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SpectreEU
Profile Joined October 2011
Norway28 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-27 09:39:34
April 27 2012 09:38 GMT
#1121
Don't we have enough IMBA korean terrans? I think a New Zerg or maaaybe Protoss would be Nice
Alea Iact Est
11cc
Profile Joined May 2008
Finland561 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-27 09:43:53
April 27 2012 09:43 GMT
#1122
On April 27 2012 18:26 MCXD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2012 17:08 Ricjames wrote:
It was already said that many coaches and pro bw players themselves don't feel well about the switch and it is unfortunate but inevitable for them.


The fact that players and coach have already been vocal about dislike means that Flash has absolutely nothing to gain by lying and saying he was enjoying it when he wasn't.


Maybe not being a dick is enough "gain" for him. I mean, he's the highest profile bw player and now that they are all switching and he is asked what he thinks, I could see him trying to do the good thing for esports and lie if he didn't care about the game yet. Not that there is anything to suggest that being the case. Just IF he didn't like the game he MIGHT lie.
paschl
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany666 Posts
April 27 2012 09:43 GMT
#1123
they wouldnt send a bw player if they werent sure he could at least get through the open bracket.
so either were gonna see a bw player (maybe multiple?) making a really strong sc2 debut or its not gonna happen.

there were rumors of bw teams playing sc2 for a while now, maybe there was a little more behind that than came out.
Ricjames
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Czech Republic1047 Posts
April 27 2012 09:59 GMT
#1124
On April 27 2012 18:21 Bayyne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2012 17:08 Ricjames wrote:
"now that we can establish that flash will not play sc2 by force, but rather from enjoyment"

How did you come up with this statement? I mean do you think he would say, the game sucks, i feel forced to play it and i hate it? It was already said that many coaches and pro bw players themselves don't feel well about the switch and it is unfortunate but inevitable for them.


How did you come up with the statement about MANY coaches and pro bw players? I know 1 coach in that interview with fomos was vocal about him not liking it that much, but he did go on to say that his players eventually enjoyed the game; they saw it as a challenge.

And if Flash felt forced to play, I'm sure he's a grown man and would say I quit. At least I hope he has that choice, IF he truly felt that way.


Are you serious? Imagine you are making houndreds thousand dollars playing games, you are among most famous pro-gamers of all time and you just quit because you are grown man and feel like it ? I don't think so. Also remember they will play bw and sc2 in the upcoming season. He loves bw and i am sure he wants to continue playing it as long as possible.
Maybe you should read some older interviews and not just the recent one.
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sluggaslamoo
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Australia4494 Posts
April 27 2012 10:05 GMT
#1125
On April 27 2012 18:38 SpectreEU wrote:
Don't we have enough IMBA korean terrans? I think a New Zerg or maaaybe Protoss would be Nice


Well then Blizzard should design the race better.

Even something like giving Zerg lurkers/defiler, and Protoss reavers would make a huge difference.

Instead we get burrowed broodlords, a slow ass corsair (viper), a weird ass underwhelming spell harass unit, and an air deathball unit.
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PredY
Profile Joined September 2009
Czech Republic1731 Posts
April 27 2012 10:13 GMT
#1126
On April 27 2012 19:05 sluggaslamoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2012 18:38 SpectreEU wrote:
Don't we have enough IMBA korean terrans? I think a New Zerg or maaaybe Protoss would be Nice


Well then Blizzard should design the race better.

Even something like giving Zerg lurkers/defiler, and Protoss reavers would make a huge difference.

Instead we get burrowed broodlords, a slow ass corsair (viper), a weird ass underwhelming spell harass unit, and an air deathball unit.

like you have any idea what units will make the expansion and how they turn out
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sluggaslamoo
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Australia4494 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-27 10:23:07
April 27 2012 10:21 GMT
#1127
On April 27 2012 19:13 PredY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2012 19:05 sluggaslamoo wrote:
On April 27 2012 18:38 SpectreEU wrote:
Don't we have enough IMBA korean terrans? I think a New Zerg or maaaybe Protoss would be Nice


Well then Blizzard should design the race better.

Even something like giving Zerg lurkers/defiler, and Protoss reavers would make a huge difference.

