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Champi
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Roman666
Poland1440 Posts
On June 05 2012 14:44 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Seriously? Not even fucking close. Do you have any idea what you're talking about? I think he doesn't. Its not like Spades was betting against himself for money, man. This is not even close. | ||
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babylon
8765 Posts
On June 05 2012 14:41 superstartran wrote: People who think that cheating doesn't occur in tournaments or pro houses are really naive. A good example of this happening years ago occured in WC3 years ago when Sky blatantly broke the rules and flat out cheated against GoStop at WCG, the biggest tournament of the year. That was kinda like the Naniwa "watching replay" scandal. For more information (for ppl interested, somewhat biased but lays out the "basics" of what happened decently well, there are all sorts of sides to this story and Sky was notably depressed, apologetic, and confused afterwards): http://www.gotfrag.com/war/story/35083/ | ||
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Psychonian
United States2322 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/2009/8/16/128949157150193210.jpg) Couldn't help that... lol User was warned for this post | ||
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JerKy
Korea (South)3013 Posts
On June 05 2012 14:45 Valentine wrote: Fear for humanity, not eSports. eSports is fine. I shall amend my statement and agree with you Sorry~ | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33723 Posts
On June 05 2012 14:40 Positronic wrote: I do believe Jinro, but I'm reserving judgement until Diamond comes out with whatever he knows, etc. I'm really not saying it didn't happen as I have no way of knowing - I'll only say I never saw oGs do it. | ||
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SnowFantasy
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Vei
United States2845 Posts
On June 05 2012 14:23 Liquid`Jinro wrote: In early days of Korean SC2 I can promise you this happened, but now? I mean maybe, but I would kinda doubt it. EDIT: And to clarify what I mean by early, I mean REALLY, REALLY early, like... first month or two before things started getting professional. I really hope this no longer happens -- but either way I hope delays on big tourney streams are at least 5-10 minutes or so... just knowing stream cheating might be a possibility detracts from the value of huge successes like MKP's recent all-kill vs ST, because it casts doubt on everyone, and someone like MKP who undoubtedly works harder than I can even imagine doesn't deserve anything but 100% trust that the results we see from him, and others, are candid. | ||
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Subversive
Australia2229 Posts
On June 05 2012 14:41 SnowFantasy wrote: You're also damn retarded then. however, if players do indeed have court appearances, get fined, and serve community service I'll send you that PM in a heartbeat. hahahahaha And have commentators profusely appologising to fans and begging people to come to a finals. And have the biggest historical names go down in flames. I can't see an apology PM incoming ^^ | ||
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ImNightmare
1575 Posts
On June 05 2012 14:47 SnowFantasy wrote: If you think this will be anywhere NEAR as big as the bw matchfixing scandal you are so wrong. Savior destroyed BW because he is a big shot in it. Spades is...yeah, no way people will remember about this one month later | ||
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Woizit
801 Posts
That still doesn't excuse the flaw in the MLG set up, tournaments just have to be careful about such things. | ||
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Corrosive
Canada3741 Posts
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
On June 05 2012 14:36 l10f wrote: 2 doesn't say "can be larger than you think" it says "there are a lot, contrary to what you may think". Thank you for this. That is a very important distinction in translation. | ||
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MCXD
Australia2738 Posts
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DeepElemBlues
United States5080 Posts
Well, while it's bad form to throw someone under the bus, I'm just going to do it because all this came out and I have a fact that actually matters. Spades stream cheated during showmatches that he played while he lived with me at what was the Reign house. It's a carry over from the stream cheating that many Koreans do in the Korean prohouses (Both Spades and Artist have confirmed with me that Koreans frequently stream cheat in team leagues and showmatches against foreigners out of pride). If ever I saw it happen when I was in the house, I would immediately try to stop them, but I know on occasion it still occured, most notably in a match Spades played against Gatored last year. About maphacking, I have no idea and have no opinion on the matter other than either option wouldn't surprise me. I would want to say though, that cheating occurs way more than people realize, and I actually would not be so hard on him for this evidence, even if it is true. Players better than Spades actively cheat, particularly stream cheat or simply ghosting, because of how easy it is. Example - Leenock was over a player's shoulder at MLG Providence helping them during a game, giving them hints in Korean. It's pretty common." From the 67th page of the "Spades hacks" TL thread. EDIT: His Second Post: "Time spent in multiple Korean prohouses. They both told me it was standard in Korea and even more wide spread there than it is here. The exact scenario was, I asked Artist if Koreans cheated, he shrugged and said "Yes. Korean standard." It was almost a joke, but we discussed it more later. There's a completely different view point of it there. I had to explain to Artist how badly America and Europe thought of it and stress he could never do it, it would be the end of his career if he did. It took me like 30 minutes to really make it clear how unacceptable it was to everyone, and to me personally." He says that Spades stream cheating was a "carry-over" from "many Koreans" doing it in the Pro houses. This may be a reference to what Jinro said: it happened a lot early in SC2, and is not widespread now. Or it could mean that in Mirhi's knowledge or opinion (and the difference is significant), it still goes on. He says Artist told him it was "Korean standard," again implying that it is/was widespread. What we don't know is when these conversations took place. Mirhi states without equivocation several times, but without reference to a time period, that stream cheating and ghosting in online tournaments among Koreans in Pro houses is (or, was, or, hopefully, his information is inaccurate) a frequent occurrence. If true, the impact this would have on online tournaments could be pretty detrimental. These allegations are very serious and need to be investigated. | ||
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tribulator
774 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=184044 | ||
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Kergy
Peru2011 Posts
On June 05 2012 14:46 Liquid`Jinro wrote: I'm really not saying it didn't happen as I have no way of knowing - I'll only say I never saw oGs do it. All cool as long as my boy ForGG is clean  | ||
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ImNightmare
1575 Posts
On June 05 2012 14:51 Corrosive wrote: I cant believe people are comparing this to saviOr rofl. even if nestea, mvp, and mkp all got caught hacking in an online tournament it wouldn't be close to savior and other people fixing matches for personal profit gains. they went to court and got community service and shit for that. Just off topic, but I don't think anymore ex bw pros would cheat. The punishment for savior and the rest was harsh, nestea mvp and mkp all have backgrounds in bw and I am sure they know what it means to cheat. | ||
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Corrosive
Canada3741 Posts
On June 05 2012 14:53 ImNightmare wrote: Just off topic, but I don't think anymore ex bw pros would cheat. The punishment for savior and the rest was harsh, nestea mvp and mkp all have backgrounds in bw and I am sure they know what it means to cheat. yeah i understand i was just throwing out some big names for examples. | ||
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Positronic
121 Posts
On June 05 2012 14:46 Liquid`Jinro wrote: I'm really not saying it didn't happen as I have no way of knowing - I'll only say I never saw oGs do it. Exactly. What you posted is all I take your word for, and nothing more. It's nice to see some assurance that it likely didn't happen in one of the team houses a lot of people cheer for the team of, but as we all know, we can't have a Jinro in every Korean team house  | ||
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