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On September 03 2012 12:58 svi wrote:
Of course it's about race...
Just look at the international 2 stream chat on twitch or own3d. There's nonstop China flaming and the word "chink" appears constantly.
Lets not be delusional, people cheer for them because they're white and to deny this would be a head-scratcher...
This comment makes me want to puke.
I am a racist because I like to watch navi instead of the LGD or IG who can play nothing but naga siren all day long?
Because Naga Siren 24/7 is fun.
Navi is in the finals how the fuck is it hard to understand they got fans?
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They came very close to winning 1000000 dollars, i think that gave them some more fans.
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Have you seen the game 2 and 3 of the LGD vs. IG loser bracket finals? This is why people cheer for Na'Vi who do unconventional picks (DK all of a sudden? random NA pickup?) The russian casters were, during the 3rd LB game, following leshrac and lich around and betting on who gets more creep kills, and just making fun of them because there was literally nothing happening for 15 minutes in the middle of that game.
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Navi got outplayed so bad in the final.. hoho
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On September 03 2012 15:29 TheTester wrote:
Have you seen the game 2 and 3 of the LGD vs. IG loser bracket finals? This is why people cheer for Na'Vi who do unconventional picks (DK all of a sudden? random NA pickup?) The russian casters were, during the 3rd LB game, following leshrac and lich around and betting on who gets more creep kills, and just making fun of them because there was literally nothing happening for 15 minutes in the middle of that game.
Yeah because that Disrupter play wasn't creative, exciting, or amazing right? -.-
IG's G1 was also extremely exciting aggressive style of play, but people were against them 100% of the time despite the fact they have demonstrated much more flexibility and adaptability than Na'vi has this entire tournament.
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On September 03 2012 15:36 superstartran wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 15:29 TheTester wrote:
Have you seen the game 2 and 3 of the LGD vs. IG loser bracket finals? This is why people cheer for Na'Vi who do unconventional picks (DK all of a sudden? random NA pickup?) The russian casters were, during the 3rd LB game, following leshrac and lich around and betting on who gets more creep kills, and just making fun of them because there was literally nothing happening for 15 minutes in the middle of that game. Yeah because that Disrupter play wasn't creative, exciting, or amazing right? -.- IG's G1 was also extremely exciting aggressive style of play, but people were against them 100% of the time despite the fact they have demonstrated much more flexibility and adaptability than Na'vi has this entire tournament.
Losers bracket finals, not grand finals.
The Disruptor play was cool, but when it comes to chinese vs. chinese, the games sometimes go into these ridiculously farmy nonsense games, whereas this happens less often with other teams.
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On September 03 2012 15:39 TheTester wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 15:36 superstartran wrote:On September 03 2012 15:29 TheTester wrote:
Have you seen the game 2 and 3 of the LGD vs. IG loser bracket finals? This is why people cheer for Na'Vi who do unconventional picks (DK all of a sudden? random NA pickup?) The russian casters were, during the 3rd LB game, following leshrac and lich around and betting on who gets more creep kills, and just making fun of them because there was literally nothing happening for 15 minutes in the middle of that game. Yeah because that Disrupter play wasn't creative, exciting, or amazing right? -.- IG's G1 was also extremely exciting aggressive style of play, but people were against them 100% of the time despite the fact they have demonstrated much more flexibility and adaptability than Na'vi has this entire tournament. Losers bracket finals, not grand finals. The Disruptor play was cool, but when it comes to chinese vs. chinese, the games sometimes go into these ridiculously farmy nonsense games, whereas this happens less often with other teams.
What?
Do you know how many games that Na'vi played a boring ass 4 protect 1 on XBOCT where they just camped and waited for XBOCT to get big when he was playing against Chinese teams? LOL.
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How can you be a fan of IG? Bought by some spoiled rich kid with $6 million of his father's money.
They're pretty much the Yankees of Dota.
I would've preferred any other team, Chinese or not, to win it.
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On September 03 2012 15:44 Horse...falcon wrote:
How can you be a fan of IG? Bought by some spoiled rich kid with $6 million of his father's money.
They're pretty much the Yankees of Dota.
I would've preferred any other team, Chinese or not, to win it.
Don't have to be a fan, but at least be remotely objective. People complain that the Chinese teams ran boring farm strategies all the time, and yet that is exactly what Na'vi did every time they could get XBOCT a hard carry like Anti-Mage.
