Patchzergs, Real or Imagniary? - Page 13

On August 20 2012 18:53 CaptainCrush wrote:


Recco was a joke at best before he beat naniwa. And what is the UK scene? I didnt realize that there was one beyond DeMuslim. He is the very definition of what the OP is talking about.

On August 20 2012 18:53 Yorbon wrote:
Anyone who considers this ridiculous term to be real: have you ever thought about the player? He can't possibly do anything right in this scenario. He loses and he's just bad. He wins and his wins come from a patch. So he would have lost if the patch wasn't there, or something...
1. You won't know if anyone would've lost without the patch
2. This is completely ignoring players getting better/worse or evolving metagame
3. These terms work extremely demotivating.

This is the same as (for example but not limited to):
I saw someone post: "I knew Hero didn't jump in skill, it was because of all (non) recent buffs protoss got" (after hero failed to get to ro 8 twice in a row). It's the same as this case: if hero loses, he is bad; if he wins, it's because of the patch.
Also the standard gom vs kespa player discussion is as bad as this. Gomtv players (i'll call them that, but this term is even rubbish) cannot win in wcs. If they win, it's logical, because they played the game for two years; but notice how good the kespa players were in terms of mechanics (omg, how strange...). If they lose, they are nothing more then old b-teamers.

I don't want to spark the discussion in elephant direction. I just want to say that this kind of attitude is very destructive and not dealable with from a players' point of view. He/she just tries his best to win.

On August 20 2012 09:32 Wockets wrote:
The first few posts are horrible. You raise a good point.


And this. Some may say that he's already been working his way up the ranks pre-patch but at the speed he's doing it in.. that's a bit ridiculous.

Edit: You should also try adding in some other zergs as a comparison - that way we can really see the "difference" that this patch makes.

On August 20 2012 19:26 Tuthur wrote:
There is no "patch zergs". Only "patch terrans" that failed to adapt to the new metagame. They whine because they're less used to completely change their openings like their zerg counterparts often did in the past. Now they're starting to catch up but some people in the lower leagues who don't have the right mindset are still crying instead of actually trying to improve (avilosc2 for example, look at his reddit posts)

On August 20 2012 19:19 sVnteen wrote:

so he beat naniwa 3-1 because of the queen range buff?

On August 20 2012 19:02 Poopi wrote:

Do you really think that if a foreign MASTER terran went on to stop school because of summer or whatever, he would start BEATING code S zergs/protoss?
This excuse is valuable when players go from low GM to relevant "pro" player, not when masters players start beating code S players.
It's sad for the players such as VortiX, JRecco etc to be called patch zergs, but it's even more sad for the freaking korean terrans who lost to inferior players despite working harder and better for a long time.

On August 20 2012 19:52 Sethronu wrote:
Patchzergs or not, I don't know how can anyone consider Vortix's play in IEM 'good' or 'fun' to watch. Pretty much every engagement, including his 'best broodlord pushes ever' was a straight up a-move the whole army deal, same with his 'great drop defense' and stuff. I don't really think that Z is so imba that any noob can win with it, or that TvZ is impossible blah blah blah, but there's no denying that the Z side of these games is much more forgiving, and usually very uninspiring to watch.

On August 20 2012 19:44 pOnarreT wrote:



Wow how'd you come up with that

On August 20 2012 20:01 Lylat wrote:
I think the main problem is that people are angry toward those new players who managed to beat their favorites. Hence they will try to lower their performance calling them "patchzerg"... Which is sad imo because I'm pretty sure they work a lot and definitely deserve some recognition.

On August 20 2012 19:52 Denzil wrote:


On the basis that quite a few foreign terrans are actually pretty lazy and don't try to improve themselves and much rather make posts on balance I think no they wouldn't

who are the Code S players you're stating that he's beaten? If you're saying Naniwa you should know to take that with a pinch of salt because Naniwa is Code S but his play very rarely looks Code S he played bad against JRecco that some pros noted and deserved to lose

The 4-3 against Keen should be credit to all the hard work this guys put in, besides the UK players seem to be pretty decent at beating Code S guys

Bling generally beats a Code S Terran whenever he plays Demuslims beaten NesTea and it seems JReccos beaten Naniwa and almost beat Keen

I'll throw it in there as well, time spent doesn't always equal success Stephano used to do fuckall practice look who he was beating during that time. Also Korean Masters Terrans seem to be pretty good I'm sure many of them could beat Code S players there's literally a sea of god Korean Master Terrans

On August 20 2012 20:03 teddyoojo wrote:

id be so happy when there would be a patchterran t-t
but there is just no terran for 2 years outside of korea