EPTOn September 02 2012 12:18 GeneralStan wrote:
Besides his mind blowingly awesome play, there's this . . .
OPPA DENDI STYLE
Besides his mind blowingly awesome play, there's this . . .
OPPA DENDI STYLE
This was soooo funny!
why all these dendi / navi' fanboys? - Page 14
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Flamingo777
United States1190 Posts
This was soooo funny! | ||
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Spykiller
Norway87 Posts
However what i really like about Na'Vi is that whenever they seem behind(and lets face it, they were behind in almost all games today, at least the ones i saw) they still pull some rabbit out of the hat with that crazy teamfight coordination. I was so sure they were losing to LGD, but from behind they came back and won. In the finals i think iG played brilliant. That disruptor changed everything. iG deserved the win but i was a bit sad that "my" team didnt win. Dendi makes some insane plays that sometimes work and sometimes fail, and he is really funny, like in the interwiev before winners bracket final. All in all what im trying to say is, I hope the Chinese scene doesent make a leap away from the western, because then DOTA will be boring. Not because Chinese teams play boring DOTA but because it will be THEIR game, and we get to borrow it, like it feels in SC2 now for me. I hope we can have in DOTA what we had in WC3 in its big days, when we had a lot of foreigners doing very good, and standing toe to toe with the Chinese and Korean players. It makes the tournaments more exciting | ||
saocyn
United States937 Posts
someone mentioned earlier that IG got into puppey's head, and it was absolutely true for the final game, but i also believe the arrogance of puppey was his undoing. in a interview BEFORE the grand finals, puppey stated "you will have to play against naga and those imbalanced heroes" he ate his own words as he picked the very heroes he didn't want to face, and LOST with them. he stated something along the lines of, you will eventually have to play them and be able to adapt, navi did NOT adapt. in fact they were GIVEN, both naga and darkseer first and 2nd game. lost first BADLY and won second right back. when he had given them to IG in the final 2 games, he couldn't find an answer. and he pretty much dug his own coffin by giving ferarri his TA on top of naga and darkseer while not even drafting 1 aoe. i will say credits to navi though, for their spectcular play in making LITTLE seem like ALOT. there are just many compositions where, if your skill level is about equal there should be NO WAY in hell do you win or even remotely kill 2-3 of the carrys. and they did just that in the final game where they made it seem like they had a chance, vs a pure AOE team with single spell target heroes. realistically speaking execution wise from naga's song, to dark seer's vaccum to instant wall and tide's ulti should be a 100% GG every single time no matter how good you are, but somehow they managed. and to those only speaking on the terms of Na'Vi beating chinese teams in winners, did you guys forget prelims? navi lost to nearly every asian team, so despite beating them later on in winners, the score was practically even, if not more so in favor of the chinese. they were literally 1 game away from being shoved into losers, which we have seen time and time again, navi does lose those games vs teams like zenith, dk, etc. On September 03 2012 16:53 Spykiller wrote: All in all what im trying to say is, I hope the Chinese scene doesent make a leap away from the western, because then DOTA will be boring. Not because Chinese teams play boring DOTA but because it will be THEIR game, and we get to borrow it, like it feels in SC2 now for me. I hope we can have in DOTA what we had in WC3 in its big days, when we had a lot of foreigners doing very good, and standing toe to toe with the Chinese and Korean players. It makes the tournaments more exciting while i do agree somewhat? this is far too much about the western scene which is the very thing that i believe blindsided USA / European dota. I always believed the best deserve to be crowned the best, and i feel while navi "were" the best, they got comfortable. there was also alot of overconfidence coming from navi and the western scene in general, which made them stop innovating and being as hungry to get better overall and improve the current dota scene. literally no one in the western dota scene found an answer to morph which all the chinese went to, and wasted a ban because they couldn't figure out a proper answer. while all ehome did was farm a tiny to counter that. and i don't agree this about being they're thing. if they are the current champions and absolute best, it means you have to go over to china and take it, not them coming here. it's the same in sc2. while you may not watch it anymore, i watch and support every MVP game and most MLG's and avoid all MLG's that contain only foreigners because i understand, there is no point to crown a champion who didn't beat the best to earn it and therefore boring to watch. simply put, if you love