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On September 03 2012 15:42 superstartran wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 15:39 TheTester wrote:On September 03 2012 15:36 superstartran wrote:On September 03 2012 15:29 TheTester wrote:
Have you seen the game 2 and 3 of the LGD vs. IG loser bracket finals? This is why people cheer for Na'Vi who do unconventional picks (DK all of a sudden? random NA pickup?) The russian casters were, during the 3rd LB game, following leshrac and lich around and betting on who gets more creep kills, and just making fun of them because there was literally nothing happening for 15 minutes in the middle of that game. Yeah because that Disrupter play wasn't creative, exciting, or amazing right? -.- IG's G1 was also extremely exciting aggressive style of play, but people were against them 100% of the time despite the fact they have demonstrated much more flexibility and adaptability than Na'vi has this entire tournament. Losers bracket finals, not grand finals. The Disruptor play was cool, but when it comes to chinese vs. chinese, the games sometimes go into these ridiculously farmy nonsense games, whereas this happens less often with other teams. What? Do you know how many games that Na'vi played a boring ass 4 protect 1 on XBOCT where they just camped and waited for XBOCT to get big when he was playing against Chinese teams? LOL.
Yeah, like that void play where he tp'ed into the tower to chrono 5 and died for it. Or LoH on the bear in that last game that sacrificed farm for push.
Don't expect them to never ever ever farm or play defensively, because well, its a valid strategy. But none of the Na'Vi games had a 2-6 or whatever it was score at 34 minutes in because both teams refused to engage, at all.
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On September 03 2012 15:44 Horse...falcon wrote:
How can you be a fan of IG? Bought by some spoiled rich kid with $6 million of his father's money.
They're pretty much the Yankees of Dota.
I would've preferred any other team, Chinese or not, to win it.
You wonder how they can have fans then compare them to the baseball team with the most fans.
What?
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I don't understand this thread.
Dendi is a great player who makes the game fun with gameplay we don't get to see from most other players. In person, he's relatively good-looking and has a charming personality.
Why wouldn't he have a lot of fans?
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On September 03 2012 15:46 TheTester wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 15:42 superstartran wrote:On September 03 2012 15:39 TheTester wrote:On September 03 2012 15:36 superstartran wrote:On September 03 2012 15:29 TheTester wrote:
Have you seen the game 2 and 3 of the LGD vs. IG loser bracket finals? This is why people cheer for Na'Vi who do unconventional picks (DK all of a sudden? random NA pickup?) The russian casters were, during the 3rd LB game, following leshrac and lich around and betting on who gets more creep kills, and just making fun of them because there was literally nothing happening for 15 minutes in the middle of that game. Yeah because that Disrupter play wasn't creative, exciting, or amazing right? -.- IG's G1 was also extremely exciting aggressive style of play, but people were against them 100% of the time despite the fact they have demonstrated much more flexibility and adaptability than Na'vi has this entire tournament. Losers bracket finals, not grand finals. The Disruptor play was cool, but when it comes to chinese vs. chinese, the games sometimes go into these ridiculously farmy nonsense games, whereas this happens less often with other teams. What? Do you know how many games that Na'vi played a boring ass 4 protect 1 on XBOCT where they just camped and waited for XBOCT to get big when he was playing against Chinese teams? LOL. Yeah, like that void play where he tp'ed into the tower to chrono 5 and died for it. Or LoH on the bear in that last game that sacrificed farm for push. Don't expect them to never ever ever farm or play defensively, because well, its a valid strategy. But none of the Na'Vi games had a 2-6 or whatever it was score at 34 minutes in because both teams refused to engage, at all.
Sacrificing farm for push? The last game LOH was on a complete island at top and was farming his ass off for straight 15 minutes; he didn't sacrifice any farm at all.
And there were numerous times where XBOCT merely farmed for about 99.9% of the game (which he did for most of that Void game) this tournament and yet people think "LOL SO GENIUS" but when the Chinese turn around they get shit on for it?
People didn't watch alot of the Chinese vs Chinese games, because they were highly entertaining. And no, a vast majority of those games were not farm fests by any stretch of the imagination. People like you are just straight talking out of your ass, because EHOME certainly did not play a farm centric game all that often, and neither did IG for the most part in the tournament. LGD when they were running CK also played very aggressive; the only team that played 4 protect 1 farm style consistently was Burning, and that's because that's how they built their team.