Instead we get burrowed broodlords, a slow ass corsair (viper), a weird ass underwhelming spell harass unit, and an air deathball unit.

like you have any idea what units will make the expansion and how they turn out


So the tempest is going to be used for anything other than a 1a deathball unit. Its basically another void-ray, except with splash, how can you not see that.

Realise how Zerg needs corruptors to beat colossus, now Protoss has tempests, what does Zerg do?

If Protoss had a fragile AtA splash like a corsair that would be fine, but Zerg would need scourge instead of corruptors because corruptors have terrible dps, they are practically air meatshields (Browder seems to fap over meat-shield units) which is why they still work as an AtA.

I'm just saying there is a reason most of the pros are choosing or switching to Terran.
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huehuehuehue
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Estonia455 Posts
April 27 2012 10:22 GMT
#1128
On April 27 2012 18:38 SpectreEU wrote:
Don't we have enough IMBA korean terrans? I think a New Zerg or maaaybe Protoss would be Nice

Well apparently Fantasy switched to Zerg.
sluggaslamoo
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Australia4494 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-27 10:24:44
April 27 2012 10:24 GMT
#1129
On April 27 2012 19:22 huehuehuehue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2012 18:38 SpectreEU wrote:
Don't we have enough IMBA korean terrans? I think a New Zerg or maaaybe Protoss would be Nice

Well apparently Fantasy switched to Zerg.


Oh yeah lol, though tbh I really don't think it will suit him. He loves his harass and strategic play.

Then again his bio play isn't that good so.
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Aeroplaneoverthesea
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom1977 Posts
April 27 2012 10:24 GMT
#1130
On April 27 2012 19:21 sluggaslamoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2012 19:13 PredY wrote:
On April 27 2012 19:05 sluggaslamoo wrote:
On April 27 2012 18:38 SpectreEU wrote:
Don't we have enough IMBA korean terrans? I think a New Zerg or maaaybe Protoss would be Nice


Well then Blizzard should design the race better.

Even something like giving Zerg lurkers/defiler, and Protoss reavers would make a huge difference.

Instead we get burrowed broodlords, a slow ass corsair (viper), a weird ass underwhelming spell harass unit, and an air deathball unit.

like you have any idea what units will make the expansion and how they turn out


So the tempest is going to be used for anything other than a 1a deathball unit. Its basically another void-ray, except with splash, how can you not see that.

Realise how Zerg needs corruptors to beat colossus, now Protoss has tempests, what does Zerg do?

If Protoss had a fragile AtA splash like a corsair that would be fine, but Zerg would need scourge instead of corruptors because corruptors have terrible dps, they are practically air meatshields (Browder seems to fap over meat-shield units) which is why they still work as an AtA.

I'm just saying there is a reason most of the pros are choosing or switching to Terran.


Clueless people are so funny. I bet you saw people using pure marine vs ling/baneling from day 1 of WOL too right? Or saw Zerg endgame as mass infestor/brood lord when no one even built brood lords for the first six months of the game.
sluggaslamoo
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Australia4494 Posts
April 27 2012 10:34 GMT
#1131
On April 27 2012 19:24 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2012 19:21 sluggaslamoo wrote:
On April 27 2012 19:13 PredY wrote:
On April 27 2012 19:05 sluggaslamoo wrote:
On April 27 2012 18:38 SpectreEU wrote:
Don't we have enough IMBA korean terrans? I think a New Zerg or maaaybe Protoss would be Nice


Well then Blizzard should design the race better.

Even something like giving Zerg lurkers/defiler, and Protoss reavers would make a huge difference.

Instead we get burrowed broodlords, a slow ass corsair (viper), a weird ass underwhelming spell harass unit, and an air deathball unit.

like you have any idea what units will make the expansion and how they turn out


So the tempest is going to be used for anything other than a 1a deathball unit. Its basically another void-ray, except with splash, how can you not see that.

Realise how Zerg needs corruptors to beat colossus, now Protoss has tempests, what does Zerg do?

If Protoss had a fragile AtA splash like a corsair that would be fine, but Zerg would need scourge instead of corruptors because corruptors have terrible dps, they are practically air meatshields (Browder seems to fap over meat-shield units) which is why they still work as an AtA.

I'm just saying there is a reason most of the pros are choosing or switching to Terran.


