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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 11 2015 17:07 GMT
#43801
Bernie Sanders received his first endorsement from a national trade union on Monday, throwing significant new organisational muscle behind a Democratic presidential candidate who is challenging Hillary Clinton’s natural support in the labour movement but lags far behind her in campaign infrastructure.

National Nurses United, which has 185,000 members nationally and is the profession’s largest representative, announced its backing for Sanders at a rally with him in Oakland, California.

The decision of its executive council to announce a formal endorsement follows a poll of members said to show widespread backing for his more radical policies on healthcare and social inequality.

Although the union is well-known as one of the more leftwing labor groups, its leaders claim to be surprised at the depth of support among their largely female membership given Clinton’s chance of becoming America’s first female president.

“When the pollsters said there was a landslide for Bernie Sanders, that didn’t make a lot of sense to me initially given the fact that Hillary Clinton is a woman,” director RoseAnn DeMoro told the Guardian in an interview ahead of the announcement. “I thought it would be fairly balanced, and it’s not.”

DeMoro would not disclose the internal polling numbers but said the three recent surveys represented a “pretty significant sampling” of the union’s members and she was “stunned at the level and depth of enthusiasm for Bernie”.

Until now, only one other national union, the American Federation of Teachers, has endorsed any of the Democratic candidates – coming out for Clinton in July – although some smaller, local union groups have shown support for Sanders.

Sanders thanked the nurses gathered at NNU headquarters, drawing on their experience of health inequality to reinforce his call for universal and affordable medical insurance.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 11 2015 17:09 GMT
#43802
On August 12 2015 01:59 Introvert wrote:
There was no leak (I don't see it in the article), the EPA screwed up. The mine was abandoned.

Yes. The company that owned it abandoned it without cleaning it up and it was a risk to the area. The dam they drilled was not going to stay there forever. They were trying to fix the problem and an accident happened.

And they freely admit it was their mistake and opened up for people to file claims. I hear other companies made mistakes and are allowed to continued existing. Sometimes we even bail them out.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Escivee
Profile Joined April 2009
Malaysia18 Posts
August 11 2015 17:22 GMT
#43803
On August 11 2015 14:36 IgnE wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +


This is from July! How did we miss it in this thread?!?

Buried deep beneath history lies the answer to the problem we face today. Only if one is willing to let go of their prejudice or at least hold on before passing the judgement.

Rodney Martin narrates the National Socialist Economic Plan (1932) by Gottfried Feder. (use vpn if this video is blocked in your country)



Here's the link if you want to read it.
https://archive.org/details/Feder-Gottfried-Das-Programm-der-NSDAP(1932)

Another important work by Gottfried Feder which influenced Hitler and the formation of NSDAP.
https://archive.org/details/GottfriedFederManifestoForTheAbolitionOfInterestSlavery(1919)

To understand the meaning of "Socialism" in "National Socialism", read chapter 3 (Prussian and Englishmen) of Preussentum und Socialismus by Oswald Spengler. Prussian/German Socialism has nothing to do with the Socialism of the left.
https://archive.org/details/PrussianismAndSocialism(1920)

"Spengler argued that true socialism was not represented by the Marxist-inspired Communists and Social Democrats, who had brought down the Second Reich, but by the Prussian spirit of patriotism, duty, and the subordination of private interests to the common good whenever they conflicted.

Spengler also argued the true socialism did not require the expropriation of private property, but merely the regulation of economic activity and the cultivation of an ethos of public-spiritedness and duty. Thus Spengler’s Prussian socialism is very close to what became Italian Fascism and German National Socialism."


User was temp banned for this post.
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4951 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-11 17:25:12
August 11 2015 17:23 GMT
#43804
On August 12 2015 02:09 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2015 01:59 Introvert wrote:
There was no leak (I don't see it in the article), the EPA screwed up. The mine was abandoned.

Yes. The company that owned it abandoned it without cleaning it up and it was a risk to the area. The dam they drilled was not going to stay there forever. They were trying to fix the problem and an accident happened.

And they freely admit it was their mistake and opened up for people to file claims. I hear other companies made mistakes and are allowed to continued existing. Sometimes we even bail them out.


