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CuteZergling
Profile Joined November 2011
641 Posts
June 05 2012 06:04 GMT
#141
Hell of a week not to have L03 or ITG.
Team owner of team QTLing
KingVietKong
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States170 Posts
June 05 2012 06:04 GMT
#142
On June 05 2012 14:54 windsupernova wrote:
True or not this just begs to the question of why aren't streams for money tournaments being delayed to prevent this(and thus make this kind of accusations with 0 proof except for "trust me guyz I have contacts")?


Yea gotta agree with this. The amount of brainspace this conundrum takes up for me is relatively small, but I've always been curious as to the lack of a good delay. In DOTA 2 it's a long built in delay on the spectator mode for a reason.

I guess the argument is so the casters can interact with chat but... who gives a fuck about that? Let individual players do that on their stream, needs to be a 1 or 2 minute delay on stuff involving money. That or everything cast from replays, which again for some reason people dislike.

Same thing applies to the MLG stations that people can crowd around and whisper about. I don't really think Leenock would do stupid shit like that, but whether he did or not, people like to talk about the game they're watching RIGHT NOW. They're not trying to give info to a player, but they might overhear anyway accidentally. Just kind of a dumb situation.
Chemist391
Profile Joined October 2010
United States368 Posts
June 05 2012 06:04 GMT
#143
A Korea/Foreigner spat on the eve of MLG Anaheim, where KeSPA players are supposed to play SC2 in North America for the first time?

This is extremely not rad.
polyphonyEX
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2539 Posts
June 05 2012 06:04 GMT
#144
On June 05 2012 15:02 Positronic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 14:58 chipmonklord17 wrote:
On June 05 2012 14:56 RPR_Tempest wrote:


Oh god, this fucking community is eating each other.


I love that guy <3


Idra laying the fucking smackdown XFD

No, he's just balance whining like usual. Attention-getting and absolutely irrelevant to the discussion.
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-05 06:05:44
June 05 2012 06:05 GMT
#145
On June 05 2012 15:04 CuteZergling wrote:
Hell of a week not to have L03 or ITG.


Maybe... This was all a part of their plan!

[Insert baseless conspiracy theory]
EDIT: How was idra balance whining again? He pointed out choya did use "dirty" tactics on ladder at one point
Megaliskuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5123 Posts
June 05 2012 06:05 GMT
#146
On June 05 2012 15:03 kalteras wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 15:00 SnowFantasy wrote:
On June 05 2012 14:58 kalteras wrote:
On June 05 2012 14:49 ImNightmare wrote:
On June 05 2012 14:47 SnowFantasy wrote:
If you think this will be anywhere NEAR as big as the bw matchfixing scandal you are so wrong.

Savior destroyed BW because he is a big shot in it. Spades is...yeah, no way people will remember about this one month later

Saying SaviOr as a "big shot" is putting it lightly, he was the only zerg winning not only games but star league finals and the community (and south korea) was behind him 100%. Correct me if I'm wrong but he was pretty damn close to Bonjwa status I believe and the end result was detremental to the scene.

you can't really compare these two scandals, they're not even close in magnitude.


Savior was more than "close to Bonjwa status".

Savior was the first one to be recognized as a Bonjwa.


I thought that was boxer? I wasn't aware of starcrafts existence until last year, but there's a good article here on TL all about SaviOr's rise and fall, super interesting look into this scenes past. here's the link if anyone wants it http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=226236


He was THE bonjwa (although it first came up with July), they applied the term to Boxer and OoV after.
|BW>Everything|Add me on star2 KR server TheMuTaL.675 for practice games :)|NEX clan| https://www.dotabuff.com/players/183104694
OzVelas
Profile Joined September 2011
Bulgaria516 Posts
June 05 2012 06:05 GMT
#147
On June 05 2012 14:30 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 14:24 SupLilSon wrote:
On June 05 2012 14:20 chipmonklord17 wrote:
On June 05 2012 14:19 SupLilSon wrote:
Koreans have completely dominated every LAN event in over a year. They clearly do not need to stream cheat in order to win.


The core of the issue isn't about whether they need to or not, its if they do or do not


I'm saying that coupled with korean's ethic around cheating (BW incident) makes me HIGHLY doubtful that this would be happening openly in Korean pro houses.

