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iky43210
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States2099 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-27 03:14:15
April 27 2012 03:11 GMT
#1101
On April 27 2012 12:02 sc14s wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2012 11:59 iky43210 wrote:
On April 27 2012 11:56 lolboi222 wrote:
On April 27 2012 11:29 Rance wrote:


I wonder if SC2 will ever be this big even with Flash...


I know BW will never be that big again, but sc2 has a chance.


I doubt it. gamers from this era likes multi-player competitive games, such as mmo, fps, and dota, no matter the difficulty or "viewing pleasure", people are going to invest time that they personally play.

RTS is becoming more niche as years go by


huh? from my experience its the complete opposite.. do you have any data to back up this claim of RTS becoming more "niche"? total number of players playing games like sc2 has certainly gone up so..


sc2 was an unusual case for RTS games, it did well cause of brand and marketing. Just look at the most recent RTS games and their numbers sold, definitely much smaller than the golden era RTS used to be back in sc1/AoE/red alert/wc period

You can also look at the active playerbase drop for sc2. Gamers just don't like challenging games these days. Why waste months of practicing just to be subpar at a game when you can have instant gratification from the illusion of "being good" that you get from playing team games?
teamsolid
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada3668 Posts
April 27 2012 03:13 GMT
#1102
On April 27 2012 11:59 iky43210 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2012 11:56 lolboi222 wrote:
On April 27 2012 11:29 Rance wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aw-42JO3qk

I wonder if SC2 will ever be this big even with Flash...


I know BW will never be that big again, but sc2 has a chance.


I doubt it. gamers from this era likes multi-player competitive games, such as mmo, fps, and dota, no matter the difficulty or "viewing pleasure", people are going to invest time that they personally play.

RTS is becoming more niche as years go by


So that's why the MMO and FPS E-Sports scenes are so big right? LoL is big because it's popular AND Riot is pushing hard in trying to get people to care about E-Sports. Same isn't true for the other 2.
iky43210
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States2099 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-27 03:17:32
April 27 2012 03:16 GMT
#1103
On April 27 2012 12:13 teamsolid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2012 11:59 iky43210 wrote:
On April 27 2012 11:56 lolboi222 wrote:
On April 27 2012 11:29 Rance wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aw-42JO3qk

I wonder if SC2 will ever be this big even with Flash...


I know BW will never be that big again, but sc2 has a chance.


I doubt it. gamers from this era likes multi-player competitive games, such as mmo, fps, and dota, no matter the difficulty or "viewing pleasure", people are going to invest time that they personally play.

RTS is becoming more niche as years go by


So that's why the MMO and FPS E-Sports scenes are so big right? LoL is big because it's popular AND Riot is pushing hard in trying to get people to care about E-Sports. Same isn't true for the other 2.


MMO and fps esport aren't big because nobody is pushing it. But they have the playerbase for tremendous growth if some companies decide to invest.

well, actually I think in Asia the fps esport are pretty big with that counter-strike clone game

RTS don't have the humongous playerbase compare to fps, mmo, or dota, so the growth is minimal. At least that's how I see it personally
holy_war
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States3590 Posts
April 27 2012 03:17 GMT
#1104
Flash and co. to MLG Anaheim?
[image loading]
dsousa
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1363 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-27 03:20:34
April 27 2012 03:18 GMT
#1105
On April 27 2012 12:05 Abort Retry Fail wrote:
As I see it, having a Korean SC2 SPL will almost end up like BW where the korean sc2 scene will explode exponentially and the skill cap getting so large between koreans and foreigners and koreans will only go to foreign events out of spite to show them who really is boss. There should be a global group to organize this kind of thing,


Spite.... and 50k prize pools. Travelling the world to play SC2 is good times for the 18-25 year old crowd.

Foreign tournaments are the sweet ripe nectar of SC2, doesn't make any sense not to participate in them if you really are dominant.
Abort Retry Fail
Profile Joined December 2011
2636 Posts
April 27 2012 03:26 GMT
#1106
On April 27 2012 12:18 dsousa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2012 12:05 Abort Retry Fail wrote:
As I see it, having a Korean SC2 SPL will almost end up like BW where the korean sc2 scene will explode exponentially and the skill cap getting so large between koreans and foreigners and koreans will only go to foreign events out of spite to show them who really is boss. There should be a global group to organize this kind of thing,


Spite.... and 50k prize pools. Travelling the world to play SC2 is good times for the 18-25 year old crowd.

Foreign tournaments are the sweet ripe nectar of SC2, doesn't make any sense not to participate in them if you really are dominant.

Exactly. I don't see a scenario where foreigners will be able to catch up after some point. Then it will be like a reverse of the Elephant in the room scenarion where foreigners scrap for mini leagues while koreans just crash all the major ones.
BSOD
sc14s
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5052 Posts
April 27 2012 03:28 GMT
#1107
On April 27 2012 12:17 holy_war wrote:
Flash and co. to MLG Anaheim?
[image loading]


erh? i guess it could be inferred but why would they just throw in a top lvl bw player into the scene like that without and insurance that they would do well?
garbodor
Profile Joined October 2011
269 Posts
April 27 2012 03:30 GMT
#1108
On April 27 2012 12:28 sc14s wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2012 12:17 holy_war wrote:
Flash and co. to MLG Anaheim?
[image loading]


erh? i guess it could be inferred but why would they just throw in a top lvl bw player into the scene like that without and insurance that they would do well?


star power mang

guarantee bw fans that haven't looked twice at sc2 will be watching mlg if flash is playing
dsousa
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1363 Posts
April 27 2012 03:32 GMT
#1109
On April 27 2012 12:28 sc14s wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2012 12:17 holy_war wrote:
Flash and co. to MLG Anaheim?
[image loading]


erh? i guess it could be inferred but why would they just throw in a top lvl bw player into the scene like that without and insurance that they would do well?