DOTA for what dota represents, you should be supporting the current best team, not a team just because they're the same race or overhyped. i'm not going to go into race issues but, there has been alot of blind bias towards navi even for USA, claiming NAVI as their own even though there is literally no association, which makes me think, people aren't here to cheer for the better team, they're here for trying to disprove that Chinese dota is better at any cost for whatever team who can do so. there were also various comments made by tobi on the cast referring to "the chink in their armor" repeatedly. i mean i love tobi as much as the next guy, but when he brought that term up time and time again when he casted, it made me believe alot of the audience weren't there to witness who was truly the best, but just to try and prove the chinese were inferior. none the less, when navi can hold a undefeated winning streak purely in the west without them getting pushed to earn it, it makes me think they're avoiding the best. no dota team should be undefeated for nearly a year if they're on par and are playing people of the same skill level. this is why i love the international, everyone plays on fair grounds and navi has actually for once, been pushed to prove themselves. | ||
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Reivax
Sweden214 Posts
You don't like Na'vi, that's fine, but its not cool to flame others for liking them. Flame them all you want but saying things like "you should like HIM instead" is dumb. You mentioned you like MVP and support him, do you think it'd be cool if people said that he isn't the unbeatable beast he once was (my opinion), and that DRG is probably the more overall solid player (again, my opinion), so you should go like him instead (not my opinion but basically what you're saying about Dendi & Na'vi)? | ||
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PHILtheTANK
United States1834 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + I'm so glad aomeone shared this, as I hadn't seen it before. Saved it in favorites haha. The crowd reaction was freakin awesome, Dendi getting all fired up, and the best part was just that smile on LoH's face.... just amazing. | ||
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Reivax
Sweden214 Posts
On September 03 2012 17:39 PHILtheTANK wrote: While Na'Vi isn't my favorite team, and Dendi isn't even my favorite Na'Vi player, I definitely understand the appeal, and he is quite fun to watch. While he may not best mid player in the world(or even in the West), he is extremely entertaining to watch and also shows off his emotions so much, which is pretty damn sweet. + Show Spoiler + I'm so glad aomeone shared this, as I hadn't seen it before. Saved it in favorites haha. The crowd reaction was freakin awesome, Dendi getting all fired up, and the best part was just that smile on LoH's face.... just amazing. Oh this video. Just wow. I fucking love esports. | ||
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Vaelone
Finland4400 Posts
On September 03 2012 16:57 saocyn wrote: simply put, if you love DOTA for what dota represents, you should be supporting the current best team, not a team just because they're the same race or overhyped. Thats not simply put at all, are you saying that everyone should root for the current best team ignoring everything else? Thats not how being a sports or e-sports fan works. I root for my local hockey team, I root for my country in sports and I root for the entertaining and strong european team that Na'Vi is. This doesn't get dramatically changed by Ferrari/IG outplaying Dendi/Na'Vi in a couple matches. And what the fuck exactly does DotA represent? | ||
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OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
As for Dendi. He speaks English which is always going to be a strong thing. It's easier to identify with a player you can understand, it just is. He's very skilled, he's fun, he screws around a lot on his stream just to have fun. He's MEGA aggressive, on his stream he'll do stuff that seems like sheer suicide, that's just how he is. During TI2 there were times when you'd think they're screwed and Dendi just says "fuck it, go time!" and holy shit apparently we're doing this! He plays a very sort of high risk high reward style. When its going his way he's terrifying, when its not it just falls to pieces. He's just a likeable guy, how do can you not like or at the very least respect him? Oh yeah, and his Pudge is disgusting =) | ||
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fearus
China2164 Posts
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writer22816
United States5775 Posts
