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On June 05 2012 15:15 Ruscour wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 15:14 Corrosive wrote:On June 05 2012 15:12 Ruscour wrote:On June 05 2012 15:07 IdrA wrote:On June 05 2012 15:04 polyphonyEX wrote:On June 05 2012 15:02 Positronic wrote:On June 05 2012 14:58 chipmonklord17 wrote:On June 05 2012 14:56 RPR_Tempest wrote:
Oh god, this fucking community is eating each other. I love that guy <3 Idra laying the fucking smackdown XFD No, he's just balance whining like usual. Attention-getting and absolutely irrelevant to the discussion. no literally rock paper scissors you did the same thing with cella once for fun in a zvz when ladder points weren't used to determine seeding into a tournament big difference. spades only maphacked once in a minor showmatch which doesn't seed into anything is there a difference? the point is it doesn't matter, it's just being a dick for the sake of being a dick
the difference is he is not owning up to it. denying it. and there is proof that contradicts that.
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Yes it absolutely does. If I cheat against Idra or Jinro in a show match do ya think people are going to start talking about me? Then maybe I get into a lesser known team? And all of a sudden I've beaten out a deserving player because I cheated in a "minor showmatch which doesn't seed into anything".
Really now.
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On June 05 2012 15:15 Ruscour wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 15:14 Corrosive wrote:On June 05 2012 15:12 Ruscour wrote:On June 05 2012 15:07 IdrA wrote:On June 05 2012 15:04 polyphonyEX wrote:On June 05 2012 15:02 Positronic wrote:On June 05 2012 14:58 chipmonklord17 wrote:I love that guy <3 Idra laying the fucking smackdown XFD No, he's just balance whining like usual. Attention-getting and absolutely irrelevant to the discussion. no literally rock paper scissors you did the same thing with cella once for fun in a zvz when ladder points weren't used to determine seeding into a tournament big difference. spades only maphacked once in a minor showmatch which doesn't seed into anything is there a difference? the point is it doesn't matter, it's just being a dick for the sake of being a dick
Well, yes, there is a big difference between jokingly playing 1 game of r/p/s on an individual ladder game, compared to doing it in a way that helps you qualify for the biggest SC tournament in the world... I mean, really? Whose being a dick for the sake of it?
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On June 05 2012 15:15 Ruscour wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 15:14 Corrosive wrote:On June 05 2012 15:12 Ruscour wrote:On June 05 2012 15:07 IdrA wrote:On June 05 2012 15:04 polyphonyEX wrote:On June 05 2012 15:02 Positronic wrote:On June 05 2012 14:58 chipmonklord17 wrote:I love that guy <3 Idra laying the fucking smackdown XFD No, he's just balance whining like usual. Attention-getting and absolutely irrelevant to the discussion. no literally rock paper scissors you did the same thing with cella once for fun in a zvz when ladder points weren't used to determine seeding into a tournament big difference. spades only maphacked once in a minor showmatch which doesn't seed into anything is there a difference? the point is it doesn't matter, it's just being a dick for the sake of being a dick
I would argue there is, one is being played for "fun", one is being played for competition and for some amount of personal prestige
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On June 05 2012 15:16 InfusedTT.DaZe wrote:
what in the name of fuck is going on theese days, was bw so full of drama also?(cheating acussations/drama/...)
Yes.
The community was just a lot smaller so things didn't spiral out of control so quickly.
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On June 05 2012 15:17 GreyKnight wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 15:15 Klipsys wrote:
Is savior better than flash? Is savior the best BW player of all time? uh, why does that matter anyways? we'll never know
Same thing as why people wanna know if Kobe would beat MJ or Lebron would beat MJ. Its just fascinating to imagine how it would be like if 2 legends clash at the same time.
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On June 05 2012 15:17 GreyKnight wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 15:15 Klipsys wrote:
Is savior better than flash? Is savior the best BW player of all time? uh, why does that matter anyways? we'll never know
I want to know since I didn't follow BW
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Choya tweeted something again, someone wanna translate?
"감맘보 사건은 평생 제가 짊어지고 가야될 짐이라고 생각합니다 죄송합니다"
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On June 05 2012 15:09 polyphonyEX wrote:
About that rps thing, I saw huk do it on stream once (he was next to the guy) and nobody gave a fuck. Double standards are so funny.
Of course, if it's random people on ladder then it's different but then again who is really stupid enough to just leave a ladder game like that? I hate this community sometimes.
There's a small difference.
Choya would be losing only 2 points per lost, but gaining 20 per win.
So grinding massive amount of games even if he was losing let's say 70% of them was still giving him points.
So he basically asked every player to RPS against him on ladder.
