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NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
June 05 2012 06:11 GMT
#161
Idra throwing his 2 cents in, but that's idra I guess. Artist was in what 1 or 2 korean houses? fou and reign? and spades was in reign, I actually don't see how in 2 cases is enough to blow things out of proportion like this,however esvdiamond was talking about some messages he received he never released anything though.I feel like more concrete proof is necessary.
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ImNightmare
Profile Joined May 2012
1575 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-05 06:13:42
June 05 2012 06:11 GMT
#162
On June 05 2012 15:09 polyphonyEX wrote:
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On June 05 2012 15:06 ImNightmare wrote:
On June 05 2012 15:04 polyphonyEX wrote:
On June 05 2012 15:02 Positronic wrote:
On June 05 2012 14:58 chipmonklord17 wrote:
On June 05 2012 14:56 RPR_Tempest wrote:


Oh god, this fucking community is eating each other.


I love that guy <3


Idra laying the fucking smackdown XFD

No, he's just balance whining like usual. Attention-getting and absolutely irrelevant to the discussion.

Naniwa? O.O

Naniwa is like the polar opposite of Idra, he blames himself for his losses instead of the game.

LOL, oh man you are funny. You are joking right? Naniwa blames everyone for his losses man, where have you been! hahaha, "I saw 10 koreans with nestea discussing strategies against me", "Zerg op", "I wasn't playing 100% because the money at red bull was not worth it", "He won only because he got lucky".

Oh and my favorite, "overlord speed cost me to lose". I would say he is like idra, the protoss version and with a record of not being sociable.
walklightwhat
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia752 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-05 06:12:41
June 05 2012 06:11 GMT
#163
On June 05 2012 15:10 JEcho wrote:
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On June 05 2012 15:04 polyphonyEX wrote:
On June 05 2012 15:02 Positronic wrote:
On June 05 2012 14:58 chipmonklord17 wrote:
On June 05 2012 14:56 RPR_Tempest wrote:
https://twitter.com/idrajit/status/209885078761906176

Oh god, this fucking community is eating each other.


I love that guy <3


Idra laying the fucking smackdown XFD

No, he's just balance whining like usual. Attention-getting and absolutely irrelevant to the discussion.


how is that balance whining? i believe it was choya who was literally playing rock paper scissors vs ppl on ladder loser leaves. This was when ladder rank was being used to determine seeds or invites for some tournament/league.


Yes, this exactly. Have people really forgotten that Choya was banned for a GSL season because of playing rock/paper/scissors to decide ladder winner?
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
June 05 2012 06:12 GMT
#164
On June 05 2012 15:07 polyphonyEX wrote:
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On June 05 2012 15:05 chipmonklord17 wrote:
On June 05 2012 15:04 CuteZergling wrote:
Hell of a week not to have L03 or ITG.


Maybe... This was all a part of their plan!

[Insert baseless conspiracy theory]
EDIT: How was idra balance whining again? He pointed out choya did use "dirty" tactics on ladder at one point

protoss all-ins and shit. Idra just doesn't stop


No actually. The thing was, Choya LITERALLY played rock-paper-scissors immediately after the game started with his opponent, having the victor of that small game be the victor of the match. Choya only lost 2 points when he lost, but gained 20 for victory. So in effect it was abusing the ladder. And he was not the only one to do this. Although, do note that this was a fairly innocent ordeal, but it does take away some of the credit of Choya's statement
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
Ruscour
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
5233 Posts
June 05 2012 06:12 GMT
#165
On June 05 2012 15:07 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 15:04 polyphonyEX wrote:
On June 05 2012 15:02 Positronic wrote:
On June 05 2012 14:58 chipmonklord17 wrote:
On June 05 2012 14:56 RPR_Tempest wrote:
https://twitter.com/idrajit/status/209885078761906176

Oh god, this fucking community is eating each other.


I love that guy <3


Idra laying the fucking smackdown XFD

No, he's just balance whining like usual. Attention-getting and absolutely irrelevant to the discussion.

no literally rock paper scissors

you did the same thing with cella
masterbreti
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Korea (South)2711 Posts
June 05 2012 06:12 GMT
#166
On June 05 2012 15:05 NamePending wrote:
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On June 05 2012 14:57 masterbreti wrote:
just wanted to chime in. I think what artist said is very untrue or based on his few little personal experiences. I know that during my stay in prime house I didn't see a single instance of this. So this is very in accurate.


Hold on. So you say Artist's claims are based on few little personal experiences but your own claims are based off of your limited time spent in one gaming house? How much more limited could pro-gaming experiences get? I don't know, maybe you do have truly extensive pro-gaming experiences, but the content of your post is highly contradictory and rather ironic.


I'm saying that while living in the prime house for 3 months. I didn't see any stream cheating or anything. Artist's personal experience could be limited to fou, actually it is only limited to fou since that was the only korean team he has been in.

