Patrick Soulliere II @ESVDiamond OMG the amount of messages with suggestive evidence of the Korean stream cheating, I need a cig I'm actually heartbroken by this
Patrick Soulliere II @ESVDiamond By suggestive I mean pretty damning.....
Cameron Carson @famsytron @ESVDiamond You said you would report cheating right away - now you have evidence and are not reporting, I am confused. Please clarify.
Patrick Soulliere II @ESVDiamond @famsytron Reported to the correct parties is what I am trying to say. I am not a journalist.
Cameron Carson @famsytron @ESVDiamond I understand what you meant. I'm glad. I am curious - did you report to any media outlets?
Patrick Soulliere II @ESVDiamond @famsytron Nope. I am sure they will notice this.
[...]
Cameron Carson @famsytron @ESVDiamond If nothing happens, and this information is not published by anyone - will you notify the public?
Patrick Soulliere II @ESVDiamond @famsytron We will cross that bridge when that comes
Quick, everyone bug fams to see what he knows! (... no, don't, that was a joke.)
I like Diamond overall but when it comes to drama he ALWAYS does stuff like this, makes vague comments in topics (like his one on page one) and then never says anything else which furthers the drama and makes it worse. I wish people who "had information" would either say what they know or don't talk at all, vague comments with ellipses at the end just make the problem worse.
On June 05 2012 15:17 Probe1 wrote: Yes it absolutely does. If I cheat against Idra or Jinro in a show match do ya think people are going to start talking about me? Then maybe I get into a lesser known team? And all of a sudden I've beaten out a deserving player because I cheated in a "minor showmatch which doesn't seed into anything".
Really now.
You along with absolutely everyone completely missed the point of my comparison.
The entire community is full of double standards. Previous hackers like TT1 who have well and truly paid their dues are still looked down upon while people turn a blind eye to previous, more popular cheaters like Dragon. IdrA calls out Choya for something he did forever ago, and yet did IdrA not do the same thing? It was a single occurrence and didn't matter, sure. And yet, was it not the same for Spades, a minor showmatch put on by his team, when he doesn't cheat on ladder and obviously can't in tournaments, compared to a notorious consistent hacker? What I'm trying to say is, IdrA calling out Choya doesn't accomplish anything but making fanboys jizz over him being edgy, it's stupid to see it being anything close to relevant to the integrity of Choya's statements
Nobody missed the point of your comparison. Spades had a LOT to gain by winning that showmatch.
Really?
- Lucifron still isn't a household name despite being ludicrously good - it's a showmatch put on by his team, thus inspiring him to practice for it when there was no prize money where Lucifron may not - there wasn't much hype around it and I doubt there was any kind of large audience tuning in
It'd be a big upset for sure if he won, but did he really have that much to gain? :S
In a real world environment? No. But considering the nature of this community and their tendency to overreact to singular events? Yes, he did.
Worth risking his entire career over? Well, apparently.
Patrick Soulliere II @ESVDiamond OMG the amount of messages with suggestive evidence of the Korean stream cheating, I need a cig I'm actually heartbroken by this
Patrick Soulliere II @ESVDiamond By suggestive I mean pretty damning.....
Cameron Carson @famsytron @ESVDiamond You said you would report cheating right away - now you have evidence and are not reporting, I am confused. Please clarify.
Patrick Soulliere II @ESVDiamond @famsytron Reported to the correct parties is what I am trying to say. I am not a journalist.
Cameron Carson @famsytron @ESVDiamond I understand what you meant. I'm glad. I am curious - did you report to any media outlets?
Patrick Soulliere II @ESVDiamond @famsytron Nope. I am sure they will notice this.
[...]
Cameron Carson @famsytron @ESVDiamond If nothing happens, and this information is not published by anyone - will you notify the public?
Patrick Soulliere II @ESVDiamond @famsytron We will cross that bridge when that comes
Quick, everyone bug fams to see what he knows! (... no, don't, that was a joke.)
I like Diamond overall but when it comes to drama he ALWAYS does stuff like this, makes vague comments in topics (like his one on page one) and then never says anything else which furthers the drama and makes it worse. I wish people who "had information" would either say what they know or don't talk at all, vague comments with ellipses at the end just make the problem worse.
no hes just adding fuel to the fire, standard esports drama bomb protocol
Patrick Soulliere II @ESVDiamond OMG the amount of messages with suggestive evidence of the Korean stream cheating, I need a cig I'm actually heartbroken by this
Patrick Soulliere II @ESVDiamond By suggestive I mean pretty damning.....