It's true that watching LGD vs IG for example there was a lot of farming and very little fighting. However blaming this on the players is just silly. I never saw anyone farming and blatantly refusing to fight for no reason at all. All I saw was intelligent and safe playing in order to compound one team's advantage. I bet the people complaining about chinese farming are probably also stupid enough to turn around and complain about other teams who play "entertaining good dota" throwing away games. If i have a 10k gold lead and I siege the high ground, force buybacks and all the heroes on my team are on low health, you can bet I'm going to back the hell off and farm to compound my advantage instead of staying and risking the chance of getting team wiped and throwing. Lastly don't hate the player, hate the game. If a hero like AM is one of the strongest carries used in competitive dota then it's no surprise that we're going to be seeing a lot of farmfests. If you don't like this kind of playing then you should file your complaints towards Icefrog instead of the players, they are playing to win and not to entertain. | ||
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Fualtier
260 Posts
You like to see only the best players, that's fine. 'You should support the current best team' is laughable. | ||
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Ultrapwnage
126 Posts
On September 03 2012 16:57 saocyn wrote: ok, ok settle down. that was just my back fire to blow the cloud of shit smoke you guys surrounded yourselves with to make dendi appear like a god. he's not. while it is commendable of what na'vi did, in fact amazing actually, the truth is dendi choked HARD in the finals. ferarri was the MOST consistent solo mid player and he is the one you should all be praising. someone mentioned earlier that IG got into puppey's head, and it was absolutely true for the final game, but i also believe the arrogance of puppey was his undoing. in a interview BEFORE the grand finals, puppey stated "you will have to play against naga and those imbalanced heroes" he ate his own words as he picked the very heroes he didn't want to face, and LOST with them. he stated something along the lines of, you will eventually have to play them and be able to adapt, navi did NOT adapt. in fact they were GIVEN, both naga and darkseer first and 2nd game. lost first BADLY and won second right back. when he had given them to IG in the final 2 games, he couldn't find an answer. and he pretty much dug his own coffin by giving ferarri his TA on top of naga and darkseer while not even drafting 1 aoe. i will say credits to navi though, for their spectcular play in making LITTLE seem like ALOT. there are just many compositions where, if your skill level is about equal there should be NO WAY in hell do you win or even remotely kill 2-3 of the carrys. and they did just that in the final game where they made it seem like they had a chance, vs a pure AOE team with single spell target heroes. realistically speaking execution wise from naga's song, to dark seer's vaccum to instant wall and tide's ulti should be a 100% GG every single time no matter how good you are, but somehow they managed. and to those only speaking on the terms of Na'Vi beating chinese teams in winners, did you guys forget prelims? navi lost to nearly every asian team, so despite beating them later on in winners, the score was practically even, if not more so in favor of the chinese. they were literally 1 game away from being shoved into losers, which we have seen time and time again, navi does lose those games vs teams like zenith, dk, etc. while i do agree somewhat? this is far too much about the western scene which is the very thing that i believe blindsided USA / European dota. I always believed the best deserve to be crowned the best, and i feel while navi "were" the best, they got comfortable. there was also alot of overconfidence coming from navi and the western scene in general, which made them stop innovating and being as hungry to get better overall and improve the current dota scene. literally no one in the western dota scene found an answer to morph which all the chinese went to, and wasted a ban because they couldn't figure out a proper answer. while all ehome did was farm a tiny to counter that. and i don't agree this about being they're thing. if they are the current champions and absolute best, it means you have to go over to china and take it, not them coming here. it's the same in sc2. while you may not watch it anymore, i watch and support every MVP game and most MLG's and avoid all MLG's that contain only foreigners because i understand, there is no point to crown a champion who didn't beat the best to earn it and therefore boring to watch. simply put, if you love DOTA for what dota represents, you should be supporting the current best team, not a team just because they're the same race or overhyped. i'm not going to go into race issues but, there has been alot of blind bias towards navi even for USA, claiming NAVI as their own even though there is literally no association, which makes me think, people aren't here to cheer for the better team, they're here for trying to disprove that Chinese dota is better at any cost for whatever team who can do so. there were also various comments made by tobi on the cast referring to "the chink in their armor" repeatedly. i mean i love tobi as much as the next guy, but when he brought that term up time and time again when he casted, it made me