EPTPatchzergs, Real or Imagniary? - Page 12
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maregemini
Serbia18 Posts
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Tsend
France44 Posts
"If" Z is imbalanced, to me then its been starting developing before this patch and just was highlighted by these few (but important, i admit) changes. Anyway, from my warcraft 3 experience (and the supposed "orc imbalance") what i would say is what indeed happens is: when a race is imbalanced, the majority of new talents is from that race. However, i would not affirm it can be applied the other way around. | ||
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Roachu
Sweden692 Posts
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Denzil
United Kingdom4193 Posts
On August 20 2012 18:27 maregemini wrote: You have forgotten Jonnyrecco,a guy who was prepatch MASTER player,and now beats top level terrans,almost wins Mvp_Keen in a bo7,and tell me,is that NOT a patchzerg? http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/JonnyREcco Have a read through that, on the basis of the guy stopped school and went full time into Starcraft I think it's safe to say that he probably put more time into it and thus got better at the game because he worked hard. He's also been rated pretty highly in the UK scene for ages. | ||
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ICA
498 Posts
Next I would give the edge to Slivko over SortOf, even though SortOf showed some huge results lately. Imo the change in the ZvZ matchup winrate tells quite a bit, not the whole story though bcs of changes in playstyle etc. | ||
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NEEDZMOAR
Sweden1277 Posts
secondly; prepatch, there were very few zergs in the topscene while other races (read terran) were dominating. U might as well imply this logic on the prepatch terrans, those who were doing fairly well prepatch but basically suck ass (too tired to sugarcoat it) nowadays, were they in a position they shouldnt be in due to tvz being imbalanced? | ||
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Veriol
Czech Republic502 Posts
When you have new rising foreigner stars who can compete with koreans you go ''effing patchzergs they are actually scrubs harvesting the imbalance of the game''. Didnt see that comming. | ||
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Chaosvuistje
Netherlands2581 Posts
On August 20 2012 18:27 maregemini wrote: You have forgotten Jonnyrecco,a guy who was prepatch MASTER player,and now beats top level terrans,almost wins Mvp_Keen in a bo7,and tell me,is that NOT a patchzerg? Because laddering in the beginning of the season for a lot to get inside GM means you are automatically more skilled than a high masters player that defeats GM players but isn't in GM itself. | ||
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maregemini
Serbia18 Posts
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nymfaw
Norway430 Posts
u forgot Symbol btw | ||
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Serinox
Germany5224 Posts
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Desertfaux
Netherlands276 Posts
Still I don't see how holding up the lie that imbalances come from the game itself helps anyone. Maybe its just the BW player in me talking... | ||
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CaptainCrush
United States785 Posts
On August 20 2012 18:30 Denzil wrote: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/JonnyREcco Have a read through that, on the basis of the guy stopped school and went full time into Starcraft I think it's safe to say that he probably put more time into it and thus got better at the game because he worked hard. He's also been rated pretty highly in the UK scene for ages. Recco was a joke at best before he beat naniwa. And what is the UK scene? I didnt realize that there was one beyond DeMuslim. He is the very definition of what the OP is talking about. | ||
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Yorbon
Netherlands4272 Posts
1. You won't know if anyone would've lost without the patch 2. This is completely ignoring players getting better/worse or evolving metagame 3. These terms work extremely demotivating. This is the same as (for example but not limited to): I saw someone post: "I knew Hero didn't jump in skill, it was because of all (non) recent buffs protoss got" (after hero failed to get to ro 8 twice in a row). It's the same as this case: if hero loses, he is bad; if he wins, it's because of the patch. Also the standard gom vs kespa player discussion is as bad as this. Gomtv players (i'll call them that, but this term is even rubbish) cannot win in wcs. If they win, it's logical, because they played the game for two years; but notice how good the kespa players were in terms of mechanics (omg, how strange...). If they lose, they are nothing more then old b-teamers. I don't want to spark the discussion in elephant direction. I just want to say that this kind of attitude is very destructive and not dealable with from a players' point of view. He/she just tries his best to win. | ||
