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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
i consider "star sense" a huge part of the game, being able to eye how many workers you have and timings without even looking at the clock is skill...why they removing these? its already become so easily to defend against dt/banshee most efficiently just by looking at the clock... | ||
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confusedcrib
United States1307 Posts
Edit: Let me clarify, I don't think it's game breaking or anything, I'll just miss that little extra multitasking. | ||
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uSnAmplified
United States1029 Posts
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setzer
United States3284 Posts
On June 09 2012 08:19 Defacer wrote: Let's put it this way -- you could increase the skill cap of Chess by making all the pieces white and forcing players to remember who's is what, or forcing players to move their pieces with chopsticks. But that's not how chess is intended to be challenging. Anything that improves the user interface of a game for both players and fans should be welcomed. It improves the experience for entry level players and spectators but will have almost no impact on the game at the professional level. Edit: SC2 is a strategy game, not a game about counting moving objects. Actually it is a real-time strategy (RTS) game and you do count moving units all the time, both your own and the enemies. This is a very unnecessary addition to the game meant to make it even more casual and inviting. "improving the UI" is a terrible reason for this being implemented. Why not, then, add counters and displays to show how many of each unit you have and when future units/upgrades are finished? Lots of clicking and interpreting information is a part of the game and a reason why Starcraft is head-and-shoulders above the cheap RTS knock-offs that have come along over the last decade. | ||
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StarBrift
Sweden1761 Posts
On June 09 2012 08:31 uSnAmplified wrote: No i understand it, and being a smartass is perfectly fine response when someone wants to be an obvious asshole and come up with a jackass response like the original quote. Compared to MBS and auto mine this is a extremely small change, to bitch about it at this point is just doing it for the sake of bitching and being critical about something. Counting to 24 isn't hard, the two seconds it takes you to box the workers and count lines and add for gases being minded is now replaced by taking one second to look at a number, big fucking deal. Calling me stupid, ignorant or claiming that i don't know how to play doesn't actually prove that counting to 24 is hard skill by the way, it just makes you look like a jackass. In a real game with 3 bases. 2+2+2 = 6. 6 Seconds in a hectic high level game is significant. After this change zerg players will be able to cycle through their hatches during combat or at any other time in the game. Suddenly I can have perfect econ management at significantly lower levels of multitasking. If you don't understand this concept after I've explained this then the discussion is over because you have problems reading and comprehending simple logic. | ||
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Xlancer
United States126 Posts
On June 09 2012 07:53 Embir wrote: I guess people dont understand Blizzard philosophy - all the interface changes, with the exception of Automining, were done because there werent involved any decisions when you make them - they want to remove those interface limitations and leave for players those elements where decision will be made by them. Using chees analogy - they dont want you to made figures from pieces of wood, they want you to actually play and make decisions. Basically thanks to all those changes hated by elitist, SC2 isn't game where you need brainless grind to overcome interface limitations, but where you can actualy focus on gameplan and strategy. I love this direction. I agree, it frees up apm so pros can use it on executing more complex strategies. The strategies in HotS are totally going to blow BW and WoL out of the water | ||
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Adreme
United States5574 Posts
On June 09 2012 08:36 confusedcrib wrote: I really don't like this change. Counting workers was one of the small and amazing things that separated a good player from a great one. I cant see someone who doenst take time to mouse over there workers in mid game taking time to click on CC and fix it. | ||
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labbe
Sweden1456 Posts
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teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
On June 09 2012 08:17 StarBrift wrote: If you trul,y can't understand how counting workers at 3-4 bases in a hectic game is an advanced skill then you are really really ignorant and know close to nothing about high level startcraft. Stop trying to be a smartass and call other people stupid when you don't understand the fundamentals of the game. This is sarcasm/troll, right...? | ||
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CtrlShiftAltGrrrrrrr
544 Posts
On June 09 2012 08:26 Gheed wrote: You still have to click and read a number. Literally the only aspect of skill this alleviates is being able to mentally multiply by 8 and subtract however many don't fill up the last line. No. Thats like if u had an alert that tells u "build a supply depot in the 10 next second or u will be supply blocked". Its is right in front of your eyes, you dont have to force yourself to remember to do it, the game tells you to do it. Its pretty big. | ||
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EMPaThy789
New Zealand878 Posts
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ArvickHero
10387 Posts
in the end nobody really gives a fuck | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On June 09 2012 08:23 AndAgain wrote: If you want the interface to be as simple as possible, there are lots of other things you can add. For example, an auto-produce button on any building. Obviously, we don't want the interface to either be as simply or as complex as it can be. There should be some sort of proper degree. I don't see how this simplification is desirable. Interface -- The actual GUI -- is NOT the same as actual game design. You're equating an aesthetic or graphic design change, which makes what's happening in the game easier to understand, with automating the game. There is a big difference. To further the chess analogy, you believe showing the worker count is like allowing Deep Blue to make chess moves on Kasparov's behalf. It's more akin to Kasparov playing speed chess, and allowing a visible timer on the table. We could take the minimap, resources mined and supply counts out of the game, too. All it would do is make the game ridiculously hard and unbearable for everyone but a handful of people, and DISCOURAGE mastery. If anything, having the worker count displayed ENCOURAGES mastery, providing an basic in-game stat that players can use to perfect their play. It will make players play better, not make gameplay 'easier'. | ||
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GreyKnight
United States4720 Posts
Dont like the implications. Whats next? Give us the observer functions? | ||
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
On June 09 2012 08:40 GreyKnight wrote: Well many pros still dont mine efficiently so this is amusing. Dont like the implications. Whats next? Give us the observer functions? i bet you they actually contemplated about that...scary thought. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15520 Posts
Available in game = what the fuck, why? God damn. | ||
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-Kira
352 Posts
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Psychobabas
2531 Posts
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CtrlShiftAltGrrrrrrr
544 Posts
On June 09 2012 08:37 setzer wrote: Actually it is a real-time strategy (RTS) game and you do count moving units all the time, both your own and the enemies. This is a very unnecessary addition to the game meant to make it even more casual and inviting. "improving the UI" is a terrible reason for this being implemented. Why not, then, add counters and displays to show how many of each unit you have and when future units/upgrades are finished? Lots of clicking and interpreting information is a part of the game and a reason why Starcraft is head-and-shoulders above the cheap RTS knock-offs that have come along over the last decade. yea seriously why not make a production tab of your own units in game. its the direction this change is taking that upsets me the most, and i think a good number of ppl who are unhappy with it feel the same way. competitive rts isnt about getting spoon fed... | ||
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Daniel C
Hong Kong1606 Posts
On June 09 2012 08:22 StarBrift wrote: With this change my econ management would be equal to DRG or Nestea. roflol! OT: I don't see the problem with this change. It gives you information, that's all, doesn't help you micro or make decisions. Or are you one of those people who think less information = better? So let's remove things like supply counts and mineral shrinking animation and upgrade progress and game timer and no. of resources because clearly a good player would be able to keep track of all of these and we don't need to make the game any easier!! | ||
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