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FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
August 20 2012 08:24 GMT
#201
You might as well call Terrans who did well prior to the patch "pre-patch Terrans".

It's fucking stupid.
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
kafkaesque
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Germany2006 Posts
August 20 2012 08:25 GMT
#202
Wow, now moon is a "Patchzerg", too?

That's retarded, Moon has been bringing results almost since he's entered the scene, barring his infamous baneling-explosion in GSL. Yeah that's right, he qualified for GSL in 2010, hardly a "Patchzerg".
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Fibbz
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany62 Posts
August 20 2012 08:32 GMT
#203
I really agree to nkr. There are no patchzergs at all. I have to say, that I had the feeling there are a hell lot of zergs, which only got wins because of the patch. Especially in the ladder (i am an EU-masters terran) I got the feeling zerg would be OP. But after all my winratios are really okay. Also on very high level SCII there are enough non-zerg-players who win tournements, but there are less terrans and protoss on that level, so zerg got a higher chance to win tournements, as you can see here.

Greetz
Cushion
Profile Joined May 2012
United States14 Posts
August 20 2012 08:40 GMT
#204
Even if this proved they were all 3 "patchzergs" I still don't think it's fair to call them that. They're playing a game blizzard balances. They're just along for the ride. I just can't hate them for playing a race through buffs and nerfs.

That being said, I can't really call this enough data, and I don't think ladder information would help either. I don't claim to be a pro-gamer, but I can only imagine that ladder and tourney play are very different from each other. So you would have to do one or the other. I'm sure all 3 of these guys will still be strong contenders in HoTS.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
August 20 2012 08:42 GMT
#205
On August 20 2012 17:24 FuzzyJAM wrote:
You might as well call Terrans who did well prior to the patch "pre-patch Terrans".

It's fucking stupid.


LOL I don't know why but your commeont on pre-patch terrans made me laugh.

I pretty much agree with this completely. It's also very rude to the players and not giving them credit at all which is a joke.
When I think of something else, something will go here
Orek
Profile Joined February 2012
1665 Posts
August 20 2012 08:49 GMT
#206
On August 20 2012 17:24 FuzzyJAM wrote:
You might as well call Terrans who did well prior to the patch "pre-patch Terrans".

It's fucking stupid.


This is it.

On August 20 2012 10:54 Orek wrote:
Definition of terms:

Patch Zerg
A zerg who only started making a splash in the scene after patch 1.4.3 balance changes, released the tenth of may 2012, implying that this zerg only is where he is at due to the patch, and the supposed zerg imbalance that comes with it.

Campaign Terran
A terran who only made a splash in the scene before patch 1.4.3 balance changes, released the tenth of may 2012, implying that this terran only was where he was at due to initial terran design that Blizzard apparently spent more time on for WoL single player terran campaign, and the supposed terran imbalance that came with it.


Patch Terran
A terran who will only start making a splash in the scene after patch 2.X.X balance changes in HotS, released sometime in 201X, implying that this terran will only be where he will be at due to the patch, and the supposed terran imbalance that will come with it.

Campaign Zerg
A zerg who will only make a splash in the scene before patch 2.X.X balance changes in HotS, released sometime in 201X, implying that this zerg will only be where he will be at due to initial zerg design that Blizzard apparently will spend more time on for HotS single player zerg campaign, and the supposed zerg imbalance that will come with it.


and we compelete the cycle in LotV with Campaign Protoss vs Patch Terran/Zerg.

kranten
Profile Joined January 2012
Netherlands236 Posts
August 20 2012 08:50 GMT
#207
Well of course a buff to zergs was going to improve their winrate in the affected matchups.
nukkuj
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Finland403 Posts
August 20 2012 08:57 GMT
#208
lol'd at the old Pirate Jaedong picture.

While good Zergs have produced better results than before, insulting them like this is unacceptable.
Svenny90
Profile Joined May 2012
21 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-20 09:18:15
August 20 2012 09:03 GMT
#209
On August 20 2012 09:18 nkr wrote:

Why? Well we can safely assume that the balance in ZvZ was not affected by this or any previous patch, and while getting further in tournaments, they will now face the better pre-patch zergs. If these zergs in truth got to where they are because of the patch, they should lose more of these matches.