I'm on mobile, but from what I've read I'm not sure this all applies. This mine is quite old and complaints about regulation seem out of place. If the mine was in any sense modern than maybe it would be more worthwhile to complain about the company or regulations.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/08/10/what-the-epa-was-doing-when-it-sent-yellow-sludge-spilling-into-a-colorado-creek/
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
Shiragaku
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Hong Kong4308 Posts
August 11 2015 18:28 GMT
#43805
On August 12 2015 02:22 Escivee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2015 14:36 IgnE wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FebGaCyNhys


This is from July! How did we miss it in this thread?!?

Buried deep beneath history lies the answer to the problem we face today. Only if one is willing to let go of their prejudice or at least hold on before passing the judgement.

Rodney Martin narrates the National Socialist Economic Plan (1932) by Gottfried Feder. (use vpn if this video is blocked in your country)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKnFN8P21-0

Here's the link if you want to read it.
https://archive.org/details/Feder-Gottfried-Das-Programm-der-NSDAP(1932)

Another important work by Gottfried Feder which influenced Hitler and the formation of NSDAP.
https://archive.org/details/GottfriedFederManifestoForTheAbolitionOfInterestSlavery(1919)

To understand the meaning of "Socialism" in "National Socialism", read chapter 3 (Prussian and Englishmen) of Preussentum und Socialismus by Oswald Spengler. Prussian/German Socialism has nothing to do with the Socialism of the left.
https://archive.org/details/PrussianismAndSocialism(1920)

"Spengler argued that true socialism was not represented by the Marxist-inspired Communists and Social Democrats, who had brought down the Second Reich, but by the Prussian spirit of patriotism, duty, and the subordination of private interests to the common good whenever they conflicted.

Spengler also argued the true socialism did not require the expropriation of private property, but merely the regulation of economic activity and the cultivation of an ethos of public-spiritedness and duty. Thus Spengler’s Prussian socialism is very close to what became Italian Fascism and German National Socialism."

Holy shit, we first got George Soros conspiracies and now Metapedia. When will we finally have Rothchilds?
And please do not try to advocate this on TL, it is really obvious that you are advocating Nazism without mentioning Jews
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-11 18:38:43
August 11 2015 18:37 GMT
#43806
Something that always baffles me about the US is this weird obsession with German ancestry, Nazi admiration and symbolism among extremists. Not just actual neo-Nazis but almost any American extremist group seems to have their own wing of "Aryan" nonsense.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-11 18:52:47
August 11 2015 18:48 GMT
#43807
On August 12 2015 03:37 Nyxisto wrote:
Something that always baffles me about the US is this weird obsession with German ancestry, Nazi admiration and symbolism among extremists. Not just actual neo-Nazis but almost any American extremist group seems to have their own wing of "Aryan" nonsense.

Lack of originality and an obsession with “whiteness,” militarization and a struggle against an invisible enemy. Racists are not what we call the most creative of people, since they get freaked out by music from different cultures.

On August 12 2015 03:28 Shiragaku wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2015 02:22 Escivee wrote:
On August 11 2015 14:36 IgnE wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FebGaCyNhys


This is from July! How did we miss it in this thread?!?

Buried deep beneath history lies the answer to the problem we face today. Only if one is willing to let go of their prejudice or at least hold on before passing the judgement.

Rodney Martin narrates the National Socialist Economic Plan (1932) by Gottfried Feder. (use vpn if this video is blocked in your country)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKnFN8P21-0

Here's the link if you want to read it.
https://archive.org/details/Feder-Gottfried-Das-Programm-der-NSDAP(1932)

Another important work by Gottfried Feder which influenced Hitler and the formation of NSDAP.
https://archive.org/details/GottfriedFederManifestoForTheAbolitionOfInterestSlavery(1919)

To understand the meaning of "Socialism" in "National Socialism", read chapter 3 (Prussian and Englishmen) of Preussentum und Socialismus by Oswald Spengler. Prussian/German Socialism has nothing to do with the Socialism of the left.
https://archive.org/details/PrussianismAndSocialism(1920)

"Spengler argued that true socialism was not represented by the Marxist-inspired Communists and Social Democrats, who had brought down the Second Reich, but by the Prussian spirit of patriotism, duty, and the subordination of private interests to the common good whenever they conflicted.