Huk on the other hand (and other programmers) situation is a bit different.
A lot of the time they're sitting so close to each other they can just see their opponent monitor, before there was a draw rule, they would often RPS just to get another opponent. It was meant to avoid silly game, not to gain ladder points, and wasn't done 50 times in a row.
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Wow the term shit just got real is a bit of an understatement. I think its hard to actually get any proof of this stuff. Korea actually is a place where they do pride the competition so its hard to think of them cheating like that. What Naniwa said is semi relevant though he accused Koreans of leaking replays of his practice for GSL and that it was the whole Korean pride thing that was the reason behind it.
So its a hugely grey area right here where how exactly do we know what is going on in the Team houses while official matches are going on. If they are streamed live maybe there should be a 10 minute delay? If they are at an MLG they should have someone who walks around making sure someone isn't coaching during the games played offstage.
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On June 05 2012 15:12 masterbreti wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 15:05 NamePending wrote:On June 05 2012 14:57 masterbreti wrote:
just wanted to chime in. I think what artist said is very untrue or based on his few little personal experiences. I know that during my stay in prime house I didn't see a single instance of this. So this is very in accurate. Hold on. So you say Artist's claims are based on few little personal experiences but your own claims are based off of your limited time spent in one gaming house? How much more limited could pro-gaming experiences get? I don't know, maybe you do have truly extensive pro-gaming experiences, but the content of your post is highly contradictory and rather ironic. I'm saying that while living in the prime house for 3 months. I didn't see any stream cheating or anything. Artist's personal experience could be limited to fou, actually it is only limited to fou since that was the only korean team he has been in. This may be more of a case of fou cheating than all Koreans cheating.
Fair enough, that's definitely possible. I just took offense to your strong claim of "very untrue" and "this is very in accurate" in debunking Artist's claims on the grounds of limited experiences when you at best have the same exposure to other gaming houses.
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On June 05 2012 15:15 Ruscour wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 15:14 Corrosive wrote:On June 05 2012 15:12 Ruscour wrote:On June 05 2012 15:07 IdrA wrote:On June 05 2012 15:04 polyphonyEX wrote:On June 05 2012 15:02 Positronic wrote:On June 05 2012 14:58 chipmonklord17 wrote:I love that guy <3 Idra laying the fucking smackdown XFD No, he's just balance whining like usual. Attention-getting and absolutely irrelevant to the discussion. no literally rock paper scissors you did the same thing with cella once for fun in a zvz when ladder points weren't used to determine seeding into a tournament big difference. spades only maphacked once in a minor showmatch which doesn't seed into anything is there a difference? the point is it doesn't matter, it's just being a dick for the sake of being a dick
Yes, there is a huge difference between a ladder game and a showmatch. Idra would have gained literally nothing from playing a legitimate ladder game of ZvZ and winning. Spades would have probably tripled his fame and notoriety from beating Lucifron.
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On June 05 2012 15:18 SnowFantasy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 15:16 InfusedTT.DaZe wrote:
what in the name of fuck is going on theese days, was bw so full of drama also?(cheating acussations/drama/...) Yes. The community was just a lot smaller so things didn't spiral out of control so quickly.
The scene was both a lot smaller and everyone who was anyone knew each other. At the same time, with a much smaller community, threads would move at a slower rate, and that allowed people to think a lot more about waht they were goign to say before things were written down.
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On June 05 2012 15:11 Zealously wrote:
This is ridiculous. Sometimes, TL is among the worst internet communities out there. I mean okay, Spades may have made a few suspiciously good decisions based on no info, but accusing Leenock of anything you can't prove is serious (the same, of course, goes for Spades - but there's more evidence in his case, true or not). I really hope this blows over soon - it'll hurt the scene if it doesn't.
You're quite spoiled then. TL is probably one of the most well mannered forums out there. The mods on here do a really good job removing the garbage posters.
The smoking gun was the fact that Spades never looked into the fog of war (a feature of the maphack) during a select number of games, while in normal games he would look into the fog of war multiple times. The evidence is quite definitive and there is no reason to be kushy in this situation. Cheaters should be pointed out.
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On June 05 2012 15:14 Corrosive wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 15:12 Ruscour wrote:On June 05 2012 15:07 IdrA wrote:On June 05 2012 15:04 polyphonyEX wrote:On June 05 2012 15:02 Positronic wrote:On June 05 2012 14:58 chipmonklord17 wrote:I love that guy <3 Idra laying the fucking smackdown XFD No, he's just balance whining like usual. Attention-getting and absolutely irrelevant to the discussion. no literally rock paper scissors you did the same thing with cella once for fun in a zvz when ladder points weren't used to determine seeding into a tournament big difference.