Why would this be valid?
Maybe a Duck
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany53 Posts
August 20 2012 09:05 GMT
#210
Hmmm, without following every comment made in this thread.
Patchzerg isnt applicable to vortix, because he dosent make more than 3 early queens^^
Not yet
Fabozi
Profile Joined March 2011
Slovakia336 Posts
August 20 2012 09:06 GMT
#211
well this was the stupidest thing in wc3 to call a group of players patch-race. i was hoping this never gets to stracraft community. and don't say to me that changing range on one unit makes the whole game broken.
ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
August 20 2012 09:07 GMT
#212
On August 20 2012 09:42 sertman wrote:
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fucking patchzergs man


The one and only.
Jaedong :3
Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4139 Posts
August 20 2012 09:09 GMT
#213
a very unlucky position for sortof, he plays fulltime since april.
Grubby | ToD | Moon | Lyn | Sky
Corsica
Profile Joined February 2011
Ukraine1854 Posts
August 20 2012 09:10 GMT
#214
On August 20 2012 09:30 Dakure wrote:
I remember Slivko from IEM Sao Paulo. He almost took out Supernova I think it was. Definitely not a patchzerg.


exactly this, he also has been kicking ass in russian tournaments, beating dimaga a few times.
imBLIND
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2626 Posts
August 20 2012 09:11 GMT
#215
I would only imagine this applying to mediocre zergs, not people who play in global tournaments. And if you buff or nerf a unit, it's sort of expected that the win rates will drop or raise.
im deaf
Corsica
Profile Joined February 2011
Ukraine1854 Posts
August 20 2012 09:12 GMT
#216
Yay! Discredit all the hardwork!
Nourek
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany188 Posts
August 20 2012 09:13 GMT
#217
On August 20 2012 17:24 Hypemeup wrote:
The buff certainly helped these up and comming players out a lot. Top tier kr terran players who were untouchable by all but the top foreginer zergs suddenly play really close games vs these newcommer zergs.

Korean Terrans went 29-15 vs foreigner Zergs this IEM. It was not that close overall.
shell
Profile Joined October 2010
Portugal2722 Posts
August 20 2012 09:14 GMT
#218
If you look at most "patchzergs" you will see that these are young guys that had school/work and improved when the summer hollydays appeared, after the "patch" lol

Jonhyreeco and sortof especially only went "pro" this summer, practiced allot more and when one to many tournaments.. it's normal that they are on the "radar" now simply because they were not competing
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Jakkerr
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands2549 Posts
August 20 2012 09:17 GMT
#219
Calling someone a patchzerg is stupid and very belittling.
As the OP said, all those players were already part of the scene.
The new patch brought some buffs which made Zerg easier to play, that's just facts. Not that it's directly related to the buffs, because of the buffs Zergs tried out some new styles which are really strong. So at most they got a little push in the right direction.
But it's not like those players are gonna disappear if the metagame changes or zerg gets nerfed.
Denzil
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom4193 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-20 09:28:27
August 20 2012 09:22 GMT
#220
On August 20 2012 09:23 nkr wrote:
Please read it all before commenting


I first glanced at this thread and thought what an idiot how could TL leave a thread with such content up. I then went through it and it's pretty amazing.

The title lures in the balance whiners who won't read the whole thread and they then make some stupid balance comment where they get warned / banned.

I'm glad you put in "what we have here is 3 Zergs who worked really hard" because working hard is so rare / under appreciated in the foreign community. Vortix especially has impressed me

But speaking on the data I don't think you can really draw any solid conclusion from it based on the fact that there are so many factors going into tournament games that you can't account for.

For example look at IdrA his pre patch performance (depending on how far back you go) should be better than his after patch performance. Is that an example of the patch being crappy for Zerg? No it isn't it's just one of the circumstances that you have to account for
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