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Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 10 2012 00:44 GMT
#1301
If the Clippers still had Eric Gordon they would probably be the #1 seed in the West. That back court would be unstoppable.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
heliusx
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States2306 Posts
May 10 2012 00:46 GMT
#1302
On May 10 2012 09:42 justinpal wrote:
I have commentary on mute. My neighbors were complaining about loud slurping noises.

loooooool
dude bro.
heliusx
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States2306 Posts
May 10 2012 00:53 GMT
#1303
lol ball to the nose ><
dude bro.
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
May 10 2012 00:56 GMT
#1304
On May 10 2012 09:32 XaI)CyRiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2012 08:07 igotmyown wrote:
And by the way, I'd like to ask for a re-evaluation for everyone who said throwing in Eric Gordon was way too steep a price to pay for Chris Paul. What was the argument, he wouldn't be quite as good, but he still had good value/potential for his salary? Recant your blasphemy.


The argument most people had for being against the inclusion of Gordon in the deal was that the Clippers were already giving up more than any other team could offer the Hornets in terms of youth and picks. The assumption was that present value wasn't going to cut it since Stern allegedly vetoed the Lakers-Rockets trade because he thought it was better for the Hornets to go young with picks (ironically, implying that the league approved with the tanking-to-improve strategy). Once you took out any deals not involving present value, the Clippers had virtually no competitors for CP3 since no other team could offer a better deal with regards to to picks and youth.

The bullshit was that the Hornets would almost certainly have taken the non-Gordon version of the deal (if I remember correctly, the original position was Gordon OR the pick), but that they were able to get Gordon included only because Stern was forcing the Clippers to give up more with his recently-demonstrated veto power. The commissioner of the NBA making personnel decisions for a league-owned team that was supposed to be run independently in the midst of the CBA negotiations centered around handicapping big market teams (like those in LA) was an egregious abuse of a blatant conflict of interest by itself, but Stern took it one step further by providing the Hornets with bargaining power/leverage against the Clippers that would not have existed but for that abuse.

So not only did he screw the Lakers (and Rockets to some extent) by vetoing an agreed-upon trade between parties who negotiated fairly without any sign of collusion or improperity, which had NEVER happened before, he also screwed the Clippers by forcing them to include Gordon in the trade for CP3 when all signs prior were that the Hornets would've accepted a non-Gordon version of the trade. Again, it cannot be stressed enough that the Hornets had absolutely NO leverage at all because CP3 was guaranteed to walk next season and everyone knew it.

So, to address your post, the question we should be asking is how much MORE dangerous the Clippers would be if they had been able to field a roster this season that included Paul, Gordon and Griffin. Look at what Paul has been able to accomplish with Foye playing SG next to him, and consider how much more he'd bea ble to accomplish with Gordon.


How well said!

That's exactly right. The Clippers were bidding for a product that was not going to remain for the seller for long and only wanted to go to certain buyers. TERRIBLE TIME TO MAKE A DEAL, IMO. Imagine this team without Bled and with EJ. Holy shit, you think Paul scores easy in the fourth now? No one would leave EJ open. I'm now truly sad. Thanks.
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
scaban84
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1080 Posts
May 10 2012 01:16 GMT
#1305
The knicks dont want to run in transition. They just want to play contested 1v1 basketball. its sad.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design." — Friedrich von Hayek
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5357 Posts
May 10 2012 01:23 GMT
#1306
On May 10 2012 10:16 scaban84 wrote:
The knicks dont want to run in transition. They just want to play contested 1v1 basketball. its sad.

lol who can blame them?
playing the transition game against a team with wade and lebron is practically suicide, although 1v1 isn't much better
¯\_(シ)_/¯
justinpal
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3810 Posts
May 10 2012 01:24 GMT
#1307
What I don't understand is why the Knicks don't keep Novak on the floor. He spaces the defense so well and he can guard Batier or Miller on defense. If the Heat do fall asleep on him, he is a guy who can make a shot.
Never make a hydralisk.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 10 2012 01:27 GMT
#1308
On May 10 2012 10:24 justinpal wrote:
What I don't understand is why the Knicks don't keep Novak on the floor. He spaces the defense so well and he can guard Batier or Miller on defense. If the Heat do fall asleep on him, he is a guy who can make a shot.


....

Have you seen what the Heat did to Novak?
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
justinpal
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3810 Posts
May 10 2012 01:30 GMT
#1309
On May 10 2012 10:27 Ace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2012 10:24 justinpal wrote:
What I don't understand is why the Knicks don't keep Novak on the floor. He spaces the defense so well and he can guard Batier or Miller on defense. If the Heat do fall asleep on him, he is a guy who can make a shot.


....

Have you seen what the Heat did to Novak?


So you think its better for them to just ignore Bibby or Fields when they are standing on the perimeter? Allowing them to easily help in the paint. Novak keeps them away from the paint and the offensive glass. Not everything is about scoring. Just my two cents.
Never make a hydralisk.
Bonzinator
Profile Joined February 2011
Slovenia862 Posts
May 10 2012 01:30 GMT
#1310
On May 10 2012 10:24 justinpal wrote:
What I don't understand is why the Knicks don't keep Novak on the floor. He spaces the defense so well and he can guard Batier or Miller on defense. If the Heat do fall asleep on him, he is a guy who can make a shot.


No defense, can't rebound much. And he ain't getting much of the shots off with Miami really playing him tight.
You could say that would open space for others, but they just throw the ball to Melo and stand there. He throws its up, lots of contested ones as well and thats about it. Hence Amare'e has 7 attempts. 7? Melo has 28. That's just bad basketball.
justinpal
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3810 Posts
May 10 2012 01:34 GMT
#1311
On May 10 2012 10:30 Bonzinator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2012 10:24 justinpal wrote:
What I don't understand is why the Knicks don't keep Novak on the floor. He spaces the defense so well and he can guard Batier or Miller on defense. If the Heat do fall asleep on him, he is a guy who can make a shot.


No defense, can't rebound much. And he ain't getting much of the shots off with Miami really playing him tight.
You could say that would open space for others, but they just throw the ball to Melo and stand there. He throws its up, lots of contested ones as well and thats about it. Hence Amare'e has 7 attempts. 7? Melo has 28. That's just bad basketball.


Yeah, well no one to run the offense will kill you in this league. See you guys next year!
Never make a hydralisk.
Bonzinator
Profile Joined February 2011
Slovenia862 Posts
May 10 2012 01:37 GMT
#1312
GG Heat! Now Indy! Looking forward to it Going to be a fun one.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 10 2012 01:38 GMT
#1313
L.M.A.O.

KNICKS!
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
VENDIZ
Profile Joined October 2010
1575 Posts
May 10 2012 02:10 GMT
#1314
Wow, Gasol & Z-Bo are really giving it to the Clippers, this is how I expected things to be throughout the series!
SaGe fighting!!~~~~~~
MassHysteria
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3678 Posts
May 10 2012 02:15 GMT
#1315
z-bo <3 He is really pulling from within. I have a sprained knee right now so totally feeling for him lol.
"Just ban all the J's...even jinklejoes" --unnamed source
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
May 10 2012 02:31 GMT
#1316
On May 10 2012 10:30 justinpal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2012 10:27 Ace wrote:
On May 10 2012 10:24 justinpal wrote:
What I don't understand is why the Knicks don't keep Novak on the floor. He spaces the defense so well and he can guard Batier or Miller on defense. If the Heat do fall asleep on him, he is a guy who can make a shot.


....

Have you seen what the Heat did to Novak?


So you think its better for them to just ignore Bibby or Fields when they are standing on the perimeter? Allowing