This may be more of a case of fou cheating than all Koreans cheating.
TeamBanished
Profile Joined September 2011
United States301 Posts
June 05 2012 06:13 GMT
#167
You know that feeling you got when you were 10 and they told you wrestling was fake?
For Aiur
lannisport
Profile Joined February 2012
878 Posts
June 05 2012 06:14 GMT
#168
On June 05 2012 15:03 kalteras wrote:
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On June 05 2012 15:00 SnowFantasy wrote:
On June 05 2012 14:58 kalteras wrote:
On June 05 2012 14:49 ImNightmare wrote:
On June 05 2012 14:47 SnowFantasy wrote:
If you think this will be anywhere NEAR as big as the bw matchfixing scandal you are so wrong.

Savior destroyed BW because he is a big shot in it. Spades is...yeah, no way people will remember about this one month later

Saying SaviOr as a "big shot" is putting it lightly, he was the only zerg winning not only games but star league finals and the community (and south korea) was behind him 100%. Correct me if I'm wrong but he was pretty damn close to Bonjwa status I believe and the end result was detremental to the scene.

you can't really compare these two scandals, they're not even close in magnitude.


Savior was more than "close to Bonjwa status".

Savior was the first one to be recognized as a Bonjwa.


I thought that was boxer? I wasn't aware of starcrafts existence until last year, but there's a good article here on TL all about SaviOr's rise and fall, super interesting look into this scenes past. here's the link if anyone wants it http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=226236


They invented the word "Bonjwa" for Savior. Then they applied it to others that came before him who demonstrated a similar scope of utter domination as he did.
sWs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States409 Posts
June 05 2012 06:14 GMT
#169
T.T want to hear some team-owners/coaches/managers thoughts on this, especially BoSS.
@swsc2
Corrosive
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3741 Posts
June 05 2012 06:14 GMT
#170
On June 05 2012 15:12 Ruscour wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 15:07 IdrA wrote:
On June 05 2012 15:04 polyphonyEX wrote:
On June 05 2012 15:02 Positronic wrote:
On June 05 2012 14:58 chipmonklord17 wrote:
On June 05 2012 14:56 RPR_Tempest wrote:
https://twitter.com/idrajit/status/209885078761906176

Oh god, this fucking community is eating each other.


I love that guy <3


Idra laying the fucking smackdown XFD

No, he's just balance whining like usual. Attention-getting and absolutely irrelevant to the discussion.

no literally rock paper scissors

you did the same thing with cella

once for fun in a zvz when ladder points weren't used to determine seeding into a tournament

big difference.
Maruprime.
polyphonyEX
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2539 Posts
June 05 2012 06:14 GMT
#171
On June 05 2012 15:10 JEcho wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 15:04 polyphonyEX wrote:
On June 05 2012 15:02 Positronic wrote:
On June 05 2012 14:58 chipmonklord17 wrote:
On June 05 2012 14:56 RPR_Tempest wrote:
https://twitter.com/idrajit/status/209885078761906176

Oh god, this fucking community is eating each other.


I love that guy <3


Idra laying the fucking smackdown XFD

No, he's just balance whining like usual. Attention-getting and absolutely irrelevant to the discussion.


how is that balance whining? i believe it was choya who was literally playing rock paper scissors vs ppl on ladder loser leaves. This was when ladder rank was being used to determine seeds or invites for some tournament/league.

Ok, I wasn't aware that that was what he was referencing. Seems pretty bad. I should take a break from this community.
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-05 06:16:54
June 05 2012 06:15 GMT
#172
On June 05 2012 15:12 masterbreti wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 15:05 NamePending wrote:
On June 05 2012 14:57 masterbreti wrote:
just wanted to chime in. I think what artist said is very untrue or based on his few little personal experiences. I know that during my stay in prime house I didn't see a single instance of this. So this is very in accurate.


Hold on. So you say Artist's claims are based on few little personal experiences but your own claims are based off of your limited time spent in one gaming house? How much more limited could pro-gaming experiences get? I don't know, maybe you do have truly extensive pro-gaming experiences, but the content of your post is highly contradictory and rather ironic.


I'm saying that while living in the prime house for 3 months. I didn't see any stream cheating or anything. Artist's personal experience could be limited to fou, actually it is only limited to fou since that was the only korean team he has been in.

This may be more of a case of fou cheating than all Koreans cheating.

And yet we have Choya stating that they don't.

Interesting.

Diamond has made some candid statements on Reddit about being incredibly worried that this might be true and that people should actually investigate this closely. In any case, I hope it's not. Even if it's not, delay + no ppl crowding players at MLG during a game plz, just to be safe.

