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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23743 Posts
August 10 2015 19:10 GMT
#43761
On August 11 2015 04:02 cLutZ wrote:
NVM, wikipedia provided plenty of information on Mr. West.


Depends on what you mean by famous, but he's long been an important figure in black communities.

http://www.cornelwest.com/bio.html
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45374 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-10 19:35:31
August 10 2015 19:33 GMT
#43762
On August 11 2015 04:08 Sermokala wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2015 02:57 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On August 11 2015 02:52 Velr wrote:
On August 11 2015 02:09 Plansix wrote:
On August 11 2015 02:05 Velr wrote:
I'm pretty sure the WWF hat plenty of woman wrestlers going against guys?

All that stuff is staged and acted out. It's physical for sure, no one will say otherwise. But its not competing in any sense.



Yes? And your point is?


That staged and pre-planned entertainment is not the same as legitimate competitions where a man goes all out against a woman?

Fake wrestling isn't the same as real wrestling (or boxing, other sports, etc.).

Fake wrestling is a really big deal in mexico and the training and effort required to do everything they do has to be considered nearly on the same level as legitimate competitions. Mexicans also tend to be a lot more conservative about things so I was making the point that even that culture it wouldn't be a problem to see mixed genders fighting eachother.


I agree with you that we should eventually get over the mixed-sex fighting (although the USA is very immature and prude and conservative regarding anything related to sex, whether it's gender roles, sex education, even "hitting a girl", etc.).

And I understand and respect the physical ability and gymnastics required to be a fake wrestler, so let me try to reword it like this: In fake wrestling, it's already understood that everyone is working together, whereas in an actual competition, it's less predictable, less rehearsed, and the fighters are working against each other. I think of fake wrestling more of like a synchronized dance or capoeira because it's choreographed (although still staged and acted to "look real/ fierce/ angry/ etc."), and while injuries can still occur in fake wrestling, it's still not the same thing (risk-wise) as boxers legitimately going at it, bludgeoning each other for real. So I don't think fake wrestling is going to be viewed as an adequate analogy in most cases. But again, as Plansix said, I think the emphasis should be more on size and weight, rather than sex anyway.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15742 Posts
August 10 2015 22:32 GMT
#43763
I was a Bernie skeptic, but after his giant crowd here in Portland, he made a believer out of me. I really think he can dethrone Clinton.
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
August 10 2015 22:43 GMT
#43764
On August 11 2015 07:32 Mohdoo wrote:
I was a Bernie skeptic, but after his giant crowd here in Portland, he made a believer out of me. I really think he can dethrone Clinton.


It takes every single one of us to do so!
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
whatisthisasheep
Profile Joined April 2015
624 Posts
August 10 2015 23:13 GMT
#43765
The new Morning Consult poll has Trump has 32% even after his Megyn Kelly comments. Equally Amazing Carly Firona has risen from 0% to 8%
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/08/10/teflon-don-trump-at-32-percent-in-new-post-debate-poll/

Republican frontrunner billionaire Donald Trump has jumped seven points—a remarkable hike in the polls—after the GOP debate in Cleveland, Ohio, last week and a subsequent spat with Fox News anchor Megyn Kelly.

The Morning Consult poll of 746 self-identified Republicans and GOP-leaning independents has Trump with a commanding lead over the entire rest of the field at 32 percent. That means he leads the next three candidates—former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, Dr. Ben Carson and Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker or Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL)
80%
—combined. Bush, who came in second, got only 11 percent. Carson came in third with 9 percent. Walker and Rubio tied with 6 percent each.

Trump’s 32 percent means he leads Bush, Carson and Walker—or Bush, Carson and Rubio, depending on which candidate tied for fourth place one considers actually in fourth—combined. His 32 percent is tied with Bush, Carson, Rubio and Walker combined.

Trump’s 32 percent is also up seven points over last week’s Morning Consult poll, which had him at 25 percent. The poll was conducted Aug. 7 through Aug. 9—Friday through Sunday—which means most of the polling was done not just after Trump’s debate performance in which he battled Fox News anchors seemingly determined to take him out but also after Friday evening comments about Kelly.

“You could see there was blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her wherever,” Trump said of Kelly during a Friday interview with CNN’s Don Lemon. Many of Trump’s competitors in the 2016 field—and Red State’s Erick Erickson, a Fox News Contributor who disinvited Trump from his weekend conference with various candidates and activists over it—took that to mean Trump was insinuating that Kelly was menstruating, but Trump later noted that he was talking about her nose.

