EPTwhy all these dendi / navi' fanboys? - Page 16
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TNO_
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TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
On September 03 2012 21:05 CountChocula wrote: Yeah, I'm sure that's exactly how it is in China... Chinese e-sports audience seems much more cultured and actually cheers for the away team when they do well like when Na`Vi traveled to China for WDC 2011. Check out the ending moments of when Na`Vi took a playoff match against DK with Dendi Pudge. TBF, even the Chinese commentary talked about how exciting foreign Dota is in the background of Chinese Dota. That isn't to say that Chinese Dota can't be exciting. Game 1 between LGD and iG was an awesome game and it finished with a stunning reversal. Game 2 and Game 3 not so much. Some of the other games that the Chinese played, such as EHOME's tiny is was fun as well. I find the boredom comes from AM vs Morphling farmfests. The real difference between Navi and the chinese teams is exposure. The Navi games are more accessible than the Chinese ones. The fact that Navi was the only western team that could stand against the Chinese teams + Show Spoiler + defeated DK, iG, LGD in Bo3 Also iG is impressive, if there are three teams coming out of China that can play the level of iG and maintain aggressiveness, then even Chinese dota will be fun to watch. | ||
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kethers
United States719 Posts
Also, not a fan of Chinese teams? OK, I get that, but boo-ing them on stage? Not very cool. It even came to a point where during the intermission between games 2GD had to remind fans to be respectable and not boo the Chinese teams. Even Godz highlighted that it was obvious that the commentators favored Na'Vi. A lot of Chinese DotA is based on the perfection of execution, strategy, and positioning as opposed to "flashy" play. While it may not be the most "exciting," those games that seemed like 1-sided stomp (iG vs Na'Vi WB G1) are the games that impress me the most because it shows a strategy that was executed to perfection. And just from watching that video, you can tell that the crowd is literally dead silent, while everyone knows that if it was Na'Vi who just did the ass-kicking, the crowd would be going ape-shit. | ||
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TNO_
14 Posts
On September 03 2012 23:08 kethers wrote: The amount of anti-Chinese sentiment from the crowd was up to an uncomfortable point for me to see. [...] Also, not a fan of Chinese teams? OK, I get that, but boo-ing them on stage? Not very cool. I can understand the commentator / crowd bias, Na'Vi were the most popular team in the tourney after all. Did people really boo the Chinese teams on stage? That's horrible if that happened. Is there any footage of this happening? | ||
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Immer[Forever]
Sweden278 Posts
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
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fearus
China2164 Posts
On September 03 2012 21:49 1Dhalism wrote: I've never watched Dota before, tell me this, do asian teams act like they do in SC2? I.E. don't bother to learn english? In that case, they are themselves at fault for alienating the audience. Dendi doesn't speak english. Stephano doesn't speak english. Most foreigners don't speak English. And yet they do because they are part of the community. People like MC try to string a couple of words together, and the crowd goes wild. Because he didn't just come to take their money, he came to be part of the community and entertain. I was bolding the bad parts of your post to respond to but I ended up bolding the whole thing. | ||
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Talron
Germany7651 Posts
On September 03 2012 23:23 TNO_ wrote: I can understand the commentator / crowd bias, Na'Vi were the most popular team in the tourney after all. Did people really boo the Chinese teams on stage? That's horrible if that happened. Is there any footage of this happening? From what I've seen the boo'ing was pretty much everytime a team used Naga Siren SotS. Later in grand finals, when XBOCT used SotS the boo'ing was clearly not as loud. What disturbed me the most about the audience was after iG won and the trophy was handed over, there was just minor cheering from the majority of them. Nobody acknowledging iG's performance at all, just showed how ignorant some fans are. I can assure, that if Na´Vi won everyone there would have been going wild. This is just wrong in so many ways. | ||
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hacklebeast
United States5090 Posts
On September 03 2012 23:56 Talron wrote: From what I've seen the boo'ing was pretty much everytime a team used Naga Siren SotS. Later in grand finals, when XBOCT used SotS the boo'ing was clearly not as loud. What disturbed me the most about the audience was after iG won and the trophy was handed over, there was just minor cheering from the majority of them. Nobody acknowledging iG's performance at all, just showed how ignorant some fans are. I can assure, that if Na´Vi won everyone there would have been going wild. This is just wrong in so many ways. People would have cheered louder if the team they were rooting for won? A most heinous crime to be sure! | ||
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canikizu
4860 Posts
On September 04 2012 00:07 hacklebeast wrote: People would have cheered louder if the team they were rooting for won? A most heinous crime to be sure! What he meant was people still should have courtesy and manner to the team who actually won. Maybe I need to rewatch it, but if I remember it right, there was booing when iG won the final game too. | ||
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gaymon
Germany1023 Posts
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Talron
Germany7651 Posts
