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Dubz
Profile Joined October 2010
United States242 Posts
September 09 2012 17:13 GMT
#101
This guy is the worst
" mefjupl: if this game was balanced and we would find two players with almost same skills, in mirror match there would be a draw each game"
AtlasMech
Profile Joined September 2010
United States105 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-09 17:24:50
September 09 2012 17:19 GMT
#102
I'll be honest with you guys what I don't like about the game... I don't like how the queen ling isn't the equalized force against zealot or marine, but rather, this odd unit called "the roach" is something that you have to waste gas on to counter marine or zealot.

Remember in alpha or beta when queens had deep tunnel where queens could do a slow underground sort of teleport out to any hatchery? Well that would have made perfect sense for a real philosophy of offensive defense(instead of equalizing zealot/marine out with sunkens as in broodwar)... but they removed that from the game.

So instead of being able to queen/ling which could have fulfilled the role of the sunken colony, we now have the roach that we MUST get, and the roach is probably the reason why the deep tunnel was removed from the game...

Sometimes, I feel like the queen should have been renamed the "roach queen" and unlocked the roach instead of there being a roach warren. (Compare the cost and build time of queen and roach warren, virtually identical), so zerg would lose the roach warren, unlock roaches with "The roach queen" and then roaches would only be capable of being produced by the queens spawn larvae...(not the natural larvae of the hatchery)

Compare the roach to its counter part, the marauder for example. Terran has to make a tech lab to access the marauder, in other words, it sacrifices their production capabilities for a ground to ground unit.

Zerg, however, sacrifices NO production capabilities for their ground to ground unit, the roach.

Why isn't the queen seen in the same light as the tech lab in regard to roach production?

I don't know...
Heaven is a day dream, Hell is a nightmare
DontNerfInfestors
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain280 Posts
September 09 2012 17:21 GMT
#103
OMG he got all these bites, please realize he is Kyfoid,and he has like 5 accounts.Either:
KT;DR
Trollface.jpg
Kyfoid trolling,please note
Please dont nerf them.Infestors are fine.
Cutlery
Profile Joined December 2010
Norway565 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-09 17:25:38
September 09 2012 17:24 GMT
#104
I usually aim for a ling infestor ultra lategame. Your 4th may be later than his, but not late by any means. Spines help you defend, and lings can work surprisingly well, even against high masters. And then que ultras and you're in excellent shape.

Can't vouch for this vs GMs, but then again, NesTea wouldn't be coming to me (or the open TL forum) for advice on how to fight roaches.
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