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On February 24 2013 07:27 McBengt wrote:
Well, I guess it's easy to ignore these issues when it will be future generations who pay price.
Yes. yes it is
On February 24 2013 07:28 corumjhaelen wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2013 07:24 sam!zdat wrote:On February 24 2013 07:23 McBengt wrote:
That's honestly a frightening thought given the scale of US industry. Yes. yes it is. we don't have independent politics. just reps and dems. there's a very strong ideological bias against independent politics. it's a very cold-war mentality we have. i have to argue with my mother, who is otherwise an intelligent woman, that because I live in Washington, and there is an electoral college, it is not in fact the case that a vote for Stein is a vote for Romney. Even when you explain to her, and she knows it is wrong, she still feels that it is somehow "wrong" to vote for a 3rd party, even though she is as much of a green as I am. That's just such a foreign concept to me, even though I've been reading stuff about US politics for 5 years I can't quite grasp it. In my country we have 3 trotskist parties with a candidate for presidential elections, and they do usually 10% cumulated...
I actually do think it's because of how strongly the cold war has impacted the american weltanshauung. americans are all secretly Manichees
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On February 24 2013 05:55 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Just goes to show how dangerous Jon Huntsman could have been if not for the Tea Party/Conservatives: Show nested quote +Former 2012 Republican presidential candidate Jon Huntsman announced his support for gay marriage Thursday, culminating an evolution of public comments on the issue.
"Today we have an opportunity to do more: conservatives should start to lead again and push their states to join the nine others that allow all their citizens to marry," Huntsman wrote in an op-ed in The American Conservative Thursday. "I’ve been married for 29 years. My marriage has been the greatest joy of my life. There is nothing conservative about denying other Americans the ability to forge that same relationship with the person they love."
He clarified that religions would not have to be forced to recognize gay marriages, but all Americans should be treated equally under the law.
Huntsman's support comes as many elected members of the Republican party decline to show support for gays and lesbians, despite the fact that more senior figures like former Vice President Dick Cheney and former RNC Chairman Ken Mehlman -- who came out as gay after leaving the post -- support gay marriage. Neither the Log Cabin Republicans nor GOProud will participate in next month's Conservative Political Action Conference. There are no gay or lesbian Republicans in Congress, though there are several in state legislatures.
Huntsman, as Utah governor, favored civil unions for gays and lesbians, but stood against gay marriage. "I believe in traditional marriage,” he said while running for the GOP presidential primary. “I don’t think you can redefine marriage from the traditional sense.” Source
Huntsman was my favorite - thanks for reopening that wound :p
On February 24 2013 07:00 Souma wrote:
What are some current major federal programs/legislation that address socioeconomic issues? So far I have the Workforce Investment Act, SNAP (food stamps), TANF/unemployment/welfare, Head Start, ACA, pell grants/financial aid, and the Healthy, Hunger-Free Kids Act.
Cataloge of Federal Domestic Assistance
Link
"CFDA contains detailed program descriptions for 2,196 Federal assistance programs."
Enjoy the data mining!
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About Huntsman, doesn't he have a kid who is also a centrist moderate? I've seen her a few times on CNN/MSNBC, she seems like a very reasonable person.
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On February 24 2013 07:35 McBengt wrote:
About Huntsman, doesn't he have a kid who is also a centrist moderate? I've seen her a few times on CNN/MSNBC, she seems like a very reasonable person.
centrist and moderate mean the exact same thing. as for "a kid he has" he has 7 children so you'll have to be a little more specific to tell if shes a democrat or republican.
I don't get the argument that a vote for a third party candidate is anything but a wasted vote. Hasn't been true in America for more then 200 years from the years of the federalists vs the dem-reps.
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my vote is wasted anyway. Nobody cares what I think about anything. Voting third party at least protests that fact.
at the very least, it creates a signal in this supposed 'democracy' of ours that I'm an unclaimed voter who cares about the environment. Either party wants me, they gotta throw a bone to the greens. Voting dem is just surrendering my interests entirely. Don't vote for THIS election - that's a chump's game. Vote for the NEXT election
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On February 24 2013 07:43 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2013 07:35 McBengt wrote:
About Huntsman, doesn't he have a kid who is also a centrist moderate? I've seen her a few times on CNN/MSNBC, she seems like a very reasonable person. centrist and moderate mean the exact same thing. as for "a kid he has" he has 7 children so you'll have to be a little more specific to tell if shes a democrat or republican. I don't get the argument that a vote for a third party candidate is anything but a wasted vote. Hasn't been true in America for more then 200 years from the years of the federalists vs the dem-reps.
Third Parties tend to absorb themselves into the two main parties and then change them within. With a few exceptions such as the Whig Party and Northern Anti-Slavery and the Federalists who just died out. Literally. But third parties have actually threatened upsets such as the Socialists in early 19th/20th century and Roosevelt's Progressive party.
EDIT: Today I learned the Whig Party is still an active albeit very small party.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Whig_Party
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"still" is misleading. it's just a new party calling itself whig
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On February 24 2013 09:58 sam!zdat wrote:
"still" is misleading. it's just a new party calling itself whig
Quiet Polecat.
+ Show Spoiler +Unwritten rule if talking about 18th century American politics one can use the slang of said era.
Indiana Republicans are advancing legislation that would require women to undergo a transvaginal ultrasound prior to an abortion, the latest in a string of efforts by state GOP lawmakers to actively discourage women from terminating their pregnancies.
The provision is tucked inside Senate Bill 371, introduced by State Sen. Travis Holdman (R), which has passed a committee. Although the legislation doesn’t specifically say transvaginal ultrasound, its criteria would effectively require it, according to the abortion rights group NARAL Pro-Choice America.
John Stutsman, an obstetrician-gynecologist and professor of medicine at Indiana University, confirmed to the Indianapolis Star that a transvaginal probe would be required.
Holdman told the Indy Star that such measures are justified to protect “another human life.” Indiana’s House, Senate and governor’s mansion are all controlled by Republicans.
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House, Senate and governor’s mansion are all controlled by Republicans.
I don't think there's any positive statement that is likely to come before or after this one.
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On February 24 2013 07:28 sam!zdat wrote:
I actually do think it's because of how strongly the cold war has impacted the american weltanshauung. americans are all secretly Manichees
This is true, especially after the McCarthyist purges and police actions (should be called the 'Hooverist' really), but the U.S. also had the most violent labor history of the industrial states, and there was substantial police action against leftists during and after the Great War. The U.S. is just an extremely capitalist and 'individualistic' society, with few communal cultural bases like many European societies do.
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^My point is about political dualism, not anti-communism.
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COLUMBIA — South Carolina, long at the back of the line in health care, wants to take the lead among states in the battle against obesity by allowing only healthy foods to be purchased with food stamps.
Gov. Nikki Haley on Thursday joined leaders of three state agencies to announce plans to seek a waiver from the federal government to change the food stamp program. Haley noted that South Carolina has the eighth highest rate of obesity among states.
“All of that is about to change, not in what we say but in actions,” Haley said. “We are going to make changes .. so we actually can see results. Then other states will say, ‘What are they doing?’ ”
Food stamps — officially the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program — are a U.S. Department of Agriculture program coordinated in the state by the Department of Social Services. In order to change what can be purchased with food stamps, the state must ask for a waiver to federal regulations. About 18 percent of the S.C. population uses food stamps.
At least 10 states or municipal governments have asked for waivers to the food stamp system in recent years. The USDA has turned down each of them. A response two years ago to a New York City request indicated it was too broad and would impact too many people.
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To waste peoples money, attention, and time on something that that 10 states have already tried and failed to do?
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On February 25 2013 06:09 Sermokala wrote:
To waste peoples money, attention, and time on something that that 10 states have already tried and failed to do?
No, to get people to eat more healthily. Makes perfect sense.
Everyone gains from people being healthy, it's a win-win.
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yeah, i give up, let's keep spending public money on hamburgers and soda for poor people, so we can turn our money attention and time to something useful, like, oh, making sure that them homos can't get hitched
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On February 25 2013 06:19 Klive5ive wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 06:09 Sermokala wrote:
To waste peoples money, attention, and time on something that that 10 states have already tried and failed to do? No, to get people to eat more healthily. Makes perfect sense. Everyone gains from people being healthy, it's a win-win.
Except the way that the state is doing it won't actually happen. 10 states have tried in the past and they've all failed. Stop thinking that ideas are good just because they're good ideas. If you can't make them work then they're not good ideas.
On February 25 2013 06:20 sam!zdat wrote:
yeah, i give up, let's keep spending public money on hamburgers and soda for poor people, so we can turn our money attention and time to something useful, like, oh, making sure that them homos can't get hitched
Lets create a food stamp program that we can't pay for and won't be used by people who will just use the money to buy soda and hamburgers anyway and spending the rest on drugs.
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On February 25 2013 06:31 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 06:20 sam!zdat wrote:
yeah, i give up, let's keep spending public money on hamburgers and soda for poor people, so we can turn our money attention and time to something useful, like, oh, making sure that them homos can't get hitched Lets create a food stamp program that we can't pay for and won't be used by people who will just use the money to buy soda and hamburgers anyway and spending the rest on drugs.
so let's create a functional educational system and tax rich people to pay for it. in this functional education system, we can teach people how to eat, like the french do, civilized people that they are. instead of teaching people to drink soda, which is literally what we are doing now (cf. Channel One)
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On February 25 2013 06:33 sam!zdat wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 06:31 Sermokala wrote:On February 25 2013 06:20 sam!zdat wrote:
yeah, i give up, let's keep spending public money on hamburgers and soda for poor people, so we can turn our money attention and time to something useful, like, oh, making sure that them homos can't get hitched Lets create a food stamp program that we can't pay for and won't be used by people who will just use the money to buy soda and hamburgers anyway and spending the rest on drugs. so let's create a functional educational system and tax rich people to pay for it. in this functional education system, we can teach people how to eat, like the french do, civilized people that they are. instead of teaching people to drink soda, which is literally what we are doing now (cf. Channel One)
We both know that the democrat party has no actual ability to make an aducation system with how far they're in the can with the teacher unions. Now you're proposing that we teach people how to eat as if the government knows whats best for them? We don't teach people to drink soda we teach them to make choices with what they eat and its not your place to say that they're making the wrong choices. If you want them to make better decisions give them better choices to make and not shitty ones.
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Uhm, since when can't we pay for food stamps? It's not like it costs a trillion dollars.
On February 24 2013 07:32 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Cataloge of Federal Domestic Assistance Link"CFDA contains detailed program descriptions for 2,196 Federal assistance programs." Enjoy the data mining!
Thanks. :D
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