Cameron Carson @famsytron @ESVDiamond You said you would report cheating right away - now you have evidence and are not reporting, I am confused. Please clarify.
Patrick Soulliere II @ESVDiamond @famsytron Reported to the correct parties is what I am trying to say. I am not a journalist.
Cameron Carson @famsytron @ESVDiamond I understand what you meant. I'm glad. I am curious - did you report to any media outlets?
Patrick Soulliere II @ESVDiamond @famsytron Nope. I am sure they will notice this.
[...]
Cameron Carson @famsytron @ESVDiamond If nothing happens, and this information is not published by anyone - will you notify the public?
Patrick Soulliere II @ESVDiamond @famsytron We will cross that bridge when that comes
Quick, everyone bug fams to see what he knows! (... no, don't, that was a joke.)
I like Diamond overall but when it comes to drama he ALWAYS does stuff like this, makes vague comments in topics (like his one on page one) and then never says anything else which furthers the drama and makes it worse. I wish people who "had information" would either say what they know or don't talk at all, vague comments with ellipses at the end just make the problem worse.
Yeah, wish they'd either air it completely or have this discussion ... not on their Twitter for everyone to read.
On June 05 2012 14:20 ImNightmare wrote: Spades has never proven his ability but Leenock has, what the fuck is wrong with people? He got to a finals in the gsl and in case people don't know, YOU CAN'T CHEAT THERE?!
In a Interview IdrA and Jinro commented about how they could hear the korean casters from inside the booths and GOM cut the footage out when the published the interview on the VODS.
Patrick Soulliere II @ESVDiamond OMG the amount of messages with suggestive evidence of the Korean stream cheating, I need a cig I'm actually heartbroken by this
Patrick Soulliere II @ESVDiamond By suggestive I mean pretty damning.....
Cameron Carson @famsytron @ESVDiamond You said you would report cheating right away - now you have evidence and are not reporting, I am confused. Please clarify.
Patrick Soulliere II @ESVDiamond @famsytron Reported to the correct parties is what I am trying to say. I am not a journalist.
Cameron Carson @famsytron @ESVDiamond I understand what you meant. I'm glad. I am curious - did you report to any media outlets?
Patrick Soulliere II @ESVDiamond @famsytron Nope. I am sure they will notice this.
[...]
Cameron Carson @famsytron @ESVDiamond If nothing happens, and this information is not published by anyone - will you notify the public?
Patrick Soulliere II @ESVDiamond @famsytron We will cross that bridge when that comes
Quick, everyone bug fams to see what he knows! (... no, don't, that was a joke.)
I like Diamond overall but when it comes to drama he ALWAYS does stuff like this, makes vague comments in topics (like his one on page one) and then never says anything else which furthers the drama and makes it worse. I wish people who "had information" would either say what they know or don't talk at all, vague comments with ellipses at the end just make the problem worse.
Pretty much:
stuff like
Patrick Soulliere II @ESVDiamond @GoSutgun to prevent rumor mongering I'm not telling anyone anything. Pro scene is 2 loose lipped. Maybe after I wrap my head around this.
You're not helping prevent rumour mongering when you spend the next couple of hours making vague statements about something on twitter that nobody has any way of verifying in the slightest.
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Dunno what to think about all this, don't know how tight Mirhi is with Spades, but it rather feels like a comment to focus peoples attentions elsewhere from Spades hacking.
Will just wait and see what comes and instead enjoy some live Starcraft this morning =)
Patrick Soulliere II @ESVDiamond OMG the amount of messages with suggestive evidence of the Korean stream cheating, I need a cig I'm actually heartbroken by this
Patrick Soulliere II @ESVDiamond By suggestive I mean pretty damning.....
Cameron Carson @famsytron @ESVDiamond You said you would report cheating right away - now you have evidence and are not reporting, I am confused. Please clarify.
Patrick Soulliere II @ESVDiamond @famsytron Reported to the correct parties is what I am trying to say. I am not a journalist.
Cameron Carson @famsytron @ESVDiamond I understand what you meant. I'm glad. I am curious - did you report to any media outlets?
Patrick Soulliere II @ESVDiamond @famsytron Nope. I am sure they will notice this.
[...]