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When I see people claming racism in cases like these I just know that said people are running out of arguments. That is just a low blow.
If you watched the two hour+ interview with Tobi that was posted on reddit some time ago, he basically said that just now is he getting contacted by Chinese who wants him to stream some of their games. China (or Asia in general, but mostly China) more or less have their own world of Dota that they do almost nothing to advertise except for the occasional big tournament like SMM. Is it normal for people to cheer for teams they know almost nothing about? I don't think so.
I am personally not a Na'Vi fanboy, but I can certainly see why they are popular. Puppey's teams have a history of single handedly changing the meta game, and when he and Kuroky played in Ks.Int they started an unparalleled ganking era by themselves. They've pulled off strategies that have time and time again proved conventional wisdom wrong, which is exciting to se.
For the record, I think LightOfHeaven is their best and most consistant player. A true veteran that has always been among the best in the world, and have proven that he can play everything from superhard carry to a low death support.
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People like other people more than others, why the fuck is that so hard to understand?
If I was closer to my white friend than my black friend, would that make me racists because I prefer one person over the other?
Sure, hating on the Chinese is awful but that doesn't mean we have like them as much as NaVi.
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hmm somehow I anticipated this would degenerate into a race discussion before I even read the comments.
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On September 03 2012 15:51 [17]Purple wrote:
People like other people more than others, why the fuck is that so hard to understand?
If I was closer to my white friend than my black friend, would that make me racists because I prefer one person over the other?
Sure, hating on the Chinese is awful but that doesn't mean we have like them as much as NaVi.
I don't mind people disliking the Chinese style of play, but straight up lying (which a vast majority of the Chinese "haters" are doing) it's just crossing the line. Na'vi probably played far more 4 protect 1 turtle carry strats than a vast majority of the Chinese teams did this tournament Saying that the Chinese were "boring" is just too funny considering more often than not China was the one who was pushing and playing aggressive throughout the tournament (espec EHOME, LGD when they got the heroes they wanted, and IG).
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They are european, they are a lot of fun to watch compared to the chinese teams and they are the only "foreigner" team that fight on even ground with the chinese.
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On September 03 2012 15:50 superstartran wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 15:46 TheTester wrote:On September 03 2012 15:42 superstartran wrote:On September 03 2012 15:39 TheTester wrote:On September 03 2012 15:36 superstartran wrote:On September 03 2012 15:29 TheTester wrote:
Have you seen the game 2 and 3 of the LGD vs. IG loser bracket finals? This is why people cheer for Na'Vi who do unconventional picks (DK all of a sudden? random NA pickup?) The russian casters were, during the 3rd LB game, following leshrac and lich around and betting on who gets more creep kills, and just making fun of them because there was literally nothing happening for 15 minutes in the middle of that game. Yeah because that Disrupter play wasn't creative, exciting, or amazing right? -.- IG's G1 was also extremely exciting aggressive style of play, but people were against them 100% of the time despite the fact they have demonstrated much more flexibility and adaptability than Na'vi has this entire tournament. Losers bracket finals, not grand finals. The Disruptor play was cool, but when it comes to chinese vs. chinese, the games sometimes go into these ridiculously farmy nonsense games, whereas this happens less often with other teams. What? Do you know how many games that Na'vi played a boring ass 4 protect 1 on XBOCT where they just camped and waited for XBOCT to get big when he was playing against Chinese teams? LOL. Yeah, like that void play where he tp'ed into the tower to chrono 5 and died for it. Or LoH on the bear in that last game that sacrificed farm for push. Don't expect them to never ever ever farm or play defensively, because well, its a valid strategy. But none of the Na'Vi games had a 2-6 or whatever it was score at 34 minutes in because both teams refused to engage, at all. Sacrificing farm for push? The last game LOH was on a complete island at top and was farming his ass off for straight 15 minutes; he didn't sacrifice any farm at all. And there were numerous times where XBOCT merely farmed for about 99.9% of the game (which he did for most of that Void game) this tournament and yet people think "LOL SO GENIUS" but when the Chinese turn around they get shit on for it? People didn't watch alot of the Chinese vs Chinese games, because they were highly entertaining. And no, a vast majority of those games were not farm fests by any stretch of the imagination. People like you are just straight talking out of your ass, because EHOME certainly did not play a farm centric game all that often, and neither did IG for the most part in the tournament. LGD when they were running CK also played very aggressive; the only team that played 4 protect 1 farm style consistently was Burning, and that's because that's how they built their team.
