EPTChoya's twitter to accusations - Page 4
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JerKy
Korea (South)3013 Posts
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Gardel
Mexico220 Posts
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Roman666
Poland1440 Posts
On June 05 2012 14:28 NovemberstOrm wrote: Boxer wouldn't condone that shit are you serious? he would bitch slap anyone who would cheat in the SlayerS house, lol. SlayerS is one of the teams that I know for sure has nothing to do with this, since Boxer and Cella would not allow that kind of shit, especially Boxer since he has a sense of pro-gaming and pride for the game, hard to explain but I know he wouldn't allow that. I think you mistaken the word condone for condemn. Condone = accept. And I feel you man, Its like it does not require explanation in Boxer's case, he just can't do or accept that shit. | ||
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JerKy
Korea (South)3013 Posts
On June 05 2012 14:28 NovemberstOrm wrote: Boxer wouldn't condone that shit are you serious? he would bitch slap anyone who would cheat in the SlayerS house, lol. SlayerS is one of the teams that I know for sure has nothing to do with this, since Boxer and Cella would not allow that kind of shit, especially Boxer since he has a sense of pro-gaming and pride for the game, hard to explain but I know he wouldn't allow that. Yeah... Boxer is iconic, and Cella went through trouble with the whole WeRRa incident, we dont have evidence, but on pride, I think the SlayerS members are safe (as well as all the other Korean teams imo) | ||
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efren
United States125 Posts
On June 05 2012 14:33 JerKy wrote: Sigh all of this makes me sad... This fiasco reminds me of the Savior-incident. I fear for esports... T_T This pretty much screws over only sc2 not other games if anything | ||
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Moonling
United States987 Posts
On June 05 2012 14:26 stangstang wrote: like i said in the other thread. no amount of cheating let leenock win mlg providence, get second at gsl. maybe he stream cheated at home? maybe not. but the fact that he is REALLY REALLY good and has accomplishments at lan events should not be tarnished. NOBODY EVER SAID LEENOCK CHEATED to advance himself, stop spewing shit. The accusation was that he was giving a player "hints" or helpful tips. My god. | ||
l10f
United States3241 Posts
On June 05 2012 14:31 Haze.884 wrote: lol??? I assume you are looking at this part of my thread 요약 1. 한국 프로팀하우스에서 방송 치팅의 의혹제시 2. 프로게이머들의 맵핵은 의외로 많다 (온라인 토너먼트) 3. 이동녕이 귀맵도와줬다는 의혹제시 .... 2. says" amount of map hacks in progamers can be larger than you think" It does not specify Koreans hack. That thread was also about accusation at spades -_- what is wrong with you? 2. is a general statement that can be inferred from the whole thread. 1&3 says specifically it was suggested by the manager (의혹제시) Also, the manager regards as "cheating" that "occurs way more than people realise" can also include maphack. 2 doesn't say "can be larger than you think" it says "there are a lot, contrary to what you may think". | ||
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EnderCraft
United States1746 Posts
On June 05 2012 14:30 efren wrote: Am I the only one alarmed at this comment especially since its coming from a tournament organizer  And he should be concerned! This totally undermines every single online tournament. Part of what made SC2 grow to where it is today is SC2's daily online tournaments. Who wants to play in a tournament where stream cheating is so prevalent. Why even try. The only solution I could think of is a 5 minute delay on every online tournament stream. | ||
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Psychonian
United States2322 Posts
On June 05 2012 14:32 Bagration wrote: That's what I'm scared of. We honestly don't know what is going on. I hope it is just all a misunderstanding, and we can go back to happily gaming, but who knows how big of an issue this could be? I hope you are right, but some of the relevations today have really disquieted me. Indeed. In the last 24 hours, old, old memories have been aroused, someone who was once one of the top players has been accused of cheating, another high-level player has been accused of helping someone else cheat.. I could go on, but to save us all time, I won't. | ||
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Arco
United States2090 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44164 Posts
On June 05 2012 14:28 NovemberstOrm wrote: Boxer wouldn't condone that shit are you serious? he would bitch slap anyone who would cheat in the SlayerS house, lol. SlayerS is one of the teams that I know for sure has nothing to do with this, since Boxer and Cella would not allow that kind of shit, especially Boxer since he has a sense of pro-gaming and pride for the game, hard to explain but I know he wouldn't allow that. Boxer started crying for the heart and soul of pro-gaming- while being interviewed- when he was asked to comment about Savior's scandal. I'm quite sure he wouldn't allow anything underhanded to take place in the SlayerS house. Surely you remember how swiftly he dealt with Coca (and that was relatively minor), and how betrayed and dishonored he felt. That's not to say that no Korean pro-gamers would ever give in to the pressures of cheating, or that hacking could only be a foreigner problem, but we obviously need plenty of evidence before we start pointing fingers and throwing people under the bus. | ||