“Trump’s support shows no evidence of slipping after he told a CNN anchor on Friday night that Kelly, one of three moderators overseeing the Fox News debate, had ‘blood coming out of her eyes. Blood coming out of her wherever,’” Morning Consult’s Reid Wilson wrote about the poll.

What’s more, Trump’s favorability ratings in this new poll skyrocketed.

“The share of Republican primary voters who say they view Trump favorably increased since the last tracking poll, to 62 percent from 57 percent,” Wilson wrote. “But the number of registered voters who say they see Trump unfavorably remains high — 52 percent of all voters say they see him in a negative light. That makes Trump both the most popular candidate within the Republican field and the least popular candidate Republicans could nominate for next year’s general election.”
Please help me get in contact with the Pats organization because I'd love to personally deflate Tom's balls.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45374 Posts
August 10 2015 23:30 GMT
#43766
I wonder whether conservatives would rather have Hillary or Bernie as our president, if they had to choose. Maybe xDaunt or other conservative TLers could weigh in?
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23743 Posts
August 10 2015 23:32 GMT
#43767
On August 11 2015 07:32 Mohdoo wrote:
I was a Bernie skeptic, but after his giant crowd here in Portland, he made a believer out of me. I really think he can dethrone Clinton.


Yeah, if rallies were votes this would already be over.

"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4921 Posts
August 10 2015 23:50 GMT
#43768
On August 11 2015 08:30 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I wonder whether conservatives would rather have Hillary or Bernie as our president, if they had to choose. Maybe xDaunt or other conservative TLers could weigh in?


I'm more concerned with who I want as the GOP nominee, and just taking on whoever the Democrat choice is. It's not like it matters to me in the end (since I won't vote for either), so I don't really think about it.
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
August 11 2015 00:04 GMT
#43769
I'd say Bernie, for the 1% chance he actually has principles and levies criminal charges against the previous two administrations.
Freeeeeeedom
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23743 Posts
August 11 2015 00:14 GMT
#43770
On August 11 2015 08:50 Introvert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2015 08:30 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I wonder whether conservatives would rather have Hillary or Bernie as our president, if they had to choose. Maybe xDaunt or other conservative TLers could weigh in?


I'm more concerned with who I want as the GOP nominee, and just taking on whoever the Democrat choice is. It's not like it matters to me in the end (since I won't vote for either), so I don't really think about it.


Who do you want as the nominee?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-11 00:36:58
August 11 2015 00:35 GMT
#43771
On August 11 2015 08:30 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I wonder whether conservatives would rather have Hillary or Bernie as our president, if they had to choose. Maybe xDaunt or other conservative TLers could weigh in?


if I had to choose I would go with Hillary. Bernie is just too far left for me. I agree with alot of the problems he talks about. But I have a really hard time getting behind many of his solutions. Economically his solutions just don't make sense to me, and involve way too much expansion of government. Hillary would be pretty bad as well, but she definitely feels less of a socialist than Bernie. I feel like Bernie would constantly be having major clashes in congress with Republicans (like that doesn't happen enough as it is under the current administration lol) Hillary would be better at playing both sides, or finding comprise when necessary whereas Bernie would seem more stubborn.
Chewbacca.
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3634 Posts
August 11 2015 00:45 GMT
#43772
On August 11 2015 08:32 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2015 07:32 Mohdoo wrote:
I was a Bernie skeptic, but after his giant crowd here in Portland, he made a believer out of me. I really think he can dethrone Clinton.


Yeah, if rallies were votes this would already be over.

https://twitter.com/NH4Bernie/status/630841599249920000


To be fair....the population of Seattle alone is like 50% of the total population of NH. Not to mention that Washington is also typically a more Democrat leaning state than NH.

killa_robot
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1884 Posts
August 11 2015 01:06 GMT
#43773
On August 11 2015 04:09 Plansix wrote:
The police know a set number of them want to get arrested for publicity and to raise awareness for their cause. If anything, it’s the duty of the police to create a safe way for that to happen for them and the protesters. It is straight up responsible policing and this is as good a ways as any.


It's the duty of the police to allow morons to waste the public's time and resources by getting arrested on purpose.

Awesome.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14104 Posts
August 11 2015 01:15 GMT
#43774
On August 11 2015 10:06 killa_robot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2015 04:09 Plansix wrote:
The police know a set number of them want to get arrested for publicity and to raise awareness for their cause. If anything, it’s the duty of the police to create a safe way for that to happen for them and the protesters. It is straight up responsible policing and this is as good a ways as any.


