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AtlasMech
Profile Joined September 2010
United States105 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-09 07:53:12
September 09 2012 07:52 GMT
#21
Ok... so go infestors + fungal against roaches only...

I truly appreciate your advice... simple and genius. Thank you.
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navy
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada197 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-09 07:53:24
September 09 2012 07:53 GMT
#22
nvm, gl hf
Antimatterz
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1010 Posts
September 09 2012 07:53 GMT
#23
Really the reason why everyone goes Roach/Infestor in ZvZ is that it is the most efficient use of resources for the current metagame. You can viably go Mutas vs. Roach/X strats, but you have to be EXTREMELY careful to prepare just in case they allin.
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AtlasMech
Profile Joined September 2010
United States105 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-09 07:59:16
September 09 2012 07:55 GMT
#24
On September 09 2012 16:53 Antimatterz wrote:
Really the reason why everyone goes Roach/Infestor in ZvZ is that it is the most efficient use of resources for the current metagame. You can viably go Mutas vs. Roach/X strats, but you have to be EXTREMELY careful to prepare just in case they allin.


So in this game of rock paper scissors, if he goes rock... there is A CHANCE that I can hit him from above with paper...

Thank god, I almost thought that this game was somewhat weak in dynamics for a second.

I have been having some good fun playing rock paper scissors with my girlfriend lately though...

I think starcraft 2 is just too advanced for me.
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storywriter
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia528 Posts
September 09 2012 08:01 GMT
#25
every single one of OP's posts has been closed in the past, it seems.

i'm curious to see how quickly the mods get this one.
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ANoise
Profile Joined February 2011
United States67 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-09 08:05:57
September 09 2012 08:04 GMT
#26
I really don't see the queen buff coming into this very much. I think your experience with zvz roach engagements is lacking if you think you can theorycraft your way out of having to make roaches, though. You basically need to make zerglings and roaches in zvz just to survive to get anything else. At the start of the match you need lings, and you may be able to get by without making any banes. But you need roaches if the game stretches out.
I'm not saying you can't get some mutalisks or infestors (especially when you are ahead), but losing the roach numbers means you can't defend yourself from his roach numbers.

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On September 09 2012 17:01 storywriter wrote:
every single one of OP's posts has been closed in the past, it seems.

i'm curious to see how quickly the mods get this one.


I should really check post history before taking everything so serious.
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AtlasMech
Profile Joined September 2010
United States105 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-09 08:15:01
September 09 2012 08:08 GMT
#27
You know how they were debating on whether banelings should move underground or not?

Well what if the nydus worm, with its ridiculous cost... could move underground and release banelings above him...

Would this not fit properly for the cost of this unit?

And wouldn't it be an alternative way to attack roaches?


Or let's say that you fungal a group of roaches and you have banes loaded in to nydus... Couldn't there be that period of time when the exit is coming up from underground and it vulnerable, but explodes that number of banes in the nydus worm from underneath the army of roaches?


I'm thinking that... this concept is like a familiar concept to the nuke that terran has...

Maybe the nydus worm would kind of enhance the damage of the banelings as it is kind of an explosion in and of itself as it comes up from underneath the ground, and sort of enhances the damage of the banelings.
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Steelo_Rivers
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1968 Posts
September 09 2012 08:13 GMT
#28
On September 09 2012 17:08 AtlasMech wrote:
You know how they were debating on whether banelings should move underground or not?

Well what if the nydus worm, with its ridiculous cost... could move underground and release banelings above him...

Would this not fit properly for the cost of this unit?

And wouldn't it be an alternative way to attack roaches?


Or let's say that you fungal a group of roaches and you have banes loaded in to nydus... Couldn't there be that period of time when the exit is coming up from underground and it vulnerable, but explodes that number of banes in the nydus worm from underneath the army of roaches?

What league are you in? o.o
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AtlasMech
Profile Joined September 2010
United States105 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-09 08:20:06
September 09 2012 08:15 GMT
#29

What league are you in? o.o


I'm thinking that... this concept is like a familiar concept to the nuke that terran has...

Maybe the nydus worm would kind of enhance the damage of the banelings as it is kind of an explosion in and of itself as it comes up from underneath the ground, and sort of enhances the damage of the banelings in a large release....