Back during KBK (2001, broodwar, online ladder where winners got invited to the offline KBK finals in Korea), nearly every single person who made it cheated in some form (and I mean Koreans and non-Koreans)... I'm not saying that there's no difference between 2001 and today, especially in a post-Savior world, but I think people sometimes forget that in the end most progamers are a bunch of kids, and kids tend to make questionable decisions.
.


lol u remember that I and my mate scream and elky cheated and went to korea.
NamePending
Profile Joined October 2011
United States10 Posts
June 05 2012 06:05 GMT
#148
On June 05 2012 14:57 masterbreti wrote:
just wanted to chime in. I think what artist said is very untrue or based on his few little personal experiences. I know that during my stay in prime house I didn't see a single instance of this. So this is very in accurate.


Hold on. So you say Artist's claims are based on few little personal experiences but your own claims are based off of your limited time spent in one gaming house? How much more limited could pro-gaming experiences get? I don't know, maybe you do have truly extensive pro-gaming experiences, but the content of your post is highly contradictory and rather ironic.
rd
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2586 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-05 06:06:53
June 05 2012 06:06 GMT
#149
On June 05 2012 14:56 RPR_Tempest wrote:
https://twitter.com/idrajit/status/209885078761906176

Oh god, this fucking community is eating each other.


Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn.

I totally forgot about that, too. I wish I could high-five IdrA.
ImNightmare
Profile Joined May 2012
1575 Posts
June 05 2012 06:06 GMT
#150
On June 05 2012 15:04 polyphonyEX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 15:02 Positronic wrote:
On June 05 2012 14:58 chipmonklord17 wrote:
On June 05 2012 14:56 RPR_Tempest wrote:
https://twitter.com/idrajit/status/209885078761906176

Oh god, this fucking community is eating each other.


I love that guy <3


Idra laying the fucking smackdown XFD

No, he's just balance whining like usual. Attention-getting and absolutely irrelevant to the discussion.

Naniwa? O.O
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
June 05 2012 06:07 GMT
#151
On June 05 2012 15:04 polyphonyEX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 15:02 Positronic wrote:
On June 05 2012 14:58 chipmonklord17 wrote:
On June 05 2012 14:56 RPR_Tempest wrote:
https://twitter.com/idrajit/status/209885078761906176

Oh god, this fucking community is eating each other.


I love that guy <3


Idra laying the fucking smackdown XFD

No, he's just balance whining like usual. Attention-getting and absolutely irrelevant to the discussion.

no literally rock paper scissors
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IMNasty
Profile Joined February 2012
663 Posts
June 05 2012 06:07 GMT
#152
On June 05 2012 14:58 kalteras wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 14:49 ImNightmare wrote:
On June 05 2012 14:47 SnowFantasy wrote:
If you think this will be anywhere NEAR as big as the bw matchfixing scandal you are so wrong.

Savior destroyed BW because he is a big shot in it. Spades is...yeah, no way people will remember about this one month later

Saying SaviOr as a "big shot" is putting it lightly, he was the only zerg winning not only games but star league finals and the community (and south korea) was behind him 100%. Correct me if I'm wrong but he was pretty damn close to Bonjwa status I believe and the end result was detremental to the scene.

you can't really compare these two scandals, they're not even close in magnitude.


uh, savior was THE bonjwa
polyphonyEX
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2539 Posts
June 05 2012 06:07 GMT
#153
On June 05 2012 15:05 chipmonklord17 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 15:04 CuteZergling wrote:
Hell of a week not to have L03 or ITG.


Maybe... This was all a part of their plan!

[Insert baseless conspiracy theory]
EDIT: How was idra balance whining again? He pointed out choya did use "dirty" tactics on ladder at one point

protoss all-ins and shit. Idra just doesn't stop
ImNightmare
Profile Joined May 2012
1575 Posts
June 05 2012 06:08 GMT
#154
On June 05 2012 15:07 IMNasty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 14:58 kalteras wrote:
On June 05 2012 14:49 ImNightmare wrote:
On June 05 2012 14:47 SnowFantasy wrote:
If you think this will be anywhere NEAR as big as the bw matchfixing scandal you are so wrong.