Clueless people are so funny. I bet you saw people using pure marine vs ling/baneling from day 1 of WOL too right? Or saw Zerg endgame as mass infestor/brood lord when no one even built brood lords for the first six months of the game.


If you mean in Beta, in korea, Zerg was considered the strongest race for a while, and it was much attributed to broodlords. The broodlord (and Zerg) got nerfed quite a lot, causing it to be one of the weakest races on release, if you don't remember.

Marine vs Baneling? Infestors? did anyone ever say these units were boring? I don't recall. I do recall however people saying that the colossus was one of the most boring units in Beta, and it still is. The tempest is another one of those units.

Anyway its getting away from my point which was in response to a person's statement, that the design of Protoss especially doesn't lend itself well to high level play. And so most progamers will find themselves not wanting to play that race.
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Severus_
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
759 Posts
April 27 2012 10:37 GMT
#1132
Well most people enjoy walks in the park.
Aeroplaneoverthesea
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom1977 Posts
April 27 2012 10:41 GMT
#1133
On April 27 2012 19:34 sluggaslamoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2012 19:24 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On April 27 2012 19:21 sluggaslamoo wrote:
On April 27 2012 19:13 PredY wrote:
On April 27 2012 19:05 sluggaslamoo wrote:
On April 27 2012 18:38 SpectreEU wrote:
Don't we have enough IMBA korean terrans? I think a New Zerg or maaaybe Protoss would be Nice


Well then Blizzard should design the race better.

Even something like giving Zerg lurkers/defiler, and Protoss reavers would make a huge difference.

Instead we get burrowed broodlords, a slow ass corsair (viper), a weird ass underwhelming spell harass unit, and an air deathball unit.

like you have any idea what units will make the expansion and how they turn out


So the tempest is going to be used for anything other than a 1a deathball unit. Its basically another void-ray, except with splash, how can you not see that.

Realise how Zerg needs corruptors to beat colossus, now Protoss has tempests, what does Zerg do?

If Protoss had a fragile AtA splash like a corsair that would be fine, but Zerg would need scourge instead of corruptors because corruptors have terrible dps, they are practically air meatshields (Browder seems to fap over meat-shield units) which is why they still work as an AtA.

I'm just saying there is a reason most of the pros are choosing or switching to Terran.


Clueless people are so funny. I bet you saw people using pure marine vs ling/baneling from day 1 of WOL too right? Or saw Zerg endgame as mass infestor/brood lord when no one even built brood lords for the first six months of the game.


If you mean in Beta, in korea, Zerg was considered the strongest race for a while, and it was much attributed to broodlords. The broodlord (and Zerg) got nerfed quite a lot, causing it to be one of the weakest races on release, if you don't remember.

Marine vs Baneling? Infestors? did anyone ever say these units were boring? I don't recall. I do recall however people saying that the colossus was one of the most boring units in Beta, and it still is. The tempest is another one of those units.

Anyway its getting away from my point which was in response to a person's statement, that the design of Protoss especially doesn't lend itself well to high level play. And so most progamers will find themselves not wanting to play that race.


Now you've completely dodged the point, which is that you have no idea how units will be used but even only 18 months after release the game looks nothing at all like it did in release. There's no way you can predict how good/bad units will be and what use they will have.
Prillan
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden350 Posts
April 27 2012 10:42 GMT
#1134
On April 27 2012 19:21 sluggaslamoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2012 19:13 PredY wrote:
On April 27 2012 19:05 sluggaslamoo wrote:
On April 27 2012 18:38 SpectreEU wrote:
Don't we have enough IMBA korean terrans? I think a New Zerg or maaaybe Protoss would be Nice


Well then Blizzard should design the race better.

Even something like giving Zerg lurkers/defiler, and Protoss reavers would make a huge difference.

Instead we get burrowed broodlords, a slow ass corsair (viper), a weird ass underwhelming spell harass unit, and an air deathball unit.

like you have any idea what units will make the expansion and how they turn out


So the tempest is going to be used for anything other than a 1a deathball unit. Its basically another void-ray, except with splash, how can you not see that.

Realise how Zerg needs corruptors to beat colossus, now Protoss has tempests, what does Zerg do?