Who cares if it was only once, just shows Idras being a massive hypocrite about Choya. Based on this I don't think it's much of a stretch to assume he's probably maphacked 'only once' on ladder as well when ladder points didn't matter. Hell he probably stream cheated in EGMC as well, fuck knows why he still lost some of the time. In fact I bet he installed hacks on the GSL computers from a USB when he played there. No wonder his mechanics are so good, they're actually the mechanics of a computer program. Hasn't Idra always seemed somewhat emotionless, perhaps he is in fact a robot, with the hacks installed in his brain, engineered by EG to be the ultimate game-winning machine.
Just my two cents.
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I believe that the RPS incident is something that I will have to carry for the rest of my life. I apologize.
On June 05 2012 15:17 walklightwhat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 15:15 Ruscour wrote:On June 05 2012 15:14 Corrosive wrote:On June 05 2012 15:12 Ruscour wrote:On June 05 2012 15:07 IdrA wrote:On June 05 2012 15:04 polyphonyEX wrote:On June 05 2012 15:02 Positronic wrote:On June 05 2012 14:58 chipmonklord17 wrote:I love that guy <3 Idra laying the fucking smackdown XFD No, he's just balance whining like usual. Attention-getting and absolutely irrelevant to the discussion. no literally rock paper scissors you did the same thing with cella once for fun in a zvz when ladder points weren't used to determine seeding into a tournament big difference. spades only maphacked once in a minor showmatch which doesn't seed into anything is there a difference? the point is it doesn't matter, it's just being a dick for the sake of being a dick Well, yes, there is a big difference between jokingly playing 1 game of r/p/s on an individual ladder game, compared to doing it in a way that helps you qualify for the biggest SC tournament in the world... I mean, really? Whose being a dick for the sake of it?
Nah Choya was already in Code S back then.
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I wish the people in the know would actually give up their sources. tgun says he's asked people about this and they've confirmed it. Diamond says various people have mentioned it to him and believe the rumors to be true. dde states that he's been subject to streamcheating before (though without mentioning who or whether or not that person was Korean already). Mirhi has clammed up but his Twitter indicates that he very much believes it to be true. Artist won't name names.
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It is basically a sincere apology for the rock-paper-scissors issue.
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On June 05 2012 15:17 Probe1 wrote:
Yes it absolutely does. If I cheat against Idra or Jinro in a show match do ya think people are going to start talking about me? Then maybe I get into a lesser known team? And all of a sudden I've beaten out a deserving player because I cheated in a "minor showmatch which doesn't seed into anything".
Really now.
You along with absolutely everyone completely missed the point of my comparison.
The entire community is full of double standards. Previous hackers like TT1 who have well and truly paid their dues are still looked down upon while people turn a blind eye to previous, more popular cheaters like Dragon. IdrA calls out Choya for something he did forever ago, and yet did IdrA not do the same thing? It was a single occurrence and didn't matter, sure. And yet, was it not the same for Spades, a minor showmatch put on by his team, when he doesn't cheat on ladder and obviously can't in tournaments, compared to a notorious consistent hacker? What I'm trying to say is, IdrA calling out Choya doesn't accomplish anything but making fanboys jizz over him being edgy, it's stupid to see it being anything close to relevant to the integrity of Choya's statements
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On June 05 2012 15:22 Shaddar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 15:14 Corrosive wrote:On June 05 2012 15:12 Ruscour wrote:On June 05 2012 15:07 IdrA wrote:On June 05 2012 15:04 polyphonyEX wrote:On June 05 2012 15:02 Positronic wrote:On June 05 2012 14:58 chipmonklord17 wrote:I love that guy <3 Idra laying the fucking smackdown XFD No, he's just balance whining like usual. Attention-getting and absolutely irrelevant to the discussion. no literally rock paper scissors you did the same thing with cella once for fun in a zvz when ladder points weren't used to determine seeding into a tournament big difference. Who cares if it was only once, just shows Idras being a massive hypocrite about Choya. Based on this I don't think it's much of a stretch to assume he's probably maphacked 'only once' on ladder as well when ladder points didn't matter. Hell he probably stream cheated in EGMC as well, fuck knows why he still lost some of the time. In fact I bet he installed hacks on the GSL computers from a USB when he played there. No wonder his mechanics are so good, they're actually the mechanics of a computer program. Hasn't Idra always seemed somewhat emotionless, perhaps he is in fact a robot, with the hacks installed in his brain, engineered by EG to be the ultimate game-winning machine. Just my two cents.
I can't tell if this post is trying to be sarcastic, a troll, or is just ... I don't know.
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