but because of their own disappointment. I think that it has a lot to do with Hillary that many people don't want to vote for Hillary. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15729 Posts
On February 20 2016 04:35 LegalLord wrote: I think that it has a lot to do with Hillary that many people don't want to vote for Hillary. How many Trump supporters want to vote for Rubio? I think a big problem is that democrats are less likely to vote against someone than republicans. | ||
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oneofthem
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strongwind
United States862 Posts
On February 20 2016 04:35 LegalLord wrote: I think that it has a lot to do with Hillary that many people don't want to vote for Hillary. I mean I'm personally someone that wasn't against voting for Hillary before this whole race started, but as time has gone on I've been questioning whether I would support her in the general if Bernie loses. And I'm someone that can't stand the thought of seeing any of the current Republican candidates in the White House. If someone like me is doubtful, that does not bode well for Hillary at all. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On February 20 2016 04:41 Mohdoo wrote: How many Trump supporters want to vote for Rubio? I think a big problem is that democrats are less likely to vote against someone than republicans. Currently, there are only two candidates who legitimately inspire their supporters: Trump and Bernie. Hillary is never going to do it. On the republican side, Cruz and Rubio might be able to do it, but I don't see it happening. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On February 20 2016 04:42 strongwind wrote: I mean I'm personally someone that wasn't against voting for Hillary before this whole race started, but as time has gone on I've been questioning whether I would support her in the general if Bernie loses. And I'm someone that can't stand seeing any of the current Republican candidates in the White House. If someone like me is doubtful, that does not bode well for Hillary at all. Why have you become more skeptical of supporting Hillary? | ||
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