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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
Not going to comment on rumors and speculations without proof.But I must say that people(insiders or not) should not throw this kind of stuff in the forums unless they have absolute proof of this. This kind of behavior (and I am not talking about esports only) can ruin careers and lives E: Whoops seems I forgot something | ||
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RPR_Tempest
Australia7798 Posts
Oh god, this fucking community is eating each other. | ||
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kellymilkies
Singapore1393 Posts
According to Mhri or what his name was + Artist's statement, saying that they did this for showmatches for pride is so stupid. Since if you have pride in the first place you wouldn't cheat. | ||
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masterbreti
Korea (South)2711 Posts
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Heavenlee
United States966 Posts
Not that hard to imagine some people streamcheating in some tournaments, especially in one of the smaller houses with some relative no-names having their friends help them out. Solution? Some kind of stream delay of a couple minutes. Happens all the time in other pro games, especially MOBA-style ones to protect wardspots. No idea why this would be a shock to some people. The Leenock thing is just a complete joke. You are going to crucify someone for giving broad general advice to one of his friends? Some of you people waving your pitchforks around wouldn't even be pleased if everyone at MLG was prohibited from speaking, and all people participating in online tournaments had to have their immediate surroundings recorded while they stream their own PoV. | ||
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ImNightmare
1575 Posts
On June 05 2012 14:56 RPR_Tempest wrote: https://twitter.com/idrajit/status/209885078761906176 Oh god, this fucking community is eating each other. oh boy..shit just got even dirtier | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On June 05 2012 14:53 tribulator wrote: Hey remember when choya (and other fou members) played rock paper scissors for ladder rank? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=184044 Yes, but bringing it up doesn't contribute to the issue. It's simply poisoning the well: attacking another's credibility to weaken their arguments. What Choya did a year ago was wrong, but here he is acting in his role as coach to defend his players, which is expected of him, and his indiscretions from a year ago have no impact on the issue today. | ||
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polyphonyEX
United States2539 Posts
On June 05 2012 14:56 RPR_Tempest wrote: https://twitter.com/idrajit/status/209885078761906176 Oh god, this fucking community is eating each other. nah, that's just Idra | ||
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kalteras
United States72 Posts
On June 05 2012 14:49 ImNightmare wrote: Savior destroyed BW because he is a big shot in it. Spades is...yeah, no way people will remember about this one month later Saying SaviOr as a "big shot" is putting it lightly, he was the only zerg winning not only games but star league finals and the community (and south korea) was behind him 100%. Correct me if I'm wrong but he was pretty damn close to Bonjwa status I believe and the end result was detremental to the scene. you can't really compare these two scandals, they're not even close in magnitude. | ||
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
On June 05 2012 14:56 RPR_Tempest wrote: https://twitter.com/idrajit/status/209885078761906176 Oh god, this fucking community is eating each other. I love that guy <3 | ||
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McFeser
United States2458 Posts
On June 05 2012 14:57 masterbreti wrote: just wanted to chime in. I think what artist said is very untrue or based on his few little personal experiences. I know that during my stay in prime house I didn't see a single instance of this. So this is very in accurate. Yeah, this doesn't seem to hold much weight at all. | ||
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SnowFantasy
4173 Posts
On June 05 2012 14:58 kalteras wrote: Saying SaviOr as a "big shot" is putting it lightly, he was the only zerg winning not only games but star league finals and the community (and south korea) was behind him 100%. Correct me if I'm wrong but he was pretty damn close to Bonjwa status I believe and the end result was detremental to the scene. you can't really compare these two scandals, they're not even close in magnitude. Savior was more than "close to Bonjwa status". Savior was the first one to be recognized as a Bonjwa. | ||
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ImNightmare
1575 Posts
On June 05 2012 14:58 kalteras wrote: Saying SaviOr as a "big shot" is putting it lightly, he was the only zerg winning not only games but star league finals and the community (and south korea) was behind him 100%. Correct me if I'm wrong but he was pretty damn close to Bonjwa status I believe and the end result was detremental to the scene. you can't really compare these two scandals, they're not even close in magnitude. Yeah, but bigshot is the only thing that I think most of the people here would understand, the word bonjwa has been thrown around too much in the sc2 scene that people don't understand how difficult it is to become one. Saying spades is savior 2.0 is like saying..well its just bullshit. | ||
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
On June 05 2012 14:58 kalteras wrote: Saying SaviOr as a "big shot" is putting it lightly, he was the only zerg winning not only games but star league finals and the community (and south korea) was behind him 100%. Correct me if I'm wrong but he was pretty damn close to Bonjwa status I believe and the end result was detremental to the scene. you can't really compare these two scandals, they're not even close in magnitude. ... His nick name was Ma Bonjwa. It's where the term came from. | ||
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Flonomenalz
Nigeria3519 Posts
I'll just say that I don't believe RGN in the slightest. And I even defended Spades... now they're admitting it... and trying to bring Koreans down with them? Look at how SlayerS completely crushed Coca for what he did, and now stream cheating is a Korean "standard"? I'm not buying it at all, and this might seriously hamper Korean-foreign relations at a time where I thought things were getting really good... | ||
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Irave
United States9965 Posts
On June 05 2012 14:54 windsupernova wrote: True or not this just begs to the question of why aren't streams for money tournaments being delayed to prevent this(and thus make this kind of accusations with 0 proof except for "trust me guyz I have contacts")? Not going to comment on rumors and speculations without proof.But I must say that people(insiders or not) should not throw this kind of stuff in the forums unless they have absolute proof of this. This kind of behavior (and I am not talking about esports only) can ruin careers and lives Look at the current season of NASL. Fans want the live games, etc. I think most other streams do have the delay or are based off replays. This is the way it should be. Which leads me to believe more that this really isn't a huge issue in Korea as people are wanting to make it be. Look at what happened to Dragon after he got caught and admitted to doing it. Sure they have their Korean pride, but he even got tossed under the boss. The solution here is to just delay all streams or don't encourage them to be live. The MLG topic really holds no water. If people think it does, well it can simply be fixed by changing their playing area. Eliminating something fun that was designed for the fans I'm sure. However if speculation is going to blow that up, its easy to replace. | ||
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
On June 05 2012 14:20 ImNightmare wrote: Spades has never proven his ability but Leenock has, what the fuck is wrong with people? He got to a finals in the gsl and in case people don't know, YOU CAN'T CHEAT THERE?! In this case, Leenock was being accused (casually, but perhaps carelessly) as helping others from over their shoulder during some LAN events. He has not, afaik, been accused of using cheating to his own personal advantage. | ||
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Positronic
121 Posts
Idra laying the fucking smackdown XFD | ||
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Vash_SC2
United States122 Posts
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kalteras
United States72 Posts
On June 05 2012 15:00 SnowFantasy wrote: Savior was more than "close to Bonjwa status". Savior was the first one to be recognized as a Bonjwa. I thought that was boxer? I wasn't aware of starcrafts existence until last year, but there's a good article here on TL all about SaviOr's rise and fall, super interesting look into this scenes past. here's the link if anyone wants it http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=226236 | ||
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