One other thing that you don't have that Artist does is simply that ... well, Artist's Korean, and he knows the culture far better than you do. If he had trouble, as Mihri mentioned, realizing how serious streamcheating was, then that may be indicative of a bigger problem in how things like Playhem are seen. Or Artist could just be a shady dude, idk, but keep that in mind.
Bear4188
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1797 Posts
June 05 2012 06:15 GMT
#173
On June 05 2012 15:10 JEcho wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 15:04 polyphonyEX wrote:
On June 05 2012 15:02 Positronic wrote:
On June 05 2012 14:58 chipmonklord17 wrote:
On June 05 2012 14:56 RPR_Tempest wrote:
https://twitter.com/idrajit/status/209885078761906176

Oh god, this fucking community is eating each other.


I love that guy <3


Idra laying the fucking smackdown XFD

No, he's just balance whining like usual. Attention-getting and absolutely irrelevant to the discussion.


how is that balance whining? i believe it was choya who was literally playing rock paper scissors vs ppl on ladder loser leaves. This was when ladder rank was being used to determine seeds or invites for some tournament/league.


It was for GSL qualification, and he was subsequently banned from GSL for a few months or something.
"I learned very early the difference between knowing the name of something and knowing something." - R. Feynman
bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
June 05 2012 06:15 GMT
#174
On June 05 2012 15:11 Zealously wrote:
This is ridiculous. Sometimes, TL is among the worst internet communities out there. I mean okay, Spades may have made a few suspiciously good decisions based on no info, but accusing Leenock of anything you can't prove is serious (the same, of course, goes for Spades - but there's more evidence in his case, true or not). I really hope this blows over soon - it'll hurt the scene if it doesn't.


Don't worry about it really. 10% of any community are just loud and thoughtless. People are just jumping all over these silly comments, if you read most threads without bias most people aren't saying much of consequence or committing to a side until more information comes out.

The parts of TL I see are fine. Just that 10% which exists everywhere. Try to ignore people talking out their ass. Scene has already seen a bit of this, and we're still going strong.
Mvp - Leenock - Dongraegu - MC - Gumiho - Keen - Polt - Squirtle - Jjakji - Genius - Seed - Life - sC - Dream || LG-IM - MVP - FXO
Ruscour
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
5233 Posts
June 05 2012 06:15 GMT
#175
On June 05 2012 15:14 Corrosive wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 15:12 Ruscour wrote:
On June 05 2012 15:07 IdrA wrote:
On June 05 2012 15:04 polyphonyEX wrote:
On June 05 2012 15:02 Positronic wrote:
On June 05 2012 14:58 chipmonklord17 wrote:
On June 05 2012 14:56 RPR_Tempest wrote:
https://twitter.com/idrajit/status/209885078761906176

Oh god, this fucking community is eating each other.


I love that guy <3


Idra laying the fucking smackdown XFD

No, he's just balance whining like usual. Attention-getting and absolutely irrelevant to the discussion.

no literally rock paper scissors

you did the same thing with cella

once for fun in a zvz when ladder points weren't used to determine seeding into a tournament

big difference.

spades only maphacked once in a minor showmatch which doesn't seed into anything

is there a difference?

the point is it doesn't matter, it's just being a dick for the sake of being a dick
Klipsys
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1533 Posts
June 05 2012 06:15 GMT
#176
Is savior better than flash? Is savior the best BW player of all time?
Hudson Valley Progamer
Corrosive
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3741 Posts
June 05 2012 06:16 GMT
#177
On June 05 2012 15:15 Ruscour wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 15:14 Corrosive wrote:
On June 05 2012 15:12 Ruscour wrote:
On June 05 2012 15:07 IdrA wrote:
On June 05 2012 15:04 polyphonyEX wrote:
On June 05 2012 15:02 Positronic wrote:
On June 05 2012 14:58 chipmonklord17 wrote:
On June 05 2012 14:56 RPR_Tempest wrote:
https://twitter.com/idrajit/status/209885078761906176

Oh god, this fucking community is eating each other.


I love that guy <3


Idra laying the fucking smackdown XFD

No, he's just balance whining like usual. Attention-getting and absolutely irrelevant to the discussion.

no literally rock paper scissors

you did the same thing with cella

once for fun in a zvz when ladder points weren't used to determine seeding into a tournament

big difference.

spades only maphacked once in a minor showmatch which doesn't seed into anything

is there a difference?

the point is it doesn't matter, it's just being a dick for the sake of being a dick

how is this even relevant.
Maruprime.
InfusedTT.DaZe
Profile Joined August 2010
Romania693 Posts
June 05 2012 06:16 GMT
#178
what in the name of fuck is going on theese days, was bw so full of drama also?(cheating acussations/drama/...)
"Echoes of past events nudge the tiller on my present course, I await its reflection in the future"
GreyKnight
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4720 Posts
June 05 2012 06:17 GMT
#179
On June 05 2012 15:15 Klipsys wrote:
Is savior better than flash? Is savior the best BW player of all time?


uh, why does that matter anyways? we'll never know
Munsy
Profile Joined October 2010
United States67 Posts
June 05 2012 06:17 GMT
#180
On June 05 2012 15:12 Ruscour wrote:
you did the same thing with cella


That situation and the Choya situation are NOT the same. At all.
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