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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
On potentially adding a Nexus recall: "They can move out onto the map with their slower sentry/zealot force and, if things don’t work out, recall the force back to their base if and when things go wrong. " IF AND WHEN Blizzard implying zealot/sentry sucks? OR Blizzard implying Protoss sucks? You be the judge! + Show Spoiler + in reality, the writer of the article probably made a mistake of word choice | ||
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Adreme
United States5574 Posts
On April 27 2012 20:31 Bill Murray wrote: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/4833874/Developer_Update_Heart_of_the_Swarm_Multiplayer-4_12_2012#blog On potentially adding a Nexus recall: "They can move out onto the map with their slower sentry/zealot force and, if things don’t work out, recall the force back to their base if and when things go wrong. " IF AND WHEN Blizzard implying zealot/sentry sucks? OR Blizzard implying Protoss sucks? You be the judge! + Show Spoiler + in reality, the writer of the article probably made a mistake of word choice No he was being completely serious. What the article was implying was when you overstay your welcome (which is the most common thing people do when harasssing zerg) than you can recall back instead of losing all your sentries. | ||
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Torra
Norway469 Posts
On April 27 2012 20:34 Adreme wrote: No he was being completely serious. What the article was implying was when you overstay your welcome (which is the most common thing people do when harasssing zerg) than you can recall back instead of losing all your sentries. Basically just making protoss even easier. | ||
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nttea
Sweden4353 Posts
On April 27 2012 10:27 justsayinbro wrote: Am I the only one who is more excited to see the end of Elephant in the room with flash's transition? I mean leading up to his first broadcasted match there will be more of this debate but once flash shows how he will actually play one of you guys will be wrong while other is right  nah, unless flash 100% dominates everyone everytime(and everyone knows that won't happen) people wouldn't concede that argument, and if flash or practically every bw pro tanks and fails bw fanboys would still make excuses about how sc2 requires no skill or the pro's don't even care/like sc2 or whatever. This particular divide will never get closure cause regardless of the truth some people won't admit to seeing it | ||
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Aeroplaneoverthesea
United Kingdom1977 Posts
On April 27 2012 19:53 sluggaslamoo wrote: No my original point was saying that if he doesn't want all the pro-players to pick Terran then Blizzard should have designed Protoss and Zerg better. Why else would Bisu pick Terran, except for the fact that his talent would be completely wasted playing SC2 Protoss. I've made my point and I'm not gonna change it, no more discussion is necessary on this, at all. Thanks. Because maybe after 10 years he fancies a change and fresh start? Losira swapped the Zerg, Idra swapped to Zerg, Morrow switched to Zerg. | ||
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Acritter
Syria7637 Posts
On April 27 2012 20:47 nttea wrote: nah, unless flash 100% dominates everyone everytime(and everyone knows that won't happen) people wouldn't concede that argument, and if flash or practically every bw pro tanks and fails bw fanboys would still make excuses about how sc2 requires no skill or the pro's don't even care/like sc2 or whatever. This particular divide will never get closure cause regardless of the truth some people won't admit to seeing it Flash's switch-over can't do anything but disprove the Elephant. If he continues to play at Bonjwa level, then that's exactly as expected because he's a Bonjwa. If he plays at sub-Bonjwa level, then it means that the competition in SC2 was NOT a farce. The only thing that can prove the Elephant true is what all the other players do. If, after the switch, we're faced with a GSL composed almost entirely of old BW pros, then it's clear the Elephant WAS true. If it's only half or less, then the Elephant was false. Flash alone, though, can't prove anything. | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11133 Posts
Why don't we move Nexus Recall into an item and put that item into some kind of neutral trading post. Maybe each race can have some sort of powerful unit with an inventory to carry these items. And perhaps there are other power-up items that can be bought from these neutral shops. Of course, Warcraft 3 is a fine game, but it's no Starcraft. I kinda wish the Arbiter was back in some shape, or at least some kind of support Stargate unit like the Arbiter. | ||
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Aeroplaneoverthesea
United Kingdom1977 Posts