Savior destroyed BW because he is a big shot in it. Spades is...yeah, no way people will remember about this one month later

Saying SaviOr as a "big shot" is putting it lightly, he was the only zerg winning not only games but star league finals and the community (and south korea) was behind him 100%. Correct me if I'm wrong but he was pretty damn close to Bonjwa status I believe and the end result was detremental to the scene.

you can't really compare these two scandals, they're not even close in magnitude.


uh, savior was THE bonjwa

You know even though he was a bastard for bringing down a whole scene. That sounds so awesome. THE bonjwa,
Oboeman
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3980 Posts
June 05 2012 06:08 GMT
#155
On June 05 2012 15:07 polyphonyEX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 15:05 chipmonklord17 wrote:
On June 05 2012 15:04 CuteZergling wrote:
Hell of a week not to have L03 or ITG.


Maybe... This was all a part of their plan!

[Insert baseless conspiracy theory]
EDIT: How was idra balance whining again? He pointed out choya did use "dirty" tactics on ladder at one point

protoss all-ins and shit. Idra just doesn't stop


literally, rock paper scissors

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=184044

but this is the past, not the present.
polyphonyEX
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2539 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-05 06:12:49
June 05 2012 06:09 GMT
#156
About that rps thing, I saw huk do it on stream once (he was next to the guy) and nobody gave a fuck. Double standards are so funny.
Of course, if it's random people on ladder then it's different but then again who is really stupid enough to just leave a ladder game like that? I hate this community sometimes.
zawk9
Profile Joined March 2011
United States427 Posts
June 05 2012 06:09 GMT
#157
On June 05 2012 15:04 polyphonyEX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 15:02 Positronic wrote:
On June 05 2012 14:58 chipmonklord17 wrote:
On June 05 2012 14:56 RPR_Tempest wrote:
https://twitter.com/idrajit/status/209885078761906176

Oh god, this fucking community is eating each other.


I love that guy <3


Idra laying the fucking smackdown XFD

No, he's just balance whining like usual. Attention-getting and absolutely irrelevant to the discussion.


Huh? I can see how you might read it that way, but that twitter comment is actually referencing an event not balance whining...
there's a bug in the new patch where the other player keeps killing all my dudes.. please nerf this
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
June 05 2012 06:10 GMT
#158
On June 05 2012 15:07 polyphonyEX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 15:05 chipmonklord17 wrote:
On June 05 2012 15:04 CuteZergling wrote:
Hell of a week not to have L03 or ITG.


Maybe... This was all a part of their plan!

[Insert baseless conspiracy theory]
EDIT: How was idra balance whining again? He pointed out choya did use "dirty" tactics on ladder at one point

protoss all-ins and shit. Idra just doesn't stop


No, Choya legitmately played rock paper scissors on ladder for points in the early days of SC2, he was banned from participating in either an Open Season or a GSTL season for it (or part of it).


Also completely off topic in every way but because you posted here, idra is there any particular reason you kept your post icon as the terran icons? I wondered that one day and never thought it was important enough to ask
FXOjEcho
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada318 Posts
June 05 2012 06:10 GMT
#159
On June 05 2012 15:04 polyphonyEX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 15:02 Positronic wrote:
On June 05 2012 14:58 chipmonklord17 wrote:
On June 05 2012 14:56 RPR_Tempest wrote:
https://twitter.com/idrajit/status/209885078761906176

Oh god, this fucking community is eating each other.


I love that guy <3


Idra laying the fucking smackdown XFD

No, he's just balance whining like usual. Attention-getting and absolutely irrelevant to the discussion.


how is that balance whining? i believe it was choya who was literally playing rock paper scissors vs ppl on ladder loser leaves. This was when ladder rank was being used to determine seeds or invites for some tournament/league.
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
June 05 2012 06:11 GMT
#160
This is ridiculous. Sometimes, TL is among the worst internet communities out there. I mean okay, Spades may have made a few suspiciously good decisions based on no info, but accusing Leenock of anything you can't prove is serious (the same, of course, goes for Spades - but there's more evidence in his case, true or not). I really hope this blows over soon - it'll hurt the scene if it doesn't.
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