If Protoss had a fragile AtA splash like a corsair that would be fine, but Zerg would need scourge instead of corruptors because corruptors have terrible dps, they are practically air meatshields (Browder seems to fap over meat-shield units) which is why they still work as an AtA.

I'm just saying there is a reason most of the pros are choosing or switching to Terran.


The tempest was a powerful splash anti-air capital ship at BlizzCon. With the addition of the range upgrade on phoenix in Wings of Liberty we no longer feel like a splash anti-air weapon is necessary on the protoss, but we would still like to give the protoss some additional firepower in the air. The tempest is currently a very long-ranged aerial siege weapon that can strike both air and ground targets. This gives the protoss army some real reach to force an engagement on their terms in the end-game.

http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/4833874/Developer_Update_Heart_of_the_Swarm_Multiplayer-4_12_2012#blog
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crystyxn
Profile Joined November 2010
Romania254 Posts
April 27 2012 10:49 GMT
#1135
FLASH HWAITING!!
"You should be the one putting pressure on your opponent, not the other way around." - Artosis
sluggaslamoo
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Australia4494 Posts
April 27 2012 10:53 GMT
#1136
On April 27 2012 19:41 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2012 19:34 sluggaslamoo wrote:
On April 27 2012 19:24 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On April 27 2012 19:21 sluggaslamoo wrote:
On April 27 2012 19:13 PredY wrote:
On April 27 2012 19:05 sluggaslamoo wrote:
On April 27 2012 18:38 SpectreEU wrote:
Don't we have enough IMBA korean terrans? I think a New Zerg or maaaybe Protoss would be Nice


Well then Blizzard should design the race better.

Even something like giving Zerg lurkers/defiler, and Protoss reavers would make a huge difference.

Instead we get burrowed broodlords, a slow ass corsair (viper), a weird ass underwhelming spell harass unit, and an air deathball unit.

like you have any idea what units will make the expansion and how they turn out


So the tempest is going to be used for anything other than a 1a deathball unit. Its basically another void-ray, except with splash, how can you not see that.

Realise how Zerg needs corruptors to beat colossus, now Protoss has tempests, what does Zerg do?

If Protoss had a fragile AtA splash like a corsair that would be fine, but Zerg would need scourge instead of corruptors because corruptors have terrible dps, they are practically air meatshields (Browder seems to fap over meat-shield units) which is why they still work as an AtA.

I'm just saying there is a reason most of the pros are choosing or switching to Terran.


Clueless people are so funny. I bet you saw people using pure marine vs ling/baneling from day 1 of WOL too right? Or saw Zerg endgame as mass infestor/brood lord when no one even built brood lords for the first six months of the game.


If you mean in Beta, in korea, Zerg was considered the strongest race for a while, and it was much attributed to broodlords. The broodlord (and Zerg) got nerfed quite a lot, causing it to be one of the weakest races on release, if you don't remember.

Marine vs Baneling? Infestors? did anyone ever say these units were boring? I don't recall. I do recall however people saying that the colossus was one of the most boring units in Beta, and it still is. The tempest is another one of those units.

Anyway its getting away from my point which was in response to a person's statement, that the design of Protoss especially doesn't lend itself well to high level play. And so most progamers will find themselves not wanting to play that race.


Now you've completely dodged the point, which is that you have no idea how units will be used but even only 18 months after release the game looks nothing at all like it did in release. There's no way you can predict how good/bad units will be and what use they will have.


No my original point was saying that if he doesn't want all the pro-players to pick Terran then Blizzard should have designed Protoss and Zerg better. Why else would Bisu pick Terran, except for the fact that his talent would be completely wasted playing SC2 Protoss. I've made my point and I'm not gonna change it, no more discussion is necessary on this, at all. Thanks.

On April 27 2012 19:42 Prillan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2012 19:21 sluggaslamoo wrote:
On April 27 2012 19:13 PredY wrote:
On April 27 2012 19:05 sluggaslamoo wrote:
On April 27 2012 18:38 SpectreEU wrote:
Don't we have enough IMBA korean terrans? I think a New Zerg or maaaybe Protoss would be Nice


Well then Blizzard should design the race better.

Even something like giving Zerg lurkers/defiler, and Protoss reavers would make a huge difference.

