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BraneSC2
Profile Joined May 2010
United States123 Posts
June 05 2012 05:40 GMT
#81
TL needs to take immediate action as I believe it's responsible for letting this get out of control. TL is one of the largest esports media outlets and needs to act as such. Needless to say, this needs to be handled.

Whether or not these accusations are true, this ought to be private matters and not a public spotlight that makes a mockery of the esports scene. It makes everyone look bad, regardless of involvement in cheating.
No fighting in the war room!
Roman666
Profile Joined April 2012
Poland1440 Posts
June 05 2012 05:40 GMT
#82
On June 05 2012 14:37 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 14:28 NovemberstOrm wrote:
On June 05 2012 14:22 Roman666 wrote:
Though I always wondered if this stream cheating in Korean houses is possible, I can't actually believe that people like for instance Boxer would condone to this. Its just unbelievable for me, and I think if, and I'm streessing IF, this happens those must be very isolated incidents, not a wide-spread habit.


Boxer wouldn't condone that shit are you serious? he would bitch slap anyone who would cheat in the SlayerS house, lol. SlayerS is one of the teams that I know for sure has nothing to do with this, since Boxer and Cella would not allow that kind of shit, especially Boxer since he has a sense of pro-gaming and pride for the game, hard to explain but I know he wouldn't allow that.


Boxer started crying for the heart and soul of pro-gaming- while being interviewed- when he was asked to comment about Savior's scandal.

I'm quite sure he wouldn't allow anything underhanded to take place in the SlayerS house. Surely you remember how swiftly he dealt with Coca (and that was relatively minor), and how betrayed and dishonored he felt.

That's not to say that no Korean pro-gamers would ever give in to the pressures of cheating, or that hacking could only be a foreigner problem, but we obviously need plenty of evidence before we start pointing fingers and throwing people under the bus.

Exactly my point. People like Boxer would never fall for this shit and would outright kick anyone who would get involved in stuff like that. That's why this is unthinkable for me, that this kind of shit would happen, even in other progamers houses.
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4400 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-05 05:42:25
June 05 2012 05:40 GMT
#83
On June 05 2012 14:38 ch33psh33p wrote:
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On June 05 2012 14:37 JJH777 wrote:
I don't understand the accusation at all. Do people in MLG sit right next to each other while they are playing? I'm assuming they don't so what Leenock was running to people his friends were playing and then running back and telling them what they are doing? That sounds ridiculous to me...



All they said was that they were standing in the back making some BROAD remarks on the game in general.

There was no running back and forth looking at other people's screens, holy shit. How do you make this stuff up?


Well like I said they didn't make sense to me. If this is what's going on then this is MLG's fault because from what I've seen in pcitures there are dozens of people surrounding the players whenever they play off-stage so this is impossible to avoid.

I also don't see what the issue is since I'm sure any top pros knows everything Leenock would be saying while watching a game in a scenario like that. Then I'm also sure it's extremely noisy plus headphones so how much can they really hear...?
EienShinwa
Profile Joined May 2010
United States655 Posts
June 05 2012 05:40 GMT
#84
Spades. Saviour 2.0. Goodbye e-sports. Boxer would be ashamed...
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches. Alice Roosevelt Longworth
Positronic
Profile Joined May 2012
121 Posts
June 05 2012 05:40 GMT
#85
On June 05 2012 14:39 boxturtle wrote:
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On June 05 2012 14:31 Positronic wrote:
On June 05 2012 14:27 boxturtle wrote:
On June 05 2012 14:23 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
In early days of Korean SC2 I can promise you this happened, but now? I mean maybe, but I would kinda doubt it.


Thank you! Straight from the horse's mouth. Jinro's been in Korea for eternity and he's seen the ups (most successful foreigner runs in GSL) and downs (oGs disbanding). If he doubts it after being there, I don't think we have reason to believe a guy who talked to a guy who made a statement that sounded like a joke that cheating is some sort of widespread practice.


Jinro himself would tell you he hasn't been in all the other team houses, why are you taking his post as proof that this isn't going on? At this point, it's more evidence to the contrary but it's a bit ridiculous you're pointing to one person's post as proof as why we shouldn't pay attention to someone making a serious accusation


Well, now we know for sure oGs didn't cheat. On top of that, I think the EG guys would have something to say if slayers was running around and cheating (I have a hard time imagining Boxer encouraging cheating in the first place).