believe alot of the audience weren't there to witness who was truly the best, but just to try and prove the chinese were inferior. none the less, when navi can hold a undefeated winning streak purely in the west without them getting pushed to earn it, it makes me think they're avoiding the best. no dota team should be undefeated for nearly a year if they're on par and are playing people of the same skill level. this is why i love the international, everyone plays on fair grounds and navi has actually for once, been pushed to prove themselves. I actually agree with all of the points you made, it really feels like some people are trying to disprove that chinese dota is better at any cost, which makes me kinda sad. In all honesty, I like the team Navi, but I hate the fanbase they have. Most of their fans have started watching dota 2 from the first international, and since navi dominated dota 2 while the chinese were busy playing dota 1, some desperate fans are unable to admit even one good play from the chinese, simply because they dont want to see the truth: navi is not the best team in the world, there are actually a lot of other good teams out there. Bad thing about that is, most of those good teams come from one country, which leads to a lot of racism. | ||
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
On September 03 2012 18:11 fearus wrote: Op confuses me, I can guarantee you that dendi/navi isn't really seen in god like status back over in the Chinese forums, which is like 60% of the scene and player base. This! plus who wouldn't like Navi/dendi after watching TI2 lol | ||
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Bashnek
Australia895 Posts
Post-TI2, i know exactly why, they're a great team. like holy shiznit they're good at this game, and they seem so happy and go-lucky in interviews, they jus come off as really positive and happy people, doing what they love. +Pudge. daaaaaaaaamn thats fun to watch. | ||
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StoRm_res
Switzerland891 Posts
We can relate to navi a lot better, because their from europe and because we can watch the streams and such. The chinese scene is just different ^^ PLUS: i'm pretty sure in the chinese forum there i no thread: "why so many iG/ferrari fanboys?". Can't we just all root for the team we like and enjoy the game? | ||
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J1.au
Australia3596 Posts
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Ramong
Denmark1706 Posts
Sure IG will have/get a lot of fans after TI2, which is deserved. But na'vi getting second place is bound to get them a lot of fans as well. The OP seems to think it would be better to be a fan of DK og LGD when this TI clearly showed they are worse than navi and getting 3rd for ldg and 4th? for DK. Honestly the only thing I dislike is this mentality that every team from China are somehow better, when only 1 was able to beat navi | ||
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b3n3tt3
595 Posts
Also, china is the rest of the world when it comes to dota. 567,000 viewers on game3 finals would prove that to be true LOL | ||
Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
On September 03 2012 19:21 Ramong wrote: well, think being a fan of the second best team in the world is okay :p Sure IG will have/get a lot of fans after TI2, which is deserved. But na'vi getting second place is bound to get them a lot of fans as well. The OP seems to think it would be better to be a fan of DK og LGD when this TI clearly showed they are worse than navi and getting 3rd for ldg and 4th? for DK. Honestly the only thing I dislike is this mentality that every team from China are somehow better, when only 1 was able to beat navi 7 Asian teams were present and playing at the International(8 if you count AL I suppose, but they play western so much) the top 8 consists out of 7 Asian teams(I guess you can make a case for AL, but AL plays western so much), China took 1st, 3d, fourth and some other places too China IS superior, Asian teams ARE superior , results show it. Na'vi is the exception, they are just playing on a level beyond any Western team and most of the Asian teams, but in general the consensus does show that China is stronger and that Asian teams in general are stronger. Why Dendi is popular should be easy He is a good player He is young(he is pretty much a kid, which is awesome). He is likeable(good personality, dances etc) He plays the flashy role(solo mid) He is slightly insane(makes big dives, big plays, sometimes dies for it, goes blink dagger force staff on like every hero) He plays on Na'vi, the only non-Asian team to make it far. Na'vi have a strong history of dominance in Dota 2. Na'vi plays very aggressive and with interesting picks(this is not on Dendi but it does make their games in general more attractive to the general public. | ||
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OceanLab
France505 Posts
TL;DR : Support whoever you want for whatever reasons you find, and let others do the same! | ||
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