It's the duty of the police to allow morons to waste the public's time and resources by getting arrested on purpose.

Awesome.

Its going to happen either way and this way the publics time and resouces are wasted the least. At least take the time to understand the situation before you shit all over it.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22148 Posts
August 11 2015 01:17 GMT
#43775
On August 11 2015 10:06 killa_robot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2015 04:09 Plansix wrote:
The police know a set number of them want to get arrested for publicity and to raise awareness for their cause. If anything, it’s the duty of the police to create a safe way for that to happen for them and the protesters. It is straight up responsible policing and this is as good a ways as any.


It's the duty of the police to allow morons to waste the public's time and resources by getting arrested on purpose.

Awesome.

Its the duty of the police to keep people safe.
If people are actively trying to get arrested you make it as safe and least disrupting as possible
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 11 2015 01:42 GMT
#43776
On August 11 2015 10:06 killa_robot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2015 04:09 Plansix wrote:
The police know a set number of them want to get arrested for publicity and to raise awareness for their cause. If anything, it’s the duty of the police to create a safe way for that to happen for them and the protesters. It is straight up responsible policing and this is as good a ways as any.


It's the duty of the police to allow morons to waste the public's time and resources by getting arrested on purpose.

Awesome.

Let me tell you a story about this tea that people threw into the ocean.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45374 Posts
August 11 2015 02:44 GMT
#43777
On August 11 2015 09:35 LuckyFool wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2015 08:30 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I wonder whether conservatives would rather have Hillary or Bernie as our president, if they had to choose. Maybe xDaunt or other conservative TLers could weigh in?


if I had to choose I would go with Hillary. Bernie is just too far left for me. I agree with alot of the problems he talks about. But I have a really hard time getting behind many of his solutions. Economically his solutions just don't make sense to me, and involve way too much expansion of government. Hillary would be pretty bad as well, but she definitely feels less of a socialist than Bernie. I feel like Bernie would constantly be having major clashes in congress with Republicans (like that doesn't happen enough as it is under the current administration lol) Hillary would be better at playing both sides, or finding comprise when necessary whereas Bernie would seem more stubborn.


This is pretty much exactly what I figured. Thanks!
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
August 11 2015 02:46 GMT
#43778
Honestly anyone who thinks that the "size of the government" will be different under Hillary compared to any electable republican is out of touch.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
August 11 2015 03:04 GMT
#43779
On August 11 2015 10:42 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2015 10:06 killa_robot wrote:
On August 11 2015 04:09 Plansix wrote:
The police know a set number of them want to get arrested for publicity and to raise awareness for their cause. If anything, it’s the duty of the police to create a safe way for that to happen for them and the protesters. It is straight up responsible policing and this is as good a ways as any.


It's the duty of the police to allow morons to waste the public's time and resources by getting arrested on purpose.

Awesome.

Let me tell you a story about this tea that people threw into the ocean.


Go on...

Really, please do, I want to see how these things are connected.
Freeeeeeedom
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
August 11 2015 03:06 GMT
#43780
Quick summary of education plans (gonna ignore O'Malley, sorry)

Clinton:
-Grants to public colleges who promise to offer no loan tuition
-Will include free community college plan by Obama
-350 billion over 10 years
-Additional tax revenue by limiting deductions on high income filers
-10% of income towards student loan repayments, max

Sanders:
-Free education at 4 year public colleges
-300 billion/ year
-Institute a robin hood tax on stock transactions

Correct me if I'm missing something.

My opinion:
+ Show Spoiler +
This is very much an example of why I would vote for Hillary over Bernie. Bernie has a super lofty goal-- free education, period. Derivatives do really need some sort of regulation or restriction, and I think a tax that would effectively kill margin trading by raising tax expenses would be very effective. Two birds one stone. However, the means are impossible. There is literally no way that Wall Street would allow a tax to be placed on one of their most lucrative businesses. 300 billion annually is a huge amount to be added to the budget.

Hillary's plan is pretty good. I'm perfectly happy about it. It lowers the price tag on college to a very reasonable level-- not the "I can cover tuition by working over the summer" level, but something that won't be a crushing burden on students. The amount, 350 bill/10 years is less than a tenth over the period (Bernie's is basically uncapped). The removal of deductions is something that can be stomached by more politicians as well.

Now, what would really make me happy is if a candidate came out with a plan where he/she retroactively capped college expense or redid the aid formula and made my school give back some of my tuition.
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