I don't know about you, but that's conclusive enough to for me to assume that it's not widespread at all, if existent. When Taeja was on slayers before liquid, he'd win a whole buttload of online stuff. He wouldn't be capable of doing that if people were hacking and cheating left and right.


I do believe Jinro, but I'm reserving judgement until Diamond comes out with whatever he knows, etc.
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
June 05 2012 05:41 GMT
#86
On June 05 2012 14:33 Roman666 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 14:28 NovemberstOrm wrote:
On June 05 2012 14:22 Roman666 wrote:
Though I always wondered if this stream cheating in Korean houses is possible, I can't actually believe that people like for instance Boxer would condone to this. Its just unbelievable for me, and I think if, and I'm streessing IF, this happens those must be very isolated incidents, not a wide-spread habit.


Boxer wouldn't condone that shit are you serious? he would bitch slap anyone who would cheat in the SlayerS house, lol. SlayerS is one of the teams that I know for sure has nothing to do with this, since Boxer and Cella would not allow that kind of shit, especially Boxer since he has a sense of pro-gaming and pride for the game, hard to explain but I know he wouldn't allow that.


I think you mistaken the word condone for condemn. Condone = accept. And I feel you man, Its like it does not require explanation in Boxer's case, he just can't do or accept that shit.



Yeah wrong word.
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Azurues
Profile Joined March 2011
Malaysia5612 Posts
June 05 2012 05:41 GMT
#87
Stream cheat as in during laddering or tourneys watching the stream?

How are you suppose to cheat in lan tournament such as MLG?
ch33psh33p
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
7650 Posts
June 05 2012 05:41 GMT
#88
On June 05 2012 14:40 babylon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 14:38 ch33psh33p wrote:
On June 05 2012 14:37 JJH777 wrote:
I don't understand the accusation at all. Do people in MLG sit right next to each other while they are playing? I'm assuming they don't so what Leenock was running to people his friends were playing and then running back and telling them what they are doing? That sounds ridiculous to me...



All they said was that they were standing in the back making some BROAD remarks on the game in general.

There was no running back and forth looking at other people's screens, holy shit. How do you make this stuff up?

I will just note that having anyone standing behind you making even "broad" comments about the game can be more often helpful than not depending on what was said.



I was replying to the overexaggeration and general spread of misinformation, nothing else.
secret - never again
superstartran
Profile Joined March 2010
United States4013 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-05 05:41:51
June 05 2012 05:41 GMT
#89
People who think that cheating doesn't occur in tournaments or pro houses are really naive. A good example of this happening years ago occured in WC3 years ago when Sky blatantly broke the rules and flat out cheated against GoStop at WCG, the biggest tournament of the year.
Whoranzone
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany330 Posts
June 05 2012 05:41 GMT
#90
On June 05 2012 14:38 ch33psh33p wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 14:37 JJH777 wrote:
I don't understand the accusation at all. Do people in MLG sit right next to each other while they are playing? I'm assuming they don't so what Leenock was running to people his friends were playing and then running back and telling them what they are doing? That sounds ridiculous to me...



All they said was that they were standing in the back making some BROAD remarks on the game in general.

There was no running back and forth looking at other people's screens, holy shit. How do you make this stuff up?

So if all what was said that there was some sharing of helpful information although he didn't actually see the screen of the other player it makes even less sense to even bring something like this up.
SnowFantasy
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
4173 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-05 05:43:31
June 05 2012 05:41 GMT
#91
On June 05 2012 14:26 Psychonian wrote:
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On June 05 2012 14:20 SnowFantasy wrote:
On June 05 2012 14:18 Psychonian wrote:
I feel like this could be bigger than the match fixing scandal back from BroodWar while Sc2 beta was out.


Not sure if you're trolling or what but there is no way this will be bigger than that.


I'm damn serious. You follow this for the next few days, and wait for my PM saying I told you so.


You're also damn retarded then.

however, if players do indeed have court appearances, get fined, and serve community service I'll send you that PM in a heartbeat.

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boxturtle
Profile Joined December 2011
United States224 Posts
June 05 2012 05:42 GMT
#92
On June 05 2012 14:39 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 14:31 Positronic wrote:
On June 05 2012 14:27 boxturtle wrote:
On June 05 2012 14:23 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
In early days of Korean SC2 I can promise you this happened, but now? I mean maybe, but I would kinda doubt it.


