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On September 10 2012 00:26 NoisyNinja wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 16:38 Sepheren wrote:
what... is... this...?
is this a troll, a non-native speaker... or a crazy person?
banelings aren't good vs. roaches at all, i don't care what other unit they're with. Upgrade your lings or go muta if you don't want to play roach vs. roach.
Look up muta builds, I know you said they were to late in tech, but that's the only common practice. Even then, you switch back into roaches. I guess you could all in with ling/bane every game. He's a troll on the battle.net forums using the same name. His kind of trolling is the kind where he just spews random bullshit out until he gets banned. This is the second account he's used on the battle.net forums (the other got banned). Everyone usually just posts KT;DR (Kyfoid thread;didn't read).
“Genius - the ability to produce fantastic amounts of equally fantastic bullshit that all makes perfect sense”. Jason Zebehazy
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On September 10 2012 00:28 AtlasMech wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2012 00:26 NoisyNinja wrote:On September 09 2012 16:38 Sepheren wrote:
what... is... this...?
is this a troll, a non-native speaker... or a crazy person?
banelings aren't good vs. roaches at all, i don't care what other unit they're with. Upgrade your lings or go muta if you don't want to play roach vs. roach.
Look up muta builds, I know you said they were to late in tech, but that's the only common practice. Even then, you switch back into roaches. I guess you could all in with ling/bane every game. He's a troll on the battle.net forums using the same name. His kind of trolling is the kind where he just spews random bullshit out until he gets banned. This is the second account he's used on the battle.net forums (the other got banned). Everyone usually just posts KT;DR (Kyfoid thread;didn't read). “Genius - the ability to produce fantastic amounts of equally fantastic bullshit that all makes perfect sense”. Jason Zebehazy
lol, I cant believe you waste time doing stuff like this. I hope you get paid for it, otherwise its just a big sloppy waste.
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On September 10 2012 00:31 LgNKami wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2012 00:28 AtlasMech wrote:On September 10 2012 00:26 NoisyNinja wrote:On September 09 2012 16:38 Sepheren wrote:
what... is... this...?
is this a troll, a non-native speaker... or a crazy person?
banelings aren't good vs. roaches at all, i don't care what other unit they're with. Upgrade your lings or go muta if you don't want to play roach vs. roach.
Look up muta builds, I know you said they were to late in tech, but that's the only common practice. Even then, you switch back into roaches. I guess you could all in with ling/bane every game. He's a troll on the battle.net forums using the same name. His kind of trolling is the kind where he just spews random bullshit out until he gets banned. This is the second account he's used on the battle.net forums (the other got banned). Everyone usually just posts KT;DR (Kyfoid thread;didn't read). “Genius - the ability to produce fantastic amounts of equally fantastic bullshit that all makes perfect sense”. Jason Zebehazy lol, I cant believe you waste time doing stuff like this. I hope you get paid for it, otherwise its just a big sloppy waste.
"Pain and foolishness lead to great bliss and complete knowledge for eternal wisdom created nothing under the sun in vein" Khalil Gibran
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On September 10 2012 00:31 LgNKami wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2012 00:28 AtlasMech wrote:On September 10 2012 00:26 NoisyNinja wrote:On September 09 2012 16:38 Sepheren wrote:
what... is... this...?
is this a troll, a non-native speaker... or a crazy person?
banelings aren't good vs. roaches at all, i don't care what other unit they're with. Upgrade your lings or go muta if you don't want to play roach vs. roach.
Look up muta builds, I know you said they were to late in tech, but that's the only common practice. Even then, you switch back into roaches. I guess you could all in with ling/bane every game. He's a troll on the battle.net forums using the same name. His kind of trolling is the kind where he just spews random bullshit out until he gets banned. This is the second account he's used on the battle.net forums (the other got banned). Everyone usually just posts KT;DR (Kyfoid thread;didn't read). “Genius - the ability to produce fantastic amounts of equally fantastic bullshit that all makes perfect sense”. Jason Zebehazy lol, I cant believe you waste time doing stuff like this. I hope you get paid for it, otherwise its just a big sloppy waste.
You just broke the cardinal rule of a Kyfoid/AtlasMech thread. Responding to him directly. Don't do that, just ignore the thread as a whole.
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defend w lings and around 8 infestors while teching up to hive and ultra infestor crackling rips roach infestor SO hard
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On September 10 2012 00:39 NoisyNinja wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2012 00:31 LgNKami wrote:On September 10 2012 00:28 AtlasMech wrote:On September 10 2012 00:26 NoisyNinja wrote:On September 09 2012 16:38 Sepheren wrote:
what... is... this...?
is this a troll, a non-native speaker... or a crazy person?
banelings aren't good vs. roaches at all, i don't care what other unit they're with. Upgrade your lings or go muta if you don't want to play roach vs. roach.
Look up muta builds, I know you said they were to late in tech, but that's the only common practice. Even then, you switch back into roaches. I guess you could all in with ling/bane every game. He's a troll on the battle.net forums using the same name. His kind of trolling is the kind where he just spews random bullshit out until he gets banned. This is the second account he's used on the battle.net forums (the other got banned). Everyone usually just posts KT;DR (Kyfoid thread;didn't read). “Genius - the ability to produce fantastic amounts of equally fantastic bullshit that all makes perfect sense”. Jason Zebehazy lol, I cant believe you waste time doing stuff like this. I hope you get paid for it, otherwise its just a big sloppy waste. You just broke the cardinal rule of a Kyfoid/AtlasMech thread. Responding to him directly. Don't do that, just ignore the thread as a whole.