Nah, you just don't understand that I can still say what I did and not somehow imply that hurr durr all chinese do is farm.
Game 2/3 of IG vs. LGD will be the most memorable "chinese dota" games with anyone I've seen. Whether they are a perfect example of what it entails or not, it's a different story. But for a final, it was hilariously boring and badly received. Lots of chinese teams played great, fun and aggressive games, even with the grand finals navi definitely having the farm oriented strat more so than ig.
However, out of the games I've watched I haven't seen anything as boring as LGD vs. IG that wasn't a complete stomp, and things like that are memorable. Compare that to Na'Vi - you yourself just admitted on last page that Na'Vi does more interesting and diverse picks, actually.
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On September 03 2012 15:57 TheTester wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 15:50 superstartran wrote:On September 03 2012 15:46 TheTester wrote:On September 03 2012 15:42 superstartran wrote:On September 03 2012 15:39 TheTester wrote:On September 03 2012 15:36 superstartran wrote:On September 03 2012 15:29 TheTester wrote:
Have you seen the game 2 and 3 of the LGD vs. IG loser bracket finals? This is why people cheer for Na'Vi who do unconventional picks (DK all of a sudden? random NA pickup?) The russian casters were, during the 3rd LB game, following leshrac and lich around and betting on who gets more creep kills, and just making fun of them because there was literally nothing happening for 15 minutes in the middle of that game. Yeah because that Disrupter play wasn't creative, exciting, or amazing right? -.- IG's G1 was also extremely exciting aggressive style of play, but people were against them 100% of the time despite the fact they have demonstrated much more flexibility and adaptability than Na'vi has this entire tournament. Losers bracket finals, not grand finals. The Disruptor play was cool, but when it comes to chinese vs. chinese, the games sometimes go into these ridiculously farmy nonsense games, whereas this happens less often with other teams. What? Do you know how many games that Na'vi played a boring ass 4 protect 1 on XBOCT where they just camped and waited for XBOCT to get big when he was playing against Chinese teams? LOL. Yeah, like that void play where he tp'ed into the tower to chrono 5 and died for it. Or LoH on the bear in that last game that sacrificed farm for push. Don't expect them to never ever ever farm or play defensively, because well, its a valid strategy. But none of the Na'Vi games had a 2-6 or whatever it was score at 34 minutes in because both teams refused to engage, at all. Sacrificing farm for push? The last game LOH was on a complete island at top and was farming his ass off for straight 15 minutes; he didn't sacrifice any farm at all. And there were numerous times where XBOCT merely farmed for about 99.9% of the game (which he did for most of that Void game) this tournament and yet people think "LOL SO GENIUS" but when the Chinese turn around they get shit on for it? People didn't watch alot of the Chinese vs Chinese games, because they were highly entertaining. And no, a vast majority of those games were not farm fests by any stretch of the imagination. People like you are just straight talking out of your ass, because EHOME certainly did not play a farm centric game all that often, and neither did IG for the most part in the tournament. LGD when they were running CK also played very aggressive; the only team that played 4 protect 1 farm style consistently was Burning, and that's because that's how they built their team. Nah, you just don't understand that I can still say what I did and not somehow imply that hurr durr all chinese do is farm. Game 2/3 of IG vs. LGD will be the most memorable "chinese dota" games with anyone I've seen. Whether they are a perfect example of what it entails or not, it's a different story. But for a final, it was hilariously boring and badly received. Lots of chinese teams played great, fun and aggressive games, even with the grand finals navi definitely having the farm oriented strat more so than ig. However, out of the games I've watched I haven't seen anything as boring as LGD vs. IG that wasn't a complete stomp, and things like that are memorable. Compare that to Na'Vi - you yourself just admitted on last page that Na'Vi does more interesting and diverse picks, actually.
Game 2 and Game 3 are classic examples of AM games in general when AM teams get ahead. The other team is powerless to stop them and can only camp their base. You act like this is a problem centered around Chinese style of play when that is exactly how every XBOCT AM game was when Xboct got ahead. So please stop with your arguments, becuase they are getting worse by the moment.
You're just hating to hate; those games turned out the way they did because LGD and IG were facing elimination and didn't want to do anything stupid or game throwing, especially since LGD just lost despite having a massively farmed Morphling.
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