On September 03 2012 08:00 TheLunaticMonk wrote: I find it amazing how na'vis playstyle is based on such fragile grounds. A single mistake in a teamfight and BAM its Naga ult into vaccuum into wall into ravage and 5man wipe. But navi refuses to make that mistake. Dendi ALWAYS stealing the ravage and turning the teamfight around XBOTC always landing a good chronosphere. And to address countchoculas post i'd like to just say this, China makes the metagame, Na'Vi breaks the metagame.
I agree with most of your post. However the last part while nice-sounding isn't exactly relevant. Who gave China the right to make the metagame? Why can't European teams make the metagame?
On September 03 2012 08:04 ThaZenith wrote: People don't need to justify liking a player/team.
Anti-fanboyism is always annoying, in any form.
Go Na'Vi!
Sure you don't have to justify liking a player/team, but if you do and the reason you give is illogical, I reserve the right to point out the misconceptions in your viewpoints.
Just because you are a fan of someone doesn't mean you think they are the best player ever. There's some players I root for no matter how bad they are for various reasons.
I am a navi fanboy because they have giant balls. they kill chinese ricers with jugger or pudge. dendi is the best player in the world so its obvious that he has a big fanclub. puppey is a troll and a very good drafter, i love when he cocasting its very insightful. loh has some very bad games but when he is on his game he's just so fucking precise with his spells its amazing. xboct is one of the best ricers in the world and has some big balls too (sometime too big). AA is support so thats that. Usually they play very aggressive and crowd pleasing so if you add Dendi and the others' nice personalities and hilarious interviews you can see why they have such a big following.
On September 03 2012 08:49 nam nam wrote: Just because you are a fan of someone doesn't mean you think they are the best player ever. There's some players I root for no matter how bad they are for various reasons.
+1. What nam nam said needs special attention.
There is no real correlation between someone's popularity and their skill at some particular thing.
look at all the hate lebron gets. and hes the best player in the game atm.
I agree that the Dendi hype is maybe a bit over the top, but there is no denying that he is one of the best players in the world, arguably even the best.
I hope OP watched the NaVi vs LGD and NaVi vs iG series. Those two series should explain why people thing Dendi is so awesome. Most heroes he plays he really is able to dominate with and makes huge plays. Just look at how often he manages to steal Ravage with Rubick against high tier teams. Also, like previously stated that teams actually ban heroes like pudge and puck just because of what Dendi can do with them.
In addition to this he also has an really entertaining and lovable personality.
On September 03 2012 08:13 CountChocula wrote: I agree with most of your post. However the last part while nice-sounding isn't exactly relevant. Who gave China the right to make the metagame? Why can't European teams make the metagame?
The thing is that it usually works like this: China comes up with the new metagame, Europe modifies it, NA modifies the European modification, China gets the modified version and modifies it again.
Harder to fanboy a chinese player since they dont speak our language and we're not involved in their scene. They're anonymous monsters to me. While their skill impresses me, it doesnt make me care about them.
Dendi just happens to be most shining star outside of china, flashy and creative play wins alot fans.
i think all of today pretty much makes this entire post retarded. they're the only team to beat LGD and put them on tilt after going undefeated along with doing the most meta-breaking picks the whole tournament. and dendi goes and shatters them with rubick and probably gets the pimpest play of the tournament x5 and is going to get multiple highlights.
I get that the OP is showing his anti-fanboyism, and all the Na'Vi fans are here to rally the cause.
But do we really need shit like this?
On September 03 2012 09:05 breakingties wrote: you want to know why we're all following na vi?
because they're not chinese. that's why.
Because of RACE? Nothing to do with Na'Vi as a team, nothing to do with Dendi's high-risk high-reward big plays, nothing to do with Puppey's mastermind leadership, nothing to do with successful unorthodox play, nothing to do with breaking the overpowered Naga/DS, nothing to do with the wacky dances and interviews, nothing to do with epic Blackholes and Chronospheres, but because all the OTHER teams are Chinese?
And you say "we" as if all Na'Vi fans support the team for such a shallow, bigoted, ignorant and nonsensical reason?
I just find it so sad that so many TLers would rise up, pitchforks in hand, behind the banner of inquisition when someone like Destiny (off the top of my head) gives a racist remark, going so far as to fucking e-mail Razer about it. And I'm pretty sure the overwhelming majority of the witch-hunters weren't even black. Was it all because they were trying to fit in? Appear to be a positive member of the "community"?