On April 27 2012 20:59 Acritter wrote: Flash's switch-over can't do anything but disprove the Elephant. If he continues to play at Bonjwa level, then that's exactly as expected because he's a Bonjwa. If he plays at sub-Bonjwa level, then it means that the competition in SC2 was NOT a farce. The only thing that can prove the Elephant true is what all the other players do. If, after the switch, we're faced with a GSL composed almost entirely of old BW pros, then it's clear the Elephant WAS true. If it's only half or less, then the Elephant was false. Flash alone, though, can't prove anything. You still need to wait at least six months and more like a year after the switch to allow them to catch up. This topic has a lot of mileage left in the tank. | ||
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DreamChaser
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Shinta)
United States1716 Posts
Indeed. The imbalance would be beyond ridiculous. | ||
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Voltaire
United States1485 Posts
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Ricjames
Czech Republic1047 Posts
On April 27 2012 21:11 Voltaire wrote: Flash would need at least 3 months of hardcore practice to be able to compete with the current top pros. You should remember that current pros were cleaning toilets in team houses. I think Flash could be up there within a month if he gave it 100% in practice, but i doubt it as he still plays BW. Also Flash's skill might be above sc2 skill cap, which means he might perform just average among pros, because he can't really use his full potential. I mean there are specific attributes that make Flash perfect in bw that might not fully transfer into sc2. | ||
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raf3776
United States1904 Posts
On April 27 2012 23:20 Ricjames wrote: You should remember that current pros were cleaning toilets in team houses. I think Flash could be up there within a month if he gave it 100% in practice, but i doubt it as he still plays BW. Also Flash's skill might be above sc2 skill cap, which means he might perform just average among pros, because he can't really use his full potential. I mean there are specific attributes that make Flash perfect in bw that might not fully transfer into sc2. Flash isnt above the sc2 skill cap because there is no skill cap. There is always something people could be doing better. They said they reached the skill cap a year into sc2 and now if we went back a year ago we realize how we were playing terribly. A year from now will be the same. | ||
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lolboi222
South Africa44 Posts
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Apolo
Portugal1259 Posts
On April 27 2012 23:20 Ricjames wrote: You should remember that current pros were cleaning toilets in team houses. I think Flash could be up there within a month if he gave it 100% in practice, but i doubt it as he still plays BW. Also Flash's skill might be above sc2 skill cap, which means he might perform just average among pros, because he can't really use his full potential. I mean there are specific attributes that make Flash perfect in bw that might not fully transfer into sc2. When he can do things like this (which is impossible because the AI was using over 1k apm iirc ) then you can say anyone is above SC2 skill cap. | ||
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Ricjames
Czech Republic1047 Posts
On April 27 2012 23:25 raf3776 wrote: Flash isnt above the sc2 skill cap because there is no skill cap. There is always something people could be doing better. They said they reached the skill cap a year into sc2 and now if we went back a year ago we realize how we were playing terribly. A year from now will be the same. Of course there is no skill cap, actually nothing that we know has a real skill cap. I meant there are many factors that influence the overall skill in bw. Someone might be the best at strategic thinking but he really sucks at microing units or has very bad mechanics. Flash's combination of all BW factors is the highest and that is why he is the best. Some factors that make Flash really stand out might be just missing in sc2... | ||
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0neder
United States3733 Posts
We don't want players to take risks or lose their mineral lines guys. It's just not fun. | ||
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Ricjames
Czech Republic1047 Posts
On April 27 2012 23:34 Apolo wrote: When he can do things like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrbYd4OFrWE&t=0m23s (which is impossible because the AI was using over 1k apm iirc ) then you can say anyone is above SC2 skill cap. What you basically said is that when Usain Bolt will be able to run 200 Km/h, you can say he is above skill cap.... kudos | ||
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babybell
776 Posts
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Ameisenmann
Albania296 Posts
On April 27 2012 23:34 Apolo wrote: When he can do things like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrbYd4OFrWE&t=0m23s (which is impossible because the AI was using over 1k apm iirc ) then you can say anyone is above SC2 skill cap. That's a flawed argument because a human can never approach this kind of micro, no matter how much he trains. There's just no way you can stutter step 20 individual units at a time seperately, unless you are a computer. Of course there's marine splits, but not like this and it will never be possible so its not part of the skillcap attainable by a human. | ||
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