I guess you would need to be able to cancel it so as to not waste it comepletely...
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Snake.69
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada140 Posts
September 09 2012 08:16 GMT
#30
[B]

Sometimes, I almost feel like the hydralisk den was suppose to unlock both hydras and banelings...

Do you ever feel that way?




O_o lol wtf no?
ulfryc
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany115 Posts
September 09 2012 08:30 GMT
#31
Srsly, what league are you in OP. Your post show very bad understanding of the game and include way to much theorycrafting. Also I don't get why you think there must be a rock/paper/sissor system somewhere hidden in ZvZ and you just must find the perfect counter to roaches. ling/infestor and ling/muta have shown to be viable on the highest level of play, so you're doing something wrong, when you say they don't work. Probably you are just noch a good enough player to execute them.
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askmc70
Profile Joined March 2012
United States722 Posts
September 09 2012 08:42 GMT
#32
how do i report a thread?
Ugs06
Profile Joined April 2009
United States23 Posts
September 09 2012 08:42 GMT
#33
hes in Gold. Unless this isnt him...

http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/3055590/1/AtlasMeCH/

also spinecrawlers are great vs roaches
AtlasMech
Profile Joined September 2010
United States105 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-09 08:58:34
September 09 2012 08:56 GMT
#34
On September 09 2012 17:30 ulfryc wrote:
Srsly, what league are you in OP. Your post show very bad understanding of the game and include way to much theorycrafting. Also I don't get why you think there must be a rock/paper/sissor system somewhere hidden in ZvZ and you just must find the perfect counter to roaches. ling/infestor and ling/muta have shown to be viable on the highest level of play, so you're doing something wrong, when you say they don't work. Probably you are just noch a good enough player to execute them.


Oh, I see, so starcraft 2 is a rock paper scissors game of

Air to Ground > Ground to Ground
Ground to Air > Air to Ground
Ground to Ground > Ground to Air


So this is the amazing rock paper scissors system huh?

While all other units like zerglings are just particularly designed for buildings as they run past opponent, and banes truly only particlarly designed for workers...

It seems that there really only is a select small number of units that are part of the rock paper scissors system.

I kind of had the vision of a rock paper scissors system with in a rock paper scissors system that was a "Simplicity as the Ultimate Sophistication" leonardo Da Vinci

I leave you now with plato.

“Beauty of style which is determined by harmony, grace, and good rhythm depends on simplicity, I mean the true simplicity of a rightly and nobly ordered mind and character, not that other simplicity which is only a euphemism for folly." - Plato

It seems that starcraft 2 is the wrong kind of simplicity for me and Da Vinci... it is the simple one.

Sorry for wasting your time... peace.

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AtlasMech
Profile Joined September 2010
United States105 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-09 09:08:25
September 09 2012 09:08 GMT
#35
Oh and I'll leave you with one last quote from Plato...

"Love is a serious mental disease" - Plato

With that said, I wonder who is truly has a passion and love for this game.

Not that hard to figure out....
Heaven is a day dream, Hell is a nightmare
Ugs06
Profile Joined April 2009
United States23 Posts
September 09 2012 09:29 GMT
#36
what.... what just happened? Did a Gold player just defend his ineptitude with philosophy?
dreamseller
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
Australia914 Posts
September 09 2012 09:35 GMT
#37
the OP is DRG

8/10 for this thread.

possibly this is a troll involving the "queendralisk" mentality; the OP seeks to involve queens as a viable offensive unit in what is obviously not a viable role as a spinoff of its excellent (some say OP in early game) defensive abilities

the philosophy quotes and much of the other replies should be treated as banter and red herring type fallacies of argument but prove to be entertaining nonetheless, and there are few people in the world who could not benefit from reading Plato and for that at least I thank the OP
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methematics
Profile Joined August 2010
United States392 Posts
September 09 2012 09:43 GMT
#38
decent troll thread. . . anyone wanna take bets on when the mods close this nonsense?
Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
September 09 2012 09:52 GMT
#39
Here is my Plato quote: "Do not use banelings to counter roaches, it will never work. And do not post stupid threads on a forum, when you have no clue about the game." -Plato
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Denzil
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom4193 Posts
September 09 2012 10:05 GMT
#40
ling infestor into ultra is a pretty good tactic to beat any sort of roach heavy style

you just need to buy time for the 3/3 + ultras or trade cost efficently enough to hold out until then
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