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Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
August 22 2012 10:39 GMT
#521
On August 22 2012 19:29 scypio wrote:
Well, I can see the patchzergs coming out in the lower leagues. I've been playing a lot of games vs diamond zergs lately. And the more I play them the less I fear them.

A couple of months back meeting a diamond level zerg was scary for me. In most cases he could take me apart with superior multitasking, mutalisk harass, denying bases etc. Now meeting such zerg is a real treat - I wonder where did those guys go. Oh yeah, masters league probably.

The new, improved diamond patchzerg is just sitting there, building queens and waiting for the infestor/bl to come out. He is able to pick me apart with that composition in 95% of games (if he gets there), still - I'm just no longer impressed.

In the end I like the way this patch works out as it gives me more time to be aggressive and have some good poking around, sniping bases etc. Now I'm even no longer frustrated with sniping the third into losing-to-deathball scenarios, as these things seem to be quite common even on pro level (see Vortix's games on IEM).

For me the "old-style" TvZ was more fun to watch but much harder to play. Now, with the patchzergs around it seems that it is the other way around.

It's actually quite funny the other way round as well. Having those Terrans that either go for a 2base allin or 3-4CC+mech opening and you're just sitting on a solid 2base economy and kill them with some basic roach play.
I guess thats why many toplevel zergs like nerchio still prefer the 7min or later expansions.
SupLilSon
Profile Joined October 2011
Malaysia4123 Posts
August 22 2012 10:40 GMT
#522
On August 22 2012 19:15 Velr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2012 18:50 TheDwf wrote:
On August 22 2012 18:45 Velr wrote:
Which is only a problem when the Terran is actually exploiting it. Else it's a good way to deal with it because a much more powerfull force will kill a smaller force in less time with less losses.

The ball to exploit that "shit" is on the Terrans foot, not on the Zergs and the Patch has just about nothing to do with it.

Yeah, obviously you need 120 army supply to deal with 8 Marines and 1 Medivac. You can't send enough to quickly crush the drop but not everything so that the Terran is not able to gain ground...


Do you have troubles reading?

People here are bitching about Zergs sending their hole army to defend against 8 Marines and getting away with it, this is the Terrans fault, not the Zergs. If the Terran is too bad to exploit this flaw in the Zergs reaction then the Terran is to blame... Not some "Patch" or whatever. If the Terran is not exploiting this weakness sending a BIG army to defend against a tiny one is actually the better answer then sending "just enough".

A flaw in a play is only a problem if the enemy is capable of exploiting it... Most Terrans seem to not do that (or not doing it harsh enough), so Zergs keep on "1A-Syndroming". Sometimes they lose cause of it, often it doesn't matter.


It's the same like many Terrans losing their Vkining clump to a few Fungals, Broodlords dieing to 1 Vortex/Toilet... Flaws in play which with a bit better control could be erradicated... But they don't seem to punish you hard enough so it will take some time until not only the very, very, very best will stop doing these mistakes.


Please watch the games. You are like a step behind everyone.
decaf
Profile Joined October 2010
Austria1797 Posts
August 22 2012 11:09 GMT
#523
I think the main imbalance is the difference in skill required to play each race. I wish blizzard would raise the skill ceiling for protoss and zerg in HotS, but instead it looks like they're making terran easier - and that makes me really sad. I love playing terran as it is now.

Some shocking stats to support what I'm saying:
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/individual-leagues
th0
Profile Joined February 2011
Norway12 Posts
October 03 2012 13:07 GMT
#524
2+ on queens wont make a zerg magically become a lot bether. So terran cant win as easy with 6 hellions now? that makes zerg op?

most players become bether over time. i see alot of terran and toss win vs zerg. The difference is maby that they adapt to meta bether =)
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