Guts.....

If its true, I would respect it.

Nothing is braver than just throwing yourself into the heat of battle. True confidence is being able to deal with the results, regardless of what they may be.

Far better decision for the esport than separate player bases.

sc14s
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5052 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-27 03:47:24
April 27 2012 03:41 GMT
#1110
On April 27 2012 12:32 dsousa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2012 12:28 sc14s wrote:
On April 27 2012 12:17 holy_war wrote:
Flash and co. to MLG Anaheim?
[image loading]


erh? i guess it could be inferred but why would they just throw in a top lvl bw player into the scene like that without and insurance that they would do well?


Guts.....

If its true, I would respect it.

Nothing is braver than just throwing yourself into the heat of battle. True confidence is being able to deal with the results, regardless of what they may be.

Far better decision for the esport than separate player bases.


i am not saying i wouldn't want this to happen but it seems a bit far fetched is all.. if its true my nerd dreams have come true.


mostly b/c i might be going ;D
nbaker
Profile Joined July 2009
United States1341 Posts
April 27 2012 03:42 GMT
#1111
Maybe I'm just grumpy, but as much as I like my favorite Broodwar pro's, I don't really care if they dominate in SC2 or not. I think a lot of people are imagining this as some kind of moment of reckoning, where we find out if Kespa's progamers are actually as dedicated and talented as they've been made out to be, but for anyone who's followed and tried to play Broodwar this is a question that doesn't need answering. Failure on their part, for me, would reflect badly on SC2, not them.

If Broodwar really is going to stop being played professionally in Korea, I'm glad some of the players are enjoying their new jobs, but only because I wish the best for the people who've entertained me all these years
Ponera
Profile Joined October 2011
Canada596 Posts
April 27 2012 03:52 GMT
#1112
He was messing around on random 3s the other day and my friend + I got to play with him! Guy was great to play with.
You won't feel very "Plus" in TL+
vol_
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia1608 Posts
April 27 2012 04:05 GMT
#1113
It's a lie, the God-King doesn't bleed.
Jaedong gives me a deep resonance.
TiTanIum_
Profile Joined August 2011
Brazil1335 Posts
April 27 2012 04:11 GMT
#1114
On April 27 2012 12:52 Ponera wrote:
He was messing around on random 3s the other day and my friend + I got to play with him! Guy was great to play with.


You know the drill. Pic or it didn't happen...
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
April 27 2012 05:16 GMT
#1115
On April 27 2012 11:56 lolboi222 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2012 11:29 Rance wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aw-42JO3qk

I wonder if SC2 will ever be this big even with Flash...


I know BW will never be that big again, but sc2 has a chance.


Sniff, sniff... and those were the halcyon days.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
DreamOen
Profile Joined March 2010
Spain1400 Posts
April 27 2012 07:18 GMT
#1116
I am also worried about the actual skill ceilling, I have really big hopes on HoTS, to change it into something more guerrilla war based.
Tester | MC | Crank | Flash | Jaedong | MVP
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
April 27 2012 07:51 GMT
#1117
It's gonna be so funny if BW pros got eliminated in open bracket before getting into the playoff.
Ricjames
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Czech Republic1047 Posts
April 27 2012 08:08 GMT
#1118
"now that we can establish that flash will not play sc2 by force, but rather from enjoyment"

How did you come up with this statement? I mean do you think he would say, the game sucks, i feel forced to play it and i hate it? It was already said that many coaches and pro bw players themselves don't feel well about the switch and it is unfortunate but inevitable for them.
Brood War is the best RTS that has ever been created.
Bayyne
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1967 Posts
April 27 2012 09:21 GMT
#1119
On April 27 2012 17:08 Ricjames wrote:
"now that we can establish that flash will not play sc2 by force, but rather from enjoyment"

How did you come up with this statement? I mean do you think he would say, the game sucks, i feel forced to play it and i hate it? It was already said that many coaches and pro bw players themselves don't feel well about the switch and it is unfortunate but inevitable for them.


How did you come up with the statement about MANY coaches and pro bw players? I know 1 coach in that interview with fomos was vocal about him not liking it that much, but he did go on to say that his players eventually enjoyed the game; they saw it as a challenge.

And if Flash felt forced to play, I'm sure he's a grown man and would say I quit. At least I hope he has that choice, IF he truly felt that way.
Remember not only to say the right thing in the right place, but far more difficult still, to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.
MCXD
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Australia2738 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-27 09:27:30
April 27 2012 09:26 GMT
#1120
On April 27 2012 17:08 Ricjames wrote:
It was already said that many coaches and pro bw players themselves don't feel well about the switch and it is unfortunate but inevitable for them.


The fact that players and coach have already been vocal about dislike means that Flash has absolutely nothing to gain by lying and saying he was enjoying it when he wasn't.
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