Cameron Carson @famsytron @ESVDiamond If nothing happens, and this information is not published by anyone - will you notify the public?
Patrick Soulliere II @ESVDiamond @famsytron We will cross that bridge when that comes
Quick, everyone bug fams to see what he knows! (... no, don't, that was a joke.)
I like Diamond overall but when it comes to drama he ALWAYS does stuff like this, makes vague comments in topics (like his one on page one) and then never says anything else which furthers the drama and makes it worse. I wish people who "had information" would either say what they know or don't talk at all, vague comments with ellipses at the end just make the problem worse.
Pretty much:
stuff like
Patrick Soulliere II @ESVDiamond @GoSutgun to prevent rumor mongering I'm not telling anyone anything. Pro scene is 2 loose lipped. Maybe after I wrap my head around this.
Isn't really helping prevent rumour mongering when you spend the next couple of hours making vague statements about something on twitter that nobody has any way of verifying in the slightest.
Patrick Soulliere II @ESVDiamond OMG the amount of messages with suggestive evidence of the Korean stream cheating, I need a cig I'm actually heartbroken by this
Patrick Soulliere II @ESVDiamond By suggestive I mean pretty damning.....
Cameron Carson @famsytron @ESVDiamond You said you would report cheating right away - now you have evidence and are not reporting, I am confused. Please clarify.
Patrick Soulliere II @ESVDiamond @famsytron Reported to the correct parties is what I am trying to say. I am not a journalist.
Cameron Carson @famsytron @ESVDiamond I understand what you meant. I'm glad. I am curious - did you report to any media outlets?
Patrick Soulliere II @ESVDiamond @famsytron Nope. I am sure they will notice this.
[...]
Cameron Carson @famsytron @ESVDiamond If nothing happens, and this information is not published by anyone - will you notify the public?
Patrick Soulliere II @ESVDiamond @famsytron We will cross that bridge when that comes
Quick, everyone bug fams to see what he knows! (... no, don't, that was a joke.)
I like Diamond overall but when it comes to drama he ALWAYS does stuff like this, makes vague comments in topics (like his one on page one) and then never says anything else which furthers the drama and makes it worse. I wish people who "had information" would either say what they know or don't talk at all, vague comments with ellipses at the end just make the problem worse.
Right now all Diamond is doing is exacerbating rumors by playing the drama queen. Saying, I know but I can't say, and then making such a big fucking deal out of it. If you can't say, then DONT make 20 tweets talking about it. Wait till there's official news. God dammit
I really don't even know what to say about such a ridiculous accusation against Leenock. I was the only FXO staff in attendance for Providence. I had access to the player area because of it and used it to watch matches. Koreans frequently talked to each other between games, and during warmups. I NEVER saw any of them talk to each other during an active match, I have never seen ANY player interact with someone during an active match. This is during both Columbus events, Anaheim, Providence etc.
If one of the Koreans was watching another during game, they were rarely the only one. The only times in which they were able to do this was late in the tournament, so there would be a crowd of Koreans around one match, or trying to watch two at once. There wasn't really the possibility of this happening because if player hangs out in the player area for too long during active matches and they aren't playing they get shown out by the referees within a few minutes. They start to relax this near the end when not every station is full, but if too many people start hanging out they tell all the non coaches/VIPs to leave. But again this only starts to happen near the end when there are always multiple people around, there is literally no time for a player to do such a thing. It's frankly not possible because of all the people watching.
The only time in which Leenock could have been over the shoulder and not been told to leave was during warmups. The Koreans often joke and talk during warmups though. Most likely someone saw them talking while they were getting ready, saw that there was a game on screen and though they were talking during a match.
The fact that this was even stated as a serious accusation is just stupid, because anyone who's been to MLG in the player areas knows all this.
On June 05 2012 14:20 ImNightmare wrote: Spades has never proven his ability but Leenock has, what the fuck is wrong with people? He got to a finals in the gsl and in case people don't know, YOU CAN'T CHEAT THERE?!
In a Interview IdrA and Jinro commented about how they could hear the korean casters from inside the booths and GOM cut the footage out when the published the interview on the VODS.
Just saying.
That was near release and they got better booths shortly after.
Patrick Soulliere II @ESVDiamond OMG the amount of messages with suggestive evidence of the Korean stream cheating, I need a cig I'm actually heartbroken by this
Patrick Soulliere II @ESVDiamond By suggestive I mean pretty damning.....