Spengler also argued the true socialism did not require the expropriation of private property, but merely the regulation of economic activity and the cultivation of an ethos of public-spiritedness and duty. Thus Spengler’s Prussian socialism is very close to what became Italian Fascism and German National Socialism."

Holy shit, we first got George Soros conspiracies and now Metapedia. When will we finally have Rothchilds?
And please do not try to advocate this on TL, it is really obvious that you are advocating Nazism without mentioning Jews


You can't talk about removing minorities until your in power. Then you double down now how bad they are and were the cause for all the previous problems in the country.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-11 18:52:06
August 11 2015 18:49 GMT
#43808
I thought that post was a hamfisted attempt at comparing the United States current government to pre-WWII Germany. And we just need to do the opposite of all those things...

Which would kind of make sense since we do some of those things.
Freeeeeeedom
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 11 2015 19:08 GMT
#43809
Once you see Rodney Martin or anyone featured on StormFront, its time to ignore or mock the post. Luckily this isn't reddit, so the TL mods will shut down anyone posting that trash.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23957 Posts
August 11 2015 19:24 GMT
#43810
On August 12 2015 04:08 Plansix wrote:
Once you see Rodney Martin or anyone featured on StormFront, its time to ignore or mock the post. Luckily this isn't reddit, so the TL mods will shut down anyone posting that trash.


You sure about that? It's gotten better but I'm still not so sure.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
August 11 2015 19:39 GMT
#43811
the linked youtube channel says "WAHREIT MACHT FREI" in its channel description.

"nice"
TL+ Member
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 11 2015 19:54 GMT
#43812
A poll released Monday showed that former realty star Donald Trump remained atop the Republican heap in Iowa following the first GOP debate and his suggestion that its lone female moderator's menstrual cycle contributed to her tough questioning of him.

The poll from Democratic-leaning Public Policy Polling found Trump leading the pack with 19 percent among Republican primary voters in the state.

The poll was conducted from Friday through Sunday and included the days that Trump was coming under fire for saying that Fox News anchor Megyn Kelly, who helped moderate last week's debate, had "blood coming out of her wherever" while questioning him.

Trump's favorability also increased slightly in the four months since the last PPP poll of Iowa. The latest poll showed him at 46 percent favorable to 40 percent unfavorable. In April, he had an even 40-40 split.

Rounding out the candidates who poll in double digits were former neurosurgeon Dr. Ben Carson and Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker (12 percent), former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush (11 percent) and former Hewlett-Packard chief executive Carly Fiorina (10 percent).

In April, Walker polled at 23 percent.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-11 20:19:37
August 11 2015 20:06 GMT
#43813
Of course the poll is of “Republican Primary Voter”, not registered Republicans. Behold GOP, the monster you created when you tapped the Tea Party to win over primaries and attempt win congress.

Also, Republicans of TL, Reply All has your back on reducing Government and making it more efficient. Specifically, the way they hired IT people and create websites. Find out why the Obama Care website failed(the firms that handled it were hired in 2007 and there were 16 of them).

https://gimletmedia.com/show/reply-all/
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 11 2015 20:27 GMT
#43814
President Obama says his agreement over Iran's nuclear program — while facing fierce criticism in Congress and among the American public now — will look better in years to come.

In an interview with NPR, Obama's tone was restrained, but his words were not. He expressed no patience for opponents of the deal, saying their arguments are "illogical or based on the wrong facts, and then you ask them, 'All right, what's your alternative?' and there's a deafening silence."

The president also told Morning Edition host Steve Inskeep that his critics need to "pull out of the immediate politics" and consider "the right thing to do for the country." Republicans have led the criticism of the Iran deal, but prominent Democrats, including Sen. Chuck Schumer and Rep. Eliot Engel, have also voiced their opposition.