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Granter
Sweden64 Posts
I started to play ladder again after a very long break, diamond level. Like 3/5games are zergs and about 50/50 terran toss, the majority of players are zerg for sure, i dont mind because they are the race i have the least problems with. I like watching destiny/idra/demuslim stream and i have been doing it for over a year. The amount of ZvZ going on fucking bores me to death, It used to be really cool because it was always intense, but now it have become come to the level that it is annoying. You almost beg them to face a terran or toss that will do some all in or just super expand on 5bases because something different. But to the thread, yes the amount of zerg players have increased a lot. | ||
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Superiorwolf
United States5509 Posts
On August 20 2012 18:30 Denzil wrote: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/JonnyREcco Have a read through that, on the basis of the guy stopped school and went full time into Starcraft I think it's safe to say that he probably put more time into it and thus got better at the game because he worked hard. He's also been rated pretty highly in the UK scene for ages. This. Patchzerg is a ridiculous term. SortOf's worst matchup is still ZvT, and ZvT is one of my worser matchups right now as well. What's the best explanation for "patchzergs" for doing well? Well I don't know about Slivko or Vortix or whatever, but I do know that JonnyREcco finished school -> started getting good results, SortOf finished school -> started getting good results, and it was my summer break -> got some okay results as well. Perhaps instead of downplaying people's hard work, time, and effort, you should be glad to see new faces in the scene and glad to see people's efforts paying off. | ||
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rauk
United States2228 Posts
On August 20 2012 18:36 NEEDZMOAR wrote: not only is this post incorrect when it comes to using facts because if more "patchzergs" are coming up, they should face eachother in zvz, thus the patch shouldnt affect their zvz rating. secondly; prepatch, there were very few zergs in the topscene while other races (read terran) were dominating. U might as well imply this logic on the prepatch terrans, those who were doing fairly well prepatch but basically suck ass (too tired to sugarcoat it) nowadays, were they in a position they shouldnt be in due to tvz being imbalanced? name a foreign terran who did well vs koreans besides kas and thorzain | ||
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teddyoojo
Germany22369 Posts
btw dude, from ur conclusion: There are no patchzergs. And if there are, these are not them. What we have are three players who have worked hard and yes, gotten a boost with the patch, but stayed equally strong versus their zerg counterparts. u write they are no patchzergs and want to proof it by saying their zvz winrate DIDNT improve? thats just plain wrong dude | ||
Poopi
France12911 Posts
On August 20 2012 18:57 Superiorwolf wrote: This. Patchzerg is a ridiculous term. SortOf's worst matchup is still ZvT, and ZvT is one of my worser matchups right now as well. What's the best explanation for "patchzergs" for doing well? Well I don't know about Slivko or Vortix or whatever, but I do know that JonnyREcco finished school -> started getting good results, SortOf finished school -> started getting good results, and it was my summer break -> got some okay results as well. Perhaps instead of downplaying people's hard work, time, and effort, you should be glad to see new faces in the scene and glad to see people's efforts paying off. Do you really think that if a foreign MASTER terran went on to stop school because of summer or whatever, he would start BEATING code S zergs/protoss? This excuse is valuable when players go from low GM to relevant "pro" player, not when masters players start beating code S players. It's sad for the players such as VortiX, JRecco etc to be called patch zergs, but it's even more sad for the freaking korean terrans who lost to inferior players despite working harder and better for a long time. | ||
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boxturtle
United States224 Posts
On August 20 2012 17:24 FuzzyJAM wrote: You might as well call Terrans who did well prior to the patch "pre-patch Terrans". It's fucking stupid. People did call Morrow, bitbybit & co talentless when Terran was OP. Now they're calling any Zerg who started popping up as the result of a game breaking patch patchzerg. | ||
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