Then when it comes to the Chinese, everyone chimes in. How pathetically hypocritical. And how disappointing is it that the previous champions are getting cheers from certain morons just because they're not Chinese.
I don't quite get it. Is it because white dudes get raped in BW/SC2, and in fighting games, and they're treating DotA2/Na'Vi as their "last stand"? Or is it a western cultural thing to hate the rising power that isn't white? Anyone explain?
On September 03 2012 09:05 breakingties wrote: you want to know why we're all following na vi?
because they're not chinese. that's why.
Because of RACE? Nothing to do with Na'Vi as a team, nothing to do with Dendi's high-risk high-reward big plays, nothing to do with Puppey's mastermind leadership, nothing to do with successful unorthodox play, nothing to do with breaking the yellow OP tape around Naga/DS, nothing to do with the wacky dances and interviews, but because all the OTHER teams are Chinese?
And you say "we" as if all Na'Vi fans support the team for such a shallow, bigoted, ignorant and nonsensical reason?
I just find it so sad that so many TLers would rise up, pitchforks in hand, behind the banner of inquisition when someone like Destiny (off the top of my head) gives a racist remark, going so far as to e-mail fucking Razer about it. And I'm pretty sure the overwhelming majority of the witch-hunters weren't even black.
Yet when it comes to the Chinese, everyone chimes in. How pathetically hypocritical. And how disappointing is it that the previous champions are getting cheers from certain morons just because they're not Chinese.
I don't quite get it. Is it because the Chinese are rising in power (I highly doubt it, but hey, who knows these days)? Anyone care to explain?
I really doubt that was racism. "NaVi is the only western team still standing and they doesnt play a boring style" is a much better interpretation I think.
I agree, I root for Chinese teams because I enjoy the players ( their individual skill and farming capabilities are simply a level above the Western teams ) more and I enjoy their meta-game more ( I am from the US with European heritage, so this has nothing to do with any culture or locality, which is how it should be imo ). Everytime I voice my support or want to discuss games I get flamed by fanboys trying to imitate 4chan vernacular, SingSing dendi oriented phrases or other fanboys, that makes it impossible to discuss the games in any realistic sense. I mean really?
On September 03 2012 10:34 Xpace wrote: I get that the OP is showing his anti-fanboyism, and all the Na'Vi fans are here to rally the cause.
But do we really need shit like this?
On September 03 2012 09:05 breakingties wrote: you want to know why we're all following na vi?
because they're not chinese. that's why.
Because of RACE? Nothing to do with Na'Vi as a team, nothing to do with Dendi's high-risk high-reward big plays, nothing to do with Puppey's mastermind leadership, nothing to do with successful unorthodox play, nothing to do with breaking the yellow OP tape around Naga/DS, nothing to do with the wacky dances and interviews, but because all the OTHER teams are Chinese?
And you say "we" as if all Na'Vi fans support the team for such a shallow, bigoted, ignorant and nonsensical reason?
I just find it so sad that so many TLers would rise up, pitchforks in hand, behind the banner of inquisition when someone like Destiny (off the top of my head) gives a racist remark, going so far as to e-mail fucking Razer about it. And I'm pretty sure the overwhelming majority of the witch-hunters weren't even black.
Yet when it comes to the Chinese, everyone chimes in. How pathetically hypocritical. And how disappointing is it that the previous champions are getting cheers from certain morons just because they're not Chinese.
I don't quite get it. Is it because the Chinese are rising in power (I highly doubt it, but hey, who knows these days)? Anyone care to explain?
I really doubt that was racism. "NaVi is the only western team still standing and they doesnt play a boring style" is a much better interpretation I think.
Why do people keep repeating this like it's true? More often than not we see iG trying to outpush and outgank Na`Vi, while Na`Vi sits back to farm with the harder carry. In games 1 and 3 against LGD, Na`Vi picks the harder carry and farms on them while LGD's hard carry pushes with team for most of mid-game. Granted Na`Vi plays a push strat with Jugg/Lycan once in a while, but the "boring playstyle" reason simply doesn't hold water when most of the time Na`Vi is the one sitting back playing a 4-protect-1 strat, and the Chinese team is executing a mid-game push.