Thank you! Straight from the horse's mouth. Jinro's been in Korea for eternity and he's seen the ups (most successful foreigner runs in GSL) and downs (oGs disbanding). If he doubts it after being there, I don't think we have reason to believe a guy who talked to a guy who made a statement that sounded like a joke that cheating is some sort of widespread practice.


Jinro himself would tell you he hasn't been in all the other team houses, why are you taking his post as proof that this isn't going on? At this point, it's more evidence to the contrary but it's a bit ridiculous you're pointing to one person's post as proof as why we shouldn't pay attention to someone making a serious accusation

Yeah I honestly have no idea, it's not like I'm ever at other houses, especially not during tournaments --- I had just assumed that we were past that stage.


Please tell me it never happened in the oGs house.
McFeser
Profile Joined July 2011
United States2458 Posts
June 05 2012 05:42 GMT
#93
This could have been a rumor started by one Korean player. Foreign coaches and players, having no direct contact and insight to the Korean teams, would let these rumors fester and spread among each other
Promethelax still hasn't changed his quote
Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
June 05 2012 05:43 GMT
#94
Wow....so many scandals going around

Hope it's all resolved and it turns out that nobody was cheating T_T Spades was already bad enough, but now we have these accusations as well.... ugh makes me sad
Jim while Johnny had had had had had had had; had had had had the better effect on the teacher.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44173 Posts
June 05 2012 05:44 GMT
#95
On June 05 2012 14:40 EienShinwa wrote:
Spades. Saviour 2.0. Goodbye e-sports. Boxer would be ashamed...


Seriously? Not even fucking close.

Do you have any idea what you're talking about?
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
June 05 2012 05:44 GMT
#96
On June 05 2012 14:40 EienShinwa wrote:
Spades. Saviour 2.0. Goodbye e-sports. Boxer would be ashamed...


Spades was a person who tried to be a pro, this is not a big deal. He should be crucified if he is found hacking yes, but this will not be a goodby e-sports. Savior was good at bw, like very very good for awhile, spades (no offense to him) has never been a top tier terran.

Now if a top player like drg/nestea/idra/stephano/mvp/mma/mc/etc/etc were caught cheating that would be a WAY bigger deal then spades. Not only have all those players won championships, but they are very popular and would be insane if one of them did. Spades who in bw hacked, who again was never a top tier foreigner or even that popular of a foreigner isn't a big deal.
When I think of something else, something will go here
Synche
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1345 Posts
June 05 2012 05:44 GMT
#97
On June 05 2012 14:42 McFeser wrote:
This could have been a rumor started by one Korean player. Foreign coaches and players, having no direct contact and insight to the Korean teams, would let these rumors fester and spread among each other


Yeah this is entirely based on what Artist told Mirhi AFAIK. Not exactly solid.
UnKooL
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)1667 Posts
June 05 2012 05:44 GMT
#98
If anything it is the flaw of the MLG tournament setup. When the playing area is that close to those that are viewing firsthand there is definite potential for a viewer to sneak in some help to the player. And I'm saying "viewer" because it can range from a Korean pro to an average bystander. I know many pros have complained about being too close to the people watching behind their backs.
LoL: UnKooL and SoloQFiendUnKooL, SC2: UnKooL
NrG.Bamboo
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2756 Posts
June 05 2012 05:45 GMT
#99
On June 05 2012 14:33 JerKy wrote:
Sigh all of this makes me sad...
This fiasco reminds me of the Savior-incident. I fear for esports... T_T

Fear for humanity, not eSports. eSports is fine.
I need to protect all your life you can enjoy the vibrant life of your battery
TBone-
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2309 Posts
June 05 2012 05:45 GMT
#100
On June 05 2012 14:40 BraneSC2 wrote:
TL needs to take immediate action as I believe it's responsible for letting this get out of control. TL is one of the largest esports media outlets and needs to act as such. Needless to say, this needs to be handled.

Whether or not these accusations are true, this ought to be private matters and not a public spotlight that makes a mockery of the esports scene. It makes everyone look bad, regardless of involvement in cheating.


Wait what? Are you actually saying this is TL.nets fault? Da faq?
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