EPTAnd sample size is to small to make a conclusion of the situation
Patchzergs, Real or Imagniary? - Page 10
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WindWolf
Sweden11767 Posts
And sample size is to small to make a conclusion of the situation | ||
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ProfSc
United States51 Posts
Edit: Typo replaced "through" with "though." | ||
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Xcobidoo
Sweden1871 Posts
How come so many old zergs started dropping games after the last patch? Could they not handle their new OP-status so they had to calm down a bit so that Blizzard would not nerf them instantly? Most new badasses, from Korea or elsewhere, seem to come from nowhere (PartinG, Seed, Symbol, viOLet, Squirtle, Stephano etc.) most of them have been good for a long time but something makes a radical change for them. Be it a change of environment, a change of practice routine or a bit of both. The fact that many good zergs started to fall off and a new "generation" popped up recently points to one thing and one thing only. Players like SortOf and VortiX quickly adapted to a fresh style of zerg whilst others like Leenock and Ret started to suck. Last season's GSL was the perfect spread of race in the ro8 (possibly ever) and the season before there were no Zergs in the top 8, none. Sure there's always going to be whine from the community, that is expected when Lose McForfeit can't deal with patching in platinum but this shit has gone way too far now and makes LR threads almost impossible to read, something that was hard to begin with already... | ||
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Aristotle7
United States120 Posts
That kind of a change seems rather suspicious. | ||
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Kreb
4834 Posts
The fact that theres up to 8% difference in mirror matchups between the data points, and upwards of 15% difference in ZvP (which was a largely unaffected matchup by the queen buffs) just shows those stats arent reliable. Its both a too small sample size, at also given that people "figure out" how to beat old builds and come up with new builds all the time, someones strength in a matchup can differ from week to week. You can guess that some of their recent success in ZvT was due to the patch, but such a conclusion is more due to the patch notes than due to their win rates. | ||
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KrazyTrumpet
United States2520 Posts
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Orracle
United States314 Posts
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InVerno
258 Posts
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InfusedTT.DaZe
Romania693 Posts
Also Suppy is a better example of this than slivko and vortix | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On August 20 2012 16:36 KrazyTrumpet wrote: Jaedong is clearly a PatchZerg. Oh god that guy is soooo aweful. If Zerg would take any skill, he would be the 18276918976489712468715479816245 worst player in the world! I mean, if Flash or Bisu just trained Zerg for a day, they would win 7289417726171264871264 tournaments per second!!! | ||
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Benjamin99
4176 Posts
On August 20 2012 14:32 Talin wrote: Agreed. This thread seems like a very sneaky and underhanded way of encouraging this so-called "discussion" and focusing attention on the recent results of these three players. If they weren't regarded as patchzergs before this thread, they probably will be (to a larger extent) now. It defiantly is. The OP should be ashamed. The OP manage to balance whine and player bash while disguise it in a form of a discussion thread. | ||
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
On August 20 2012 09:32 bonedOUT wrote: I think that the patch affected zvt the most. You can see that they all improved quite a bit (5.4%, 7.7%, and an astounding 14%). patchzerg it is! and the -14 for zvp ? these 3 was good long before patch, no idea about JRecco On August 20 2012 17:01 Benjamin99 wrote: It defiantly is. The OP should be ashamed. The OP manage to balance whine and player bash while disguise it in a form of a discussion thread. you read the topic ? his conclusion is they are NO patchzergs ... and the discussion says along time they are so he defend them... | ||
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Benjamin99
4176 Posts
On August 20 2012 17:05 CoR wrote: and the -14 for zvp ? these 3 was good long before patch, no idea about JRecco you read the topic ? his conclusion is they are NO patchzergs ... and the discussion says along time they are so he defend them... Well that's the disguise buddy. This thread is actually really mean towards those 3 players mentioned. You just have to look true the smokescreen | ||
Heyoka
Katowice25012 Posts
Ultimately there is also a large problem in separating what is actual increase in skill and what is something intrinsic to the game, and it's never going to be possible to find a way to normalize for that. | ||
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furo
Germany449 Posts
one bad day in a final losing 0-3 could change a 30:20 score (when winning 3-0) to a 27:23. thats more than a 5% difference in the MU and its only one bo5 that changed it. i agree that these players worked hard and deserved the good PR. i agree that sniperqueens and speedolords helped them alot. | ||
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Chaosvuistje
Netherlands2581 Posts
It's a belittling of the new foreign zerg players' achievements. And it would be rather lame if it weren't for all the zerg players winning money to stuff their ears from the whining. Vortix just has a really odd style that most people aren't used to. That's why his winrate is so high. | ||
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Ktk
Korea (South)753 Posts
"Patchzergs" aka "potential new zerg bonjwas" also included Moon (ofc he is experienced, but wowed people with unpredictable wins), Byul (OK before, exploded, where is he now), Freaky(unique style, see prev), some people even consider Symbol and Life overrated too. Whenever other zergs like Monster, Line, or Golden won against anyone with a reputation people just pointed at the patch, just because they weren't winning as much before the patch... That's what the last patch was supposed to do anyways, have Zergs win some more. No bias about it, it was a Zerg buff, that's what Zerg buffs do. That's what buffs for any race do... This one might have been more significant, but no need to point out that a player won because of a game mechanic, because it's how the game works and there's nothing outside of practicing (and sending an angry letter to David Kim when you get pro maybe) you can do about it This lasted for afaik a notable chunk of the last GSTL. No need to cry imbalance now, we've have been doing this for a loong time. | ||
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KrazyTrumpet
United States2520 Posts
Obviously the patch helped against a particular Terran opening, as it was designed to, but I would think that maybe more practice time paying off is the real reason. Besides, Korean players have always seemed to struggle against the much less well known EU/NA players simply because they have no idea about playstyles and can't really prepare. Food for thought, anyway. | ||
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peidongyang
Canada2084 Posts
sometimes they do legitimately make it seem they play like bonjwas and sometimes its like ?1a army and lose Oo | ||
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Hypemeup
Sweden2783 Posts
I still prefer my drawing I made in the IEM thread while waiting for the finals ;d + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/5LSAV.jpg) 1A the entire army to deal with 1 drop, (eye)patch zerg style! | ||
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