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GregMandel
France822 Posts
On September 04 2012 00:53 canikizu wrote: Maybe it was my bad hearing, but I only heard Navi Navi instead of iG iG when iG won the finals. I remember some booing because of Naga siren's ulti in the middle of teamfights. Fuck this ult x) | ||
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GogoKodo
Canada1785 Posts
On September 04 2012 00:34 Talron wrote: I probably expressed myself a bit unfortunate there. Just look for yourself: Now tell me how this isn't shitty, not to say disrespectful, behaviour towards iG. Each Na´Vi player was being nice, shaking hands & congratulating, while the crowd is full of immate fanboys, not aknowledging iG's performance at all. Now refer back to the WDC video of Na´Vi vs DK, which obviously was held in China. Remember: iG won the freaking TI2. Na´Vi just took a single game of DK in the quarterfinals and the crowd wasn't even the same size. What? I saw nothing shitty or disrespectful here. Seriously. People cheering the end of the game. People cheering for the team when Gabe announcement made. People chanting IG. People chanting China (probably mostly the Chinese in the audience I guess). People cheering again at holding up the shield. | ||
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Talron
Germany7651 Posts
On September 04 2012 00:46 hacklebeast wrote: Again, you are complaining that the crowd favorite got more cheering than the other team. People have favorite teams. People cheer louder for those favorite teams. People don't cheer as loud when their favorite team is beaten. That's not some grave miscarriage of the competitive spirit, that's just the way sports (and esports) work. Okay let me say it like this: Even if Na´Vi are crowd favorite. If they would have lost to CLG in the grand finals for example, they would have been going wild. Thath's at least how I see it. | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On September 04 2012 01:26 Acertos wrote: U can say whatever u want but if they were to even speak a word of english they would have gotten a lot more fans with this tournament like he says MC has been since the beginning of his career scratching english in interviews, tournaments after tournaments he would speak in english and at the end of day he's the most popular korean among the foreign community. You can't ask for cheers when there is no kills for minutes and that the players seems so out of place, u can be shy but its like being disrespectful to the crowd. In in the offline event of the Iron Squid it was only koreans and it went rly well even in TvT and ZvZ. In the olympics every champion does multiple interviews and even if they dont know english ( and a large majority bothered to learn it) they always put scratch of it at the end. Perhaps the organisation was at fault too, they should have done the interviews at stage and not in a robot like fashion but u can't blame for audience for not responding to good plays if they seem to be executed by aliens who cannot communicate with you on any manner and dont even give a sign that they want to. I think you have to realize that the English proficency of many Chinese and Koreans are quite limited. Although English might not be a native language for a lot of foreigners pros, they are much better than the Chinese and Koreans. By your reasoning, if TI3 were to be held in China next year, I expect all the foreigners teams to try to speak Chinese in their interviews? Honestly, the most you will get is maybe a hello and thanks which most Korean and Chinese pros do say when they are on stage. | ||
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cilinder007
Slovenia7251 Posts
On September 04 2012 01:46 Talron wrote: Okay let me say it like this: Even if Na´Vi are crowd favorite. If they would have lost to CLG in the grand finals for example, they would have been going wild. Thath's at least how I see it. so ? if they dont want to go wild because iG won, so what ? | ||
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snarl
Canada812 Posts
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AREUHAPPYNOW
Sweden1 Post
And about the crowd, to me it sounds like they are chanting iG and they cheer a lot as well, so the crowd wasnt disrespectfull at all. | ||
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snarl
Canada812 Posts
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Capped
United Kingdom7236 Posts
On September 04 2012 02:02 AREUHAPPYNOW wrote: One of the reasons to like dendi is that he is humble (he himself thinks he's the most overrated player), he has been in a top team since earlier than 2010. 2010 he was in DTS and knocked out EHOME from groupstages at a chinese tournament. And about the crowd, to me it sounds like they are chanting iG and they cheer a lot as well, so the crowd wasnt disrespectfull at all. Im not from the dota scene, nor have i ever played alot of it, but all i hear about dendi makes me think he is a cocky twat, like, everything i see about him portrays this lol. I browse Dota forums and news etc and see this. For instance, in this thread there is him dancing across stage before he even plays his games, If you were on the other team, what would you think? Like i said, not from the dota scene but it really comes across this way for me / outsiders. Maybe ive seen and heard the wrong information! | ||
ZeromuS
Canada13429 Posts
On September 04 2012 02:08 Capped wrote: Im not from the dota scene, nor have i ever played alot of it, but all i hear about dendi makes me think he is a cocky twat, like, everything i see about him portrays this lol. I browse Dota forums and news etc and see this. For instance, in this thread there is him dancing across stage before he even plays his games, If you were on the other team, what would you think? Like i said, not from the dota scene but it really comes across this way for me / outsiders. Maybe ive seen and heard the wrong information! From everything I've seen, he just seems kinda goofy :/ | ||