"When this agreement is implemented and ... we've got inspectors on the ground and it becomes clear that Iran in fact is abiding by this agreement, then attitudes will change, because people will recognize that, in fact, whatever parade of horribles was presented in opposition have not come true," Obama said. "That, instead, what we've seen is an effective way to bind Iran to a commitment not to have nuclear weapons and, in that scenario, it'll probably be forgotten that Republicans uniformly opposed it."

Obama also spoke about what he thinks the region could look like if the deal is approved.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 11 2015 23:32 GMT
#43815
The head of the Environmental Protection Agency said Tuesday her department takes full responsibility for spilling 3 million gallons of mining waste into a southwest Colorado river turning it orange, adding it "pains me to no end."

Gina McCarthy made the comments as her agency came under increased scrutiny after federal and contract workers accidentally unleashed the spill last week while inspecting the abandoned Gold King mine near Silverton, Colorado. On Tuesday, the state's two senators, Democrat Michael Bennet and Republican Cory Gardner, along with Representative Scott Tipton called on McCarthy to visit the contaminated site. "The individuals, families and businesses impacted by EPA's accident deserve nothing less," the three politicians wrote in a joint statement.

The contaminated water that flowed into a tributary of the Animas and San Juan rivers contained high levels of arsenic, lead and other potentially toxic heavy metals. McCarthy expressed regret that the spill occurred and said her agency has "added responsibility here."

"It is really a tragic and very unfortunate incident, and EPA is taking responsibility to ensure that that spill is cleaned up," McCarthy said. "I am absolutely, deeply sorry that this ever happened."

The accident comes at a sensitive time for the EPA, a frequent and favorite target of conservatives and pro-business groups. McCarthy spoke Tuesday as part of an event on the Obama Administration's Clean Power Plan, which mandates steep greenhouse gas emission cuts from U.S. power plants.

State and local officials in the areas affected by the spill have characterized EPA's initial response as too slow and too small. It took about 24 hours to first notify some downstream communities of the accident and the agency originally underestimated the volume of the spill.

The plume of pollution has since flowed at least 100 miles downstream to New Mexico, where towns and cities have been forced to close their intake valves to protect public water supplies.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23957 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-11 23:42:16
August 11 2015 23:42 GMT
#43816
It still confuses me how so many are so sure all these people are backing an almost sure loser.

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-12 00:08:16
August 11 2015 23:48 GMT
#43817
On August 12 2015 02:09 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2015 01:59 Introvert wrote:
There was no leak (I don't see it in the article), the EPA screwed up. The mine was abandoned.

Yes. The company that owned it abandoned it without cleaning it up and it was a risk to the area. The dam they drilled was not going to stay there forever. They were trying to fix the problem and an accident happened.

And they freely admit it was their mistake and opened up for people to file claims. I hear other companies made mistakes and are allowed to continued existing. Sometimes we even bail them out.
Just don't forget, the Colorado EPA is allowed to continue existing as well. Any claims are a bailout financed by the American taxpayer. I'm getting the vibe that you liberally apply "trying to fix" and "accident" to an agency, but desire destruction and decry crony bailouts to companies. This isn't angels and demons here.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14128 Posts
August 12 2015 00:37 GMT
#43818
On August 12 2015 08:42 GreenHorizons wrote:
It still confuses me how so many are so sure all these people are backing an almost sure loser.

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Because he's an open socialist and we'll have another black president before electing a socialist?
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23957 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-12 00:40:20
August 12 2015 00:38 GMT
#43819
On August 12 2015 09:37 Sermokala wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2015 08:42 GreenHorizons wrote:
It still confuses me how so many are so sure all these people are backing an almost sure loser.

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Because he's an open socialist and we'll have another black president before electing a socialist?


He's a democratic socialist, and there are significant differences. I presume you know that and are just being facetious though?

Believe me I've heard more than an earful from actual socialists about how he certainly isn't one.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
August 12 2015 00:46 GMT
#43820
Ron Paul, Ross Perot, Ralph Nader and Howard Dean also drew large crowds. Populists do that. But all the progressives voting for Sander won't help him get the nomination because Democrats are largely moderate, not progressive, so Sanders still has a lot of work to before even thinking about scratching Hillary
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