Instead we get burrowed broodlords, a slow ass corsair (viper), a weird ass underwhelming spell harass unit, and an air deathball unit.

like you have any idea what units will make the expansion and how they turn out


So the tempest is going to be used for anything other than a 1a deathball unit. Its basically another void-ray, except with splash, how can you not see that.

Realise how Zerg needs corruptors to beat colossus, now Protoss has tempests, what does Zerg do?

If Protoss had a fragile AtA splash like a corsair that would be fine, but Zerg would need scourge instead of corruptors because corruptors have terrible dps, they are practically air meatshields (Browder seems to fap over meat-shield units) which is why they still work as an AtA.

I'm just saying there is a reason most of the pros are choosing or switching to Terran.


Show nested quote +
The tempest was a powerful splash anti-air capital ship at BlizzCon. With the addition of the range upgrade on phoenix in Wings of Liberty we no longer feel like a splash anti-air weapon is necessary on the protoss, but we would still like to give the protoss some additional firepower in the air. The tempest is currently a very long-ranged aerial siege weapon that can strike both air and ground targets. This gives the protoss army some real reach to force an engagement on their terms in the end-game.

http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/4833874/Developer_Update_Heart_of_the_Swarm_Multiplayer-4_12_2012#blog


I don't really know if that makes it any better, now its a long ranged void-ray or an air-colossus no? But thanks for the link.
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SarcasmMonster
Profile Joined October 2011
3136 Posts
April 27 2012 11:10 GMT
#1137
On April 27 2012 19:53 sluggaslamoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2012 19:41 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On April 27 2012 19:34 sluggaslamoo wrote:
On April 27 2012 19:24 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On April 27 2012 19:21 sluggaslamoo wrote:
On April 27 2012 19:13 PredY wrote:
On April 27 2012 19:05 sluggaslamoo wrote:
On April 27 2012 18:38 SpectreEU wrote:
Don't we have enough IMBA korean terrans? I think a New Zerg or maaaybe Protoss would be Nice


Well then Blizzard should design the race better.

Even something like giving Zerg lurkers/defiler, and Protoss reavers would make a huge difference.

Instead we get burrowed broodlords, a slow ass corsair (viper), a weird ass underwhelming spell harass unit, and an air deathball unit.

like you have any idea what units will make the expansion and how they turn out


So the tempest is going to be used for anything other than a 1a deathball unit. Its basically another void-ray, except with splash, how can you not see that.

Realise how Zerg needs corruptors to beat colossus, now Protoss has tempests, what does Zerg do?

If Protoss had a fragile AtA splash like a corsair that would be fine, but Zerg would need scourge instead of corruptors because corruptors have terrible dps, they are practically air meatshields (Browder seems to fap over meat-shield units) which is why they still work as an AtA.

I'm just saying there is a reason most of the pros are choosing or switching to Terran.


Clueless people are so funny. I bet you saw people using pure marine vs ling/baneling from day 1 of WOL too right? Or saw Zerg endgame as mass infestor/brood lord when no one even built brood lords for the first six months of the game.


If you mean in Beta, in korea, Zerg was considered the strongest race for a while, and it was much attributed to broodlords. The broodlord (and Zerg) got nerfed quite a lot, causing it to be one of the weakest races on release, if you don't remember.

Marine vs Baneling? Infestors? did anyone ever say these units were boring? I don't recall. I do recall however people saying that the colossus was one of the most boring units in Beta, and it still is. The tempest is another one of those units.

Anyway its getting away from my point which was in response to a person's statement, that the design of Protoss especially doesn't lend itself well to high level play. And so most progamers will find themselves not wanting to play that race.


Now you've completely dodged the point, which is that you have no idea how units will be used but even only 18 months after release the game looks nothing at all like it did in release. There's no way you can predict how good/bad units will be and what use they will have.


No my original point was saying that if he doesn't want all the pro-players to pick Terran then Blizzard should have designed Protoss and Zerg better. Why else would Bisu pick Terran, except for the fact that his talent would be completely wasted playing SC2 Protoss. I've made my point and I'm not gonna change it, no more discussion is necessary on this, at all. Thanks.