Cameron Carson @famsytron @ESVDiamond You said you would report cheating right away - now you have evidence and are not reporting, I am confused. Please clarify.
Patrick Soulliere II @ESVDiamond @famsytron Reported to the correct parties is what I am trying to say. I am not a journalist.
Cameron Carson @famsytron @ESVDiamond I understand what you meant. I'm glad. I am curious - did you report to any media outlets?
Patrick Soulliere II @ESVDiamond @famsytron Nope. I am sure they will notice this.
[...]
Cameron Carson @famsytron @ESVDiamond If nothing happens, and this information is not published by anyone - will you notify the public?
Patrick Soulliere II @ESVDiamond @famsytron We will cross that bridge when that comes
Quick, everyone bug fams to see what he knows! (... no, don't, that was a joke.)
I like Diamond overall but when it comes to drama he ALWAYS does stuff like this, makes vague comments in topics (like his one on page one) and then never says anything else which furthers the drama and makes it worse. I wish people who "had information" would either say what they know or don't talk at all, vague comments with ellipses at the end just make the problem worse.
He just loves creating drama, that's all. Especially "Korean dramas", if you know what I mean. No, not that type of Korean drama, but this type of Korean drama.
On June 05 2012 15:51 Diamond wrote: Yes make me the enemy, that's the logical answer here.
It's not that people are making you the enemy they are just worried that you are exaggerating. Take your time to collect what people have told you and then release it. Or keep it secret and feel guilty.
Patrick Soulliere II @ESVDiamond OMG the amount of messages with suggestive evidence of the Korean stream cheating, I need a cig I'm actually heartbroken by this
Patrick Soulliere II @ESVDiamond By suggestive I mean pretty damning.....
Cameron Carson @famsytron @ESVDiamond You said you would report cheating right away - now you have evidence and are not reporting, I am confused. Please clarify.
Patrick Soulliere II @ESVDiamond @famsytron Reported to the correct parties is what I am trying to say. I am not a journalist.
Cameron Carson @famsytron @ESVDiamond I understand what you meant. I'm glad. I am curious - did you report to any media outlets?
Patrick Soulliere II @ESVDiamond @famsytron Nope. I am sure they will notice this.
[...]
Cameron Carson @famsytron @ESVDiamond If nothing happens, and this information is not published by anyone - will you notify the public?
Patrick Soulliere II @ESVDiamond @famsytron We will cross that bridge when that comes
Quick, everyone bug fams to see what he knows! (... no, don't, that was a joke.)
I like Diamond overall but when it comes to drama he ALWAYS does stuff like this, makes vague comments in topics (like his one on page one) and then never says anything else which furthers the drama and makes it worse. I wish people who "had information" would either say what they know or don't talk at all, vague comments with ellipses at the end just make the problem worse.
Yeah I like Diamond but he does this stuff like this and it bugs me a lot lol. FXOBoss always does this kind of stuff too so annoying, but I guess they like the exposition it gives them?
On June 05 2012 15:51 Diamond wrote: Yes make me the enemy, that's the logical answer here.
I'm not trying to "make you the enemy", I'm just saying that coming into the topic, showing that you have some sort of knowledge we don't have, and then keeping that knowledge tight-lipped and furthering the "drama" and causing more people to make assumptions based off of your empty vague statements isn't really the BEST thing you could do in your position. But frankly I guess I don't really care either way this is all hearsay and no one has proof and it'll just be discussed on TL all day until people forget.
Its clearly a conspiracy orcastrated by ROOTCatz to boost his stream numbers. Coincidence that this happens around the time ROOT is announced to reform? I THINK NOT!
Can't we just make it standard for all live, online-only events to have a delay in broadcast of a minute? We can't change the past, and if the cheating is really 'wide spread' as claimed, then ratting out Leenock (for example) ain't gonna change much, because it's part of their entire esports culture and methodology. It would be more productive to find ways to prevent it, than to dig up past examples.
On June 05 2012 14:20 ImNightmare wrote: Spades has never proven his ability but Leenock has, what the fuck is wrong with people? He got to a finals in the gsl and in case people don't know, YOU CAN'T CHEAT THERE?!
In a Interview IdrA and Jinro commented about how they could hear the korean casters from inside the booths and GOM cut the footage out when the published the interview on the VODS.
Just saying.
You know what starcraft scene (Korean or foreign) used to never use booth, right?
EPT