People would have cheered louder if the team they were rooting for won? A most heinous crime to be sure! I probably expressed myself a bit unfortunate there. Just look for yourself: Now tell me how this isn't shitty, not to say disrespectful, behaviour towards iG. Each Na´Vi player was being nice, shaking hands & congratulating, while the crowd is full of immate fanboys, not aknowledging iG's performance at all. Now refer back to the WDC video of Na´Vi vs DK, which obviously was held in China. Remember: iG won the freaking TI2. Na´Vi just took a single game of DK in the quarterfinals and the crowd wasn't even the same size. | ||
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1Dhalism
862 Posts
On September 03 2012 23:47 fearus wrote: I was bolding the bad parts of your post to respond to but I ended up bolding the whole thing. that is not a proper way to converse with people, especially since what i point out is pretty basic psychology and i even used examples that are familiar to us all to illustrate my point. | ||
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hacklebeast
United States5090 Posts
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canikizu
4860 Posts
On September 04 2012 00:30 gaymon wrote: There was no booing, crowd was chanting IG. Maybe it was my bad hearing, but I only heard Navi Navi instead of iG iG when iG won the finals. | ||
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hacklebeast
United States5090 Posts
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nosliw
United States2716 Posts
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kaykaykay
Singapore637 Posts
None of them felt offended, i'm sure. Just too ecstatic for words. | ||
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DodgySmalls
Canada158 Posts
So lets break down your post (Aww, I realized that you really only put one paragraph about the topic): my question is, why na'vi, and why dendi in particular? there are many good players, some of them, in my opinion, are far better than dendi. yet from what i've read, it seems like dendi is getting so much more attention that he deserves... did i miss out on something significant he did, or are european / americans just less conscious of the pro-chinese-dota players? or have the chinese teams less dominant now? from what i know, seems like DK and LGD are still doing pretty well... This is a complicated question, I think you are thinking to yourself that the answer is simple. >People must be hopping aboard a band-wagon You make two arguments: 1) Dendi isn't the "best" player. 2) Chinese teams are really good as well. Both of these statements are complete idiocy. 1) People will quantify players however they desire, it's not up to you to decide for everyone else that others are better than him. You simply cannot say that ferrari_430 is better than Dendi, they are both excellent players. Claiming one is more skilled than the other is nonsensical because in a team game, there's no real way of proving it either way. 2) I do not want to root for purely chinese teams. (In SC2 I have favourite foreigners, and favourite Koreans). The reasons for this vary from person to person, but it is not racist to do so. Chinese teams do not play in as many leagues that I watch, therefore I know less about them, and therefore I care less. Chinese teams show FAR less team spirit and emotion in the tournament, similiar to most Korean starcraft players. Chinese teams dominate the top levels of competition, I enjoy cheering for the underdog. I'm sure there are many more reasons why it's completely justified to root for someone other than the "best" team, which often ends up being asian in esports. And to say someone who is cheering for a team other than the "best" team (again let me say that using the term 'best' in the manner you do is complete idiocy) is a "fanboy" is completely ignorant. The reason why there are so many Na`Vi "fanboys" is simple, it's the same reason why many people cheer for EG in Dota2 and in SC2. Some people have different values than you. Not everyone cares about the same things as you, you cannot say "I think this is what makes the best team, therefore everyone should like the same things as me." People like Na`Vi because they are good players, who do fun things and entertain, who are capable of winning tournaments, who embody the non-chinese dota scene. You're a fucking moron for saying people can't like whatever team they want, and making the blanket statement that everyone who likes Na`Vi is a fanboy is equally ignorant. Dendi IS NOT the Flash of Dota2, but he's an outstanding player. The fact that you think you can quantify other players as being better and expect everyone to agree with you displays your ignorance more than anything else. I don't care if you've played dota for 27 years, and have won more money than every other player combined based on your amazing skills, no single person has the ability or right to declare which players are better than others. Was writing this worth my time? Probably not, I doubt you'll even read it. I put the important part in bold so you get the gist. Please think before you write in the future. User was warned for this post | ||
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Acertos
France852 Posts
On September 03 2012 23:47 fearus wrote: I was bolding the bad parts of your post to respond to but I ended up bolding the whole thing. U can say whatever u want but if they were to even speak a word of english they would have gotten a lot more fans with this tournament like he says MC has been since the beginning of his career scratching english in interviews, tournaments after tournaments he would speak in english and at the end of day he's the most popular korean among the foreign community. You can't ask for cheers when there is no kills for minutes and that the players seems so out of place, u can be shy but its like being disrespectful to the crowd. In in the offline event of the Iron Squid it was only koreans and it went rly well even in TvT and ZvZ. In the olympics every champion does multiple interviews and even if they dont know english ( and a large majority bothered to learn it) they always put scratch of it at the end. Perhaps the organisation was at fault too, they should have done the interviews at stage and not in a robot like fashion but u can't blame for audience for not responding to good plays if they seem to be executed by aliens who cannot communicate with you on any manner and dont even give a sign that they want to. | ||
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