Show nested quote +
On April 27 2012 19:42 Prillan wrote:
On April 27 2012 19:21 sluggaslamoo wrote:
On April 27 2012 19:13 PredY wrote:
On April 27 2012 19:05 sluggaslamoo wrote:
On April 27 2012 18:38 SpectreEU wrote:
Don't we have enough IMBA korean terrans? I think a New Zerg or maaaybe Protoss would be Nice


Well then Blizzard should design the race better.

Even something like giving Zerg lurkers/defiler, and Protoss reavers would make a huge difference.

Instead we get burrowed broodlords, a slow ass corsair (viper), a weird ass underwhelming spell harass unit, and an air deathball unit.

like you have any idea what units will make the expansion and how they turn out


So the tempest is going to be used for anything other than a 1a deathball unit. Its basically another void-ray, except with splash, how can you not see that.

Realise how Zerg needs corruptors to beat colossus, now Protoss has tempests, what does Zerg do?

If Protoss had a fragile AtA splash like a corsair that would be fine, but Zerg would need scourge instead of corruptors because corruptors have terrible dps, they are practically air meatshields (Browder seems to fap over meat-shield units) which is why they still work as an AtA.

I'm just saying there is a reason most of the pros are choosing or switching to Terran.


The tempest was a powerful splash anti-air capital ship at BlizzCon. With the addition of the range upgrade on phoenix in Wings of Liberty we no longer feel like a splash anti-air weapon is necessary on the protoss, but we would still like to give the protoss some additional firepower in the air. The tempest is currently a very long-ranged aerial siege weapon that can strike both air and ground targets. This gives the protoss army some real reach to force an engagement on their terms in the end-game.

http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/4833874/Developer_Update_Heart_of_the_Swarm_Multiplayer-4_12_2012#blog


I don't really know if that makes it any better, now its a long ranged void-ray or an air-colossus no? But thanks for the link.


You're really still going to complain about units pre-beta, even though Prillan has shown you that nothing is finalized yet? IMO next time Blizzard makes an expansion, they should just not tell anything to the community until release.
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Profile Joined May 2011
United States342 Posts
April 27 2012 11:12 GMT
#1138
On April 27 2012 19:53 sluggaslamoo wrote:
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On April 27 2012 19:41 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On April 27 2012 19:34 sluggaslamoo wrote:
On April 27 2012 19:24 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On April 27 2012 19:21 sluggaslamoo wrote:
On April 27 2012 19:13 PredY wrote:
On April 27 2012 19:05 sluggaslamoo wrote:
On April 27 2012 18:38 SpectreEU wrote:
Don't we have enough IMBA korean terrans? I think a New Zerg or maaaybe Protoss would be Nice


Well then Blizzard should design the race better.

Even something like giving Zerg lurkers/defiler, and Protoss reavers would make a huge difference.

Instead we get burrowed broodlords, a slow ass corsair (viper), a weird ass underwhelming spell harass unit, and an air deathball unit.

like you have any idea what units will make the expansion and how they turn out


So the tempest is going to be used for anything other than a 1a deathball unit. Its basically another void-ray, except with splash, how can you not see that.

Realise how Zerg needs corruptors to beat colossus, now Protoss has tempests, what does Zerg do?

If Protoss had a fragile AtA splash like a corsair that would be fine, but Zerg would need scourge instead of corruptors because corruptors have terrible dps, they are practically air meatshields (Browder seems to fap over meat-shield units) which is why they still work as an AtA.

I'm just saying there is a reason most of the pros are choosing or switching to Terran.


Clueless people are so funny. I bet you saw people using pure marine vs ling/baneling from day 1 of WOL too right? Or saw Zerg endgame as mass infestor/brood lord when no one even built brood lords for the first six months of the game.


If you mean in Beta, in korea, Zerg was considered the strongest race for a while, and it was much attributed to broodlords. The broodlord (and Zerg) got nerfed quite a lot, causing it to be one of the weakest races on release, if you don't remember.

Marine vs Baneling? Infestors? did anyone ever say these units were boring? I don't recall. I do recall however people saying that the colossus was one of the most boring units in Beta, and it still is. The tempest is another one of those units.

Anyway its getting away from my point which was in response to a person's statement, that the design of Protoss especially doesn't lend itself well to high level play. And so most progamers will find themselves not wanting to play that race.


Now you've completely dodged the point, which is that you have no idea how units will be used but even only 18 months after release the game looks nothing at all like it did in release. There's no way you can predict how good/bad units will be and what use they will have.


