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Choya's twitter to accusations - Page 17
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DrPandaPhD
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No way he did it though :p | ||
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MCXD
Australia2738 Posts
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
Probably now some people will use this excuse when foreigners get owned | ||
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bokchoi
Korea (South)9498 Posts
On June 05 2012 17:44 iokke wrote: idk when i read his post it, to me it fealt like so: "Not if spades actually hacks, but now that i have a chance to put it out there, i saw him and Koreans stream-cheat and abuse other advantages quite alto" All I could pull from that is that he had nothing to gain by lying, and that spades and other pros abused the opportunity to watch live opponents playing at least at one point. shit im tired i hope i didn't confuse the posts lol Its not at all suspicious, questionable, or shady that he suddenly mentions this? Also if he knew his players were cheating, why keep them on his team? Also just to bring back what I originally said On June 05 2012 14:21 bokchoi wrote: No offense to Mirhi but his and Artist's words are heresay too. Artist was in fOu briefly before joining RGN so he's lived in maybe one major team house. When Spades went to Korea he lived in the GOM house. Don't see how major/all Korean pro houses stream cheat comes from this. Not to mention, Dragon was kicked out of SlayerS and WeRRa for previously stream cheating. In his statement Mirhi basically accused a majority of, if not all Korean team houses of stream-cheating and claiming that he had proof/accounts, but Mirhi has personally never lived in a single Korean team house, Artist has lived in MAYBE one, and Spades lived in the GOM house where other people living in the house have said it never happened. | ||
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Hall0wed
United States8486 Posts
Also it is literally impossible to help out another person at an MLG like was said. There is zero possibility of that even being attempted during an event. | ||
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
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NeWeNiyaLord
Norway2474 Posts
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On June 05 2012 17:52 Type|NarutO wrote: Next excuse if foreigners lose to Koreans won't be lag but cheating? Seriously .. I actually cannot believe people do think they would streamcheat, but considering some people really thought orb is racist... I think you've been around long enough to have really low standards of the eSports mob. :p Not surprised random bullshit drama like this happens every week. At first I found it upsetting because omgruiningesports but heck I barely even remember what drama happened last month. I'll get over it. | ||
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Hyperiok
England20 Posts
uhhh no lol. Koreans were notorious cheaters in BW by switching names and having better players play for them or simply doing it to goof around. Koreans were also famous for obs cheat/stream cheating.. it's not as big of a deal in their community to do this in tourneys that aren't of korean origin. I already know of several stories of several houses where this occurred. Does it suck? Yep. But in a game where winning and name recognition means the difference between having a career and not.. a lot of these guys will take that risk. Especially when people who get caught are forgiven and brought back in with almost NO pain at all (choya, Cocoa, Dragon etc etc). Source: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/ulj0x/former_owner_of_team_reign_alleges_that_spades/c4whcs2 | ||
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FaRess
Tunisia937 Posts
On June 05 2012 17:52 Type|NarutO wrote: Next excuse if foreigners lose to Koreans won't be lag but cheating? Seriously .. I actually cannot believe people do think they would streamcheat, but considering some people really thought orb is racist... are you blind or something did you see what Diamond said ? | ||
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Ecliptium
Canada147 Posts
C'mon this stuff is getting out of hand. Solid (VERY SOLID) proof, or cut the crap guys. | ||
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Flowjo
United States928 Posts
On June 05 2012 14:24 IMNasty wrote: people don't understand that thea accusation against leenock wasn't that he cheated to win MLG providence, it was giving hints to other koreans while they played off stage, which entirely plausible given korean pride and how evidently important it is to them you're a racist you realize that? | ||
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MCXD
Australia2738 Posts
On June 05 2012 17:54 Hyperiok wrote: Incontrol chimes in with the possible reasoning and a bit of history: Source: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/ulj0x/former_owner_of_team_reign_alleges_that_spades/c4whcs2 As has been stated in the thread several times already. At this point leagues should just expect this and take measures to prevent it. Why wait until there is a documented case of it? | ||