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JJH777
United States4400 Posts
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stangstang
Canada281 Posts
On June 05 2012 14:35 Moonling wrote: NOBODY EVER SAID LEENOCK CHEATED to advance himself, stop spewing shit. The accusation was that he was giving a player "hints" or helpful tips. My god. then thats up to MLG to deal with. people are making leenock out to be savior. | ||
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ImNightmare
1575 Posts
On June 05 2012 14:36 EnderCraft wrote: And he should be concerned! This totally undermines every single online tournament. Part of what made SC2 grow to where it is today is SC2's daily online tournaments. Who wants to play in a tournament where stream cheating is so prevalent. Why even try. The only solution I could think of is a 5 minute delay on every online tournament stream. You don't need to watch a delayed stream if you have map hack son. I would say online tournaments are kinda pointless unless you have people carrying a camera over your shoulder to prove you aren't hacking | ||
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babylon
8765 Posts
On June 05 2012 14:36 EnderCraft wrote: And he should be concerned! This totally undermines every single online tournament. Part of what made SC2 grow to where it is today is SC2's daily online tournaments. Who wants to play in a tournament where stream cheating is so prevalent. Why even try. The only solution I could think of is a 5 minute delay on every online tournament stream. It's such a simple fix. a.) No people within X radius of player on MLG open floor when they are playing. b.) Delay streams. Problem solved. | ||
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ch33psh33p
7650 Posts
On June 05 2012 14:37 JJH777 wrote: I don't understand the accusation at all. Do people in MLG sit right next to each other while they are playing? I'm assuming they don't so what Leenock was running to people his friends were playing and then running back and telling them what they are doing? That sounds ridiculous to me... All they said was that they were standing in the back making some BROAD remarks on the game in general. There was no running back and forth looking at other people's screens, holy shit. How do you make this stuff up? | ||
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VictorJones
United States235 Posts
I wasn't a huge fan of his before. Now I will be for I feel for him for being accused of such awful stuff | ||
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boxturtle
United States224 Posts
On June 05 2012 14:31 Positronic wrote: Jinro himself would tell you he hasn't been in all the other team houses, why are you taking his post as proof that this isn't going on? At this point, it's more evidence to the contrary but it's a bit ridiculous you're pointing to one person's post as proof as why we shouldn't pay attention to someone making a serious accusation Well, now we know for sure oGs didn't cheat. On top of that, I think the EG guys would have something to say if slayers was running around and cheating (I have a hard time imagining Boxer encouraging cheating in the first place). I don't know about you, but that's conclusive enough to for me to assume that it's not widespread at all, if existent. When Taeja was on slayers before liquid, he'd win a whole buttload of online stuff. He wouldn't be capable of doing that if people were hacking and cheating left and right. | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On June 05 2012 14:31 Positronic wrote: Jinro himself would tell you he hasn't been in all the other team houses, why are you taking his post as proof that this isn't going on? At this point, it's more evidence to the contrary but it's a bit ridiculous you're pointing to one person's post as proof as why we shouldn't pay attention to someone making a serious accusation Yeah I honestly have no idea, it's not like I'm ever at other houses, especially not during tournaments --- I had just assumed that we were past that stage. EDIT: One thing that kinda annoys me in this thread is how people are so quick to make judgements - in this case positive judgements - based on what you see outwards... Like, anytime any cheating is made public, there is literally 0 choice for any authority figure or really any person at all associated with the perpetrator: you must distance yourself and show that you do not condone of it. Even if someone had been actively supporting it, that's what they would do. I'm not in any way whatsoever implying that I know of anyone who did that, I am just saying that you can't look at public statements as evidence of anyones true feelings of..... almost anything. People say what they have to say, or do what they have to do, especially people with few enough morals to cheat in the first place. | ||
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babylon
8765 Posts
On June 05 2012 14:38 ch33psh33p wrote: All they said was that they were standing in the back making some BROAD remarks on the game in general. There was no running back and forth looking at other people's screens, holy shit. How do you make this stuff up? I will just note that having anyone standing behind you making even "broad" comments about the game can be more often helpful than not depending on what was said. | ||
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