No my original point was saying that if he doesn't want all the pro-players to pick Terran then Blizzard should have designed Protoss and Zerg better. Why else would Bisu pick Terran, except for the fact that his talent would be completely wasted playing SC2 Protoss. I've made my point and I'm not gonna change it, no more discussion is necessary on this, at all. Thanks.

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On April 27 2012 19:42 Prillan wrote:
On April 27 2012 19:21 sluggaslamoo wrote:
On April 27 2012 19:13 PredY wrote:
On April 27 2012 19:05 sluggaslamoo wrote:
On April 27 2012 18:38 SpectreEU wrote:
Don't we have enough IMBA korean terrans? I think a New Zerg or maaaybe Protoss would be Nice


Well then Blizzard should design the race better.

Even something like giving Zerg lurkers/defiler, and Protoss reavers would make a huge difference.

Instead we get burrowed broodlords, a slow ass corsair (viper), a weird ass underwhelming spell harass unit, and an air deathball unit.

like you have any idea what units will make the expansion and how they turn out


So the tempest is going to be used for anything other than a 1a deathball unit. Its basically another void-ray, except with splash, how can you not see that.

Realise how Zerg needs corruptors to beat colossus, now Protoss has tempests, what does Zerg do?

If Protoss had a fragile AtA splash like a corsair that would be fine, but Zerg would need scourge instead of corruptors because corruptors have terrible dps, they are practically air meatshields (Browder seems to fap over meat-shield units) which is why they still work as an AtA.

I'm just saying there is a reason most of the pros are choosing or switching to Terran.


The tempest was a powerful splash anti-air capital ship at BlizzCon. With the addition of the range upgrade on phoenix in Wings of Liberty we no longer feel like a splash anti-air weapon is necessary on the protoss, but we would still like to give the protoss some additional firepower in the air. The tempest is currently a very long-ranged aerial siege weapon that can strike both air and ground targets. This gives the protoss army some real reach to force an engagement on their terms in the end-game.

http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/4833874/Developer_Update_Heart_of_the_Swarm_Multiplayer-4_12_2012#blog


I don't really know if that makes it any better, now its a long ranged void-ray or an air-colossus no? But thanks for the link.


Are you honestly implying that protoss has a shallow skill ceiling? Reminder the best protoss in the world. MC, only 2 bases about 85% of his games. So what did all of the other protoss' do? 2 base every game. then people like Parting realized that you can actually macro and roll any race in the late game via instant remax or mothership vortex. Obviously parting didnt discover the macro game, but right now he is pretty much perfecting it.

Also your whole point was that the tempest is an aoe splash flying colossus when in fact its just a long range single target probably high dps carrier replacement.
paradoxOO9
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1123 Posts
April 27 2012 11:20 GMT
#1139
Why is it that bw fans just can't handle the fact that Flash and other bw players/coaches actually enjoy the game?
hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
April 27 2012 11:25 GMT
#1140
On April 27 2012 18:59 Ricjames wrote:
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On April 27 2012 18:21 Bayyne wrote:
On April 27 2012 17:08 Ricjames wrote:
"now that we can establish that flash will not play sc2 by force, but rather from enjoyment"

How did you come up with this statement? I mean do you think he would say, the game sucks, i feel forced to play it and i hate it? It was already said that many coaches and pro bw players themselves don't feel well about the switch and it is unfortunate but inevitable for them.


How did you come up with the statement about MANY coaches and pro bw players? I know 1 coach in that interview with fomos was vocal about him not liking it that much, but he did go on to say that his players eventually enjoyed the game; they saw it as a challenge.

And if Flash felt forced to play, I'm sure he's a grown man and would say I quit. At least I hope he has that choice, IF he truly felt that way.


Are you serious? Imagine you are making houndreds thousand dollars playing games, you are among most famous pro-gamers of all time and you just quit because you are grown man and feel like it ? I don't think so. Also remember they will play bw and sc2 in the upcoming season. He loves bw and i am sure he wants to continue playing it as long as possible.
Maybe you should read some older interviews and not just the recent one.

How do you know he even loves BW anymore? A lot of players have strongly hinted at being very bored with the game after thousands of hours of practice.
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