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jax1492
United States1632 Posts
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GogoKodo
Canada1785 Posts
On September 04 2012 01:54 snarl wrote: Watching Navi play Naga Siren was hilarious. When Chinese teams used her and her Ult it was met with unrelenting BOO's, but when Navi used her ult you could tell the crowd was going "wait, are we supposed to boo or cheer?" rofl They did boo Navi's naga ult at least once that I recall, when it was used to sleep and just get the hell out. There was also another instance, the big sleep, vacuum, ravage that got turned around by Navi vs iG in that game before the grand finals where the sleep wasn't booed. | ||
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
Gogokodo: Exactly, when the naga ult is used offensively, it's very different. In that Navi vs iG game in semifinals, you could hear the gasps as it looked like Navi were completely caught out, which turned into cheers when they turn it around. | ||
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Scio
Germany522 Posts
On September 04 2012 01:46 Talron wrote: Okay let me say it like this: Even if Na´Vi are crowd favorite. If they would have lost to CLG in the grand finals for example, they would have been going wild. Thath's at least how I see it. An american team would have gotten more applause than a chinese team from a crowd in seattle? NO WAY! The point is (western) people cant identify themselves with the chinese teams because they show no personality or any signs of willingness to communicate with the crowd. Just take MC for example. His english is bad but he doesnt care and still tries to communicate with the western fans while even showing his personality. I have no doubt that if chinese dota players would act the same they would get to hear louder cheering at live events. As long as that doesnt happen you cant really expect the crowd to go wild just because iG won. Most people dont cheer for the best team they want the team they can identify with to win. | ||
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Skiblet
South Africa206 Posts
Just let people love who they love and just face the fact that Dendi IS the most popular Dota 2 player, and on top of that is EXCELLENT at the game, and streams almost every single day. I see no problem with a player who loves dota, and practices his ass off in it as a 'celebrity' in the dota community | ||
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docvoc
United States5491 Posts
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synapse
China13814 Posts
On September 04 2012 01:48 cilinder007 wrote: so ? if they dont want to go wild because iG won, so what ? Na'vi gets applause for taking any tower or kill, while iG gets nothing (or even boos sometimes). How would you feel if you were iG? | ||
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superstartran
United States4013 Posts
And the argument of Na'vi being more entertaining is hilarious, especially considering Navi ran Anti-Mage at least something like 8 times this entire tournament (and a vast majority of his usage was in the WB finals against other Chinese teams). And it's not just the fact that there's not enough coverage; there's coverage. It was being displayed during the tournament. Except everyone pretty much stopped watching (look at the numbers, when IG vs LGD came up, the ingame client numbers and the stream numbers dropped off tremendously). It's that people are holding a certain bias against them for really no reason at all. | ||
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adi_hsd
Romania74 Posts
dota is a game where being pumped up elevates your game alot. imagine if your teammates does some insane move in a teamfight it makes your whole team go insane over it. that gives you alot of confidence and you play better. just imagine being one of na'vi knowing that whatever happens during pick stages dendi is there mid as an anchor in case anything goes wrong. | ||
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Acertos
France852 Posts
On September 04 2012 01:47 vthree wrote: I think you have to realize that the English proficency of many Chinese and Koreans are quite limited. Although English might not be a native language for a lot of foreigners pros, they are much better than the Chinese and Koreans. By your reasoning, if TI3 were to be held in China next year, I expect all the foreigners teams to try to speak Chinese in their interviews? Honestly, the most you will get is maybe a hello and thanks which most Korean and Chinese pros do say when they are on stage. Well, i think u miss the point that english is the internationnal language, i can speak with you when we are miles apart and i think its amazing, we can understand eachother regardless of the country we live in. Its one of the good things about being a gamer u get way better in english and u get to be friends with people from other countries. If u dont share 1 similar language with someone its rly hard to get to know them / to like them (and always distant because its translation, without the human feeling). So in my opinion if at least 1 person in each of the chinese team could speak english not even fluently it would be amazing and would up their popularity a lot. Imagine all the jokes / misunderstandings / strange and funny accents, thats what builds up charisma. U can also add the attitude, a huge smile and a funny ceremony is always better than nothing. The chinese teams did nothing of that and if TI3 were to be in China, i don't exept foreigners to speak chinese. But i exept them to niha and not to be expresionless, smile when they cross the fans and put on a rly good image ! They won't look like antisocial expressionless nerds like half of the world want gamers to be but be cheerful, funny and cool. | ||
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