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IcedBacon
Canada906 Posts
On June 05 2012 17:36 Blennd wrote: lol at all the Korean nuthuggers in the thread taking artist's denial as gospel. lol at everyone else taking Mirhi's comment as fact to begin with. | ||
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iokke
United States1179 Posts
On June 05 2012 17:50 bokchoi wrote: Its not at all suspicious, questionable, or shady that he suddenly mentions this? Also if he knew his players were cheating, why keep them on his team? Also just to bring back what I originally said In his statement Mirhi basically accused a majority of, if not all Korean team houses of stream-cheating and claiming that he had proof/accounts, but Mirhi has personally never lived in a single Korean team house, Artist has lived in MAYBE one, and Spades lived in the GOM house where other people living in the house have said it never happened. well maybe you are right. I admit, my main reason for trusting mirhi is not solid, especially if he is just trolling.. The way i saw it, there is no benefit for him to say those things, if they are lies or truth. If he lied, shame on him for that. If he said the truth,shame on him for not saying it earlier. It's a loss-loss, so why say it unless it is actually true... Personally, that lends some credibility to him. At the same time, maybe I am mistaken... i mean I guess I could ask myself, if he didn't expose it earlier, why trust him now... | ||
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
"It's important that on principle this discussion shouldn't be happening in the first place, neither should the Choya's twitter accusations thread be up. This is the reason why a central union or organization that represents all the teams and players needs to exist so there is a standard procedure for reporting hacks, stream cheating, or anything else that may jeopardize the integrity of the competition. As it stands something like 20-25% of this thread is pure public slander, and it's ruined the name of a progamer, notice that this is irrelevant to whether he was a hacker or not. No one is going to be held accountable for the damage that this has done if Spades didn't cheat. This is how slander always works, because you present a case that upsets the personal sensibilities and emotions of people explicitly irrelevant to the conflict and often that's the basis of discussion, not factual evidence or logic. The whole debate had little moral or logical relevance to begin with, it had alot of personal interest and relevance to the posters and people involved. I really hope threads like this don't become a sensationalist tread, we need to establish standards of reporting and debating topics like this." | ||
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IcedBacon
Canada906 Posts
On June 05 2012 18:02 Caihead wrote: Can I just say the same thing I've said in the Spades thread? "It's important that on principle this discussion shouldn't be happening in the first place, neither should the Choya's twitter accusations thread be up. This is the reason why a central union or organization that represents all the teams and players needs to exist so there is a standard procedure for reporting hacks, stream cheating, or anything else that may jeopardize the integrity of the competition. As it stands something like 20-25% of this thread is pure public slander, and it's ruined the name of a progamer, notice that this is irrelevant to whether he was a hacker or not. No one is going to be held accountable for the damage that this has done if Spades didn't cheat. This is how slander always works, because you present a case that upsets the personal sensibilities and emotions of people explicitly irrelevant to the conflict and often that's the basis of discussion, not factual evidence or logic. The whole debate had little moral or logical relevance to begin with, it had alot of personal interest and relevance to the posters and people involved. I really hope threads like this don't become a sensationalist tread, we need to establish standards of reporting and debating topics like this." It's not true that their name is tarnished for sure. Effort? I didn't follow BW but IIRC he was accused of being part of the match fixing scandal and he's back to playing now and everything is fine and dandy. Think if the target was White-Ra his reputation would be tarnished right now? Fuck no. | ||
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bokchoi
Korea (South)9498 Posts
On June 05 2012 18:08 IcedBacon wrote: It's not true that their name is tarnished for sure. Effort? I didn't follow BW but IIRC he was accused of being part of the match fixing scandal and he's back to playing now and everything is fine and dandy. Think if the target was White-Ra his reputation would be tarnished right now? Fuck no. Nope. The only falsely accused player was SangHo/Killer and he retired from BW because of it. | ||
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Waterflow
Sweden1550 Posts
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Hyperiok
England20 Posts
On June 05 2012 18:13 Waterflow wrote: Gaming drama............... facepalm. If you don't like drama surrounding games, you're in the wrong community :p | ||
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