This is true. He has enough grounding in philosophy to make there seem to be an air of sense about his posts, but universally, they are all theorycrafts about how Zerg is 'supposed to work' based on his own opinion that SC2 is supposed to be Rock/Paper/Scissors, and somehow the way Zerg is designed is fundamentally flawed based on philosophy. It's like staring at one of those Escher prints - it seems like it should make sense, but actually trying to come to grips with it will break your brain.
The long and the short of it is that nothing the OP suggested makes actual strategic or practical sense in a real game but you will be hard pressed to have a real conversation about it.
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You want to have a real conversation?
How about how queens are expected to eventually be used offensively due to the fact that minerals are not infinite, and queens occupy supply. Why then does zerg's true power of aggression begin with transfused ultras and broodlords since that is the time where you can best use them offensively?
Remember starcraft broodwar where there was a point category for units lost? Um yeah... guess who had the highest score for THAT category?? that's right ... me... and many times I would have the highest score for units lost because I implemented the philosophy of zerg and how their army just keeps coming and coming... but guess what, it never worked to help you get a win what so ever. It proved my aggression and I always targeted the high costing units, (gas ones).
That is why queens need a light offensive ability to use up any excess or regenerating energy for something like an acid spore that does slow damage over time with a ratio of life drained to energy spent... that way there is something of a queen offensive sense... probably not this queen range upgrade.
At least I was the winner in the category of the loser.
And that's what I would tell my opponent every time he beat lost against me.
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But I'm mainly saying that the queen needs this ability so that the queen/ling relationship can make up a cooperative whole with each other...(lings being the strong offense weak defense, queen being the weak offense strong defense)
I realized that if the queen was drawing attention to it with its + 1 armor, that people would waste hits on queens and get eaten up alive by zerglings, which is way I figured that at least 6 lings in the vicinity would share life with the queen in a proper ratio and lose life as the queen does.
The current system leaves no real incentive to target the queen, and so the ling army is targeted first, dies pretty quick, and then queens are left only to sadly waste a bit of time and money as they transfuse each other until they die.
The whole point to this is to equalize zerg in their basic army(zergling) + queens with pure marines or pure zealots.... because in broodwar we were forced to equalize with marines or zealots with sunken colonies, which had no offensive potential what so ever.
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It's a pretty creative troll guys, nothing more. Move along. Read the OP again and try to keep a straight face.
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Organize your post please.
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Give me the number of your dealer in inbox.
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I have gone through the OP 2 times and I don't see him explaining what's the deeper reason behind the queen range buff.
I think it aws meant so TVZ isn't imbalanced because otherwise I dont really see a reason for it. In PvZ the queen range buff doesn't do much tbh.
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On September 10 2012 01:33 Mondieu wrote:
I have gone through the OP 2 times and I don't see him explaining what's the deeper reason behind the queen range buff.
I think it aws meant so TVZ isn't imbalanced because otherwise I dont really see a reason for it. In PvZ the queen range buff doesn't do much tbh.
I proposed that the deeper reason may be to better target and attack observers and overseers to make better use of banes and the queen bane combo.
because banes are made from lings, and you surplus an addition 25 mineras compared to a player producing roaches...
75/25
50/25
This allows you to both save energy of your queens for transfuse, and better keep queens pumping then a player who is going roaches...
It's more difficult to both pump the queen with roach and save energy on the queens, because when banes mutate from lings, you don't have to spend as much on spawn larvae.
Therefore, the bane/queen should be an adequate combo against the roach... don't you think?
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The queen air range wasn't increased though.... Just the ground attack, check the patch notes
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On September 10 2012 01:49 PlacidPanda wrote:
The queen air range wasn't increased though....
Was this clarified on the patch notes?
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On September 10 2012 01:49 AtlasMech wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2012 01:49 PlacidPanda wrote:
The queen air range wasn't increased though.... Was this clarified on the patch notes?
Yep, queen's air range remains 7.
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On September 10 2012 01:51 PlacidPanda wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2012 01:49 AtlasMech wrote:On September 10 2012 01:49 PlacidPanda wrote:
The queen air range wasn't increased though.... Was this clarified on the patch notes? Yep, queen's air range remains 7.
Don't you realize you are getting trolled hard right in your face?
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On September 10 2012 01:12 AtlasMech wrote:
But I'm mainly saying that the queen needs this ability so that the queen/ling relationship can make up a cooperative whole with each other...(lings being the strong offense weak defense, queen being the weak offense strong defense)
I realized that if the queen was drawing attention to it with its + 1 armor, that people would waste hits on queens and get eaten up alive by zerglings, which is way I figured that at least 6 lings in the vicinity would share life with the queen in a proper ratio and lose life as the queen does.
The current system leaves no real incentive to target the queen, and so the ling army is targeted first, dies pretty quick, and then queens are left only to sadly waste a bit of time and money as they transfuse each other until they die.
The whole point to this is to equalize zerg in their basic army(zergling) + queens with pure marines or pure zealots.... because in broodwar we were forced to equalize with marines or zealots with sunken colonies, which had no offensive potential what so ever.
So do you take some shrooms or acid before being able to post like this or does it just come naturally?
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kt;dr
User was warned for this post
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