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ticklishmusic
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whatisthisasheep
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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/07/17/police-4-shot-in-3-northern-maine-communities-gunman-being-sought/ This kinda stuff happening 2 days in a row is pretty bad. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States24205 Posts
On July 18 2015 02:21 Wegandi wrote: As a Paul supporter since 2007 let me tell you that meetups don't mean shit. It's nice and all you found someone you can support, but don't let the delusions seep in too deep. Paul's meetups were nowhere near the size of Bernie's even at his peak. I think Bernie's online success has really made some Paul supporters kinda sour. Bernie's issues have a much wider appeal than Paul's ever did also. | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
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Wegandi
United States2455 Posts
On July 18 2015 05:40 GreenHorizons wrote: Paul's meetups were nowhere near the size of Bernie's even at his peak. I think Bernie's online success has really made some Paul supporters kinda sour. Bernie's issues have a much wider appeal than Paul's ever did also. LMAO. Ok, whatever. That silent socialist majority. I'll be here in a year to say I told you so. | ||
KwarK
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GreenHorizons
United States24205 Posts
On July 18 2015 06:10 Wegandi wrote: LMAO. Ok, whatever. That silent socialist majority. I'll be here in a year to say I told you so. They are larger, that's just a fact. I agree crowds alone mean nothing, did Ron Paul have ~30,000 people meeting up on one day in July to organize his grassroots? Won't be surprised when Bernie draws bigger crowds in Texas than Paul and a bigger crowd in Phoenix than Trump. | ||
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Shiragaku
Hong Kong4308 Posts
On July 18 2015 05:40 GreenHorizons wrote: Paul's meetups were nowhere near the size of Bernie's even at his peak. I think Bernie's online success has really made some Paul supporters kinda sour. Bernie's issues have a much wider appeal than Paul's ever did also. It's a real shame you are not a Maoist | ||
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always_winter
United States195 Posts
Ooooooh I'm sorry Johnny, but the term we were looking for was Islamic extremism. Let's show him what he's won. Sidenote: If Texas turns out for Sanders anywhere but Austin, color me flabbergasted. Dude's got a socialist's chance in America (see ice cube's chance in hell) at swinging the Lone Star State, let alone the presidency. Don't get me wrong, dude's a G, but I wouldn't get my hopes up. We're staring down the barrel of a Dubya-esque period of socio-political stagnation, be it from the reign of Hilary or any one of the 16 (is it 17 now?) members of the crazy train. Hilary could do stuff, like over the pants stuff, but she's the kind of establishment politician this government needs to move away from. Sanders or Warren would tear dat ass apart, but they're too polarizing and one won't even run because someone else with a vagina is. Let's be real for a second: It's Hilary vs. Bush, and neither will give it to us the way we like it. | ||
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kwizach
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Bodhi
United States180 Posts
On July 18 2015 05:40 GreenHorizons wrote: Paul's meetups were nowhere near the size of Bernie's even at his peak. I think Bernie's online success has really made some Paul supporters kinda sour. Bernie's issues have a much wider appeal than Paul's ever did also. But Bernie Sanders still faces the same issue Paul did. Both have been able to attract a number of extremely passionate supporters, but neither appeals to the core of their respective parties. Bernie Sanders does not appeal to women or minorities right now and he needs huge support from both groups have a prayer at upsetting Clinton in the primary | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24205 Posts
On July 18 2015 10:16 Bodhi wrote: But Bernie Sanders still faces the same issue Paul did. Both have been able to attract a number of extremely passionate supporters, but neither appeals to the core of their respective parties. Bernie Sanders does not appeal to women or minorities right now and he needs huge support from both groups have a prayer at upsetting Clinton in the primary Bernie does in fact appeal to the base of the party on the issues, it's just a matter of informing people about the differences between him and Hillary. Who he doesn't appeal to, are the core big money interests of the Democratic party. I think it's pretty obvious why (if you've seen him speak at any significant length). On July 18 2015 09:19 always_winter wrote: Ooooooh I'm sorry Johnny, but the term we were looking for was Islamic extremism. Let's show him what he's won. Sidenote: If Texas turns out for Sanders anywhere but Austin, color me flabbergasted. Dude's got a socialist's chance in America (see ice cube's chance in hell) at swinging the Lone Star State, let alone the presidency. Don't get me wrong, dude's a G, but I wouldn't get my hopes up. We're staring down the barrel of a Dubya-esque period of socio-political stagnation, be it from the reign of Hilary or any one of the 16 (is it 17 now?) members of the crazy train. Hilary could do stuff, like over the pants stuff, but she's the kind of establishment politician this government needs to move away from. Sanders or Warren would tear dat ass apart, but they're too polarizing and one won't even run because someone else with a vagina is. Let's be real for a second: It's Hilary vs. Bush, and neither will give it to us the way we like it. Well it's in Houston (about 150 miles away from Austin) and he's holding it here if that gives you any idea.... | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States24205 Posts
On July 18 2015 13:18 Bagration wrote: It's cute how some people think that candidates like Sanders and Trump have a good chance of getting elected President. It's cute how people doubt Bernie. It's almost as if they haven't been paying attention. | ||
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Shiragaku
Hong Kong4308 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States24205 Posts
On July 18 2015 13:26 Shiragaku wrote: I do not think GreenHorizons has experienced enough disappointments in his activist career. I've just spent my whole life doing things people told me I couldn't do or wouldn't happen. I guess some fail at those more often than others. | ||
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Wegandi
United States2455 Posts
On July 18 2015 13:26 Shiragaku wrote: I do not think GreenHorizons has experienced enough disappointments in his activist career. That much is obvious. People like GH are also the most likely to burn out once reality does hit. Some folks really need to learn how to temper expectations. I've seen it plenty first-hand myself. He'll either burn-out, be reintegrated into the mainstream, or do something outside politics. Most of the activists I hang out with have done the latter with things like CopBlock, Free State Project, educational endeavors, etc. Activist efforts and money is much better spent on the local level than national politics. Anyways, we'll see how successful this 'Bernie' stuff is on the national level if they can get some congressman elected that are in line with their ideology/movement like we did with Thomas Massie, Justin Amash, etc. It's funny though how haughty he is about his movement when they have no successes yet, unlike the Paul movement. Even though I don't like Bernie much, there are a lot of things they could learn from other similar movements like Goldwater's and Paul's. The first point is be honest with their expectations. That will stop a lot of burn out. But, hey, what do I know. | ||
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DannyJ
United States5110 Posts
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LuckyFool
United States9015 Posts
I like alot of what Bernie stands for. I totally agree we need a political revolution, and many of the problems he describes are problems that we absolutely should be talking about. I love how honest and authentic he is. He's inspiring to listen to. But man, literally all of his solutions involve 100% federal government intervention. I only see an unsustainable welfare state growing exponentially under him. And he really shouldn't be saying stuff like we need to look more like Europe, especially when Greece is going under and Spain is following suit. When you say we need to look more like places that have been in economic decline for decades, I cringe. There's a reason people don't like hearing about socialism in the United States. Meanwhile I want to like someone like Scott Walker, but he's so damn boring, he's like Mitt Romney 2.0 without the gray sideburns. Sigh, why does being a conservative suck so bad lately. I've been so into following politics this cycle, but it's like 90% going to end up being Jeb vs HIllary, I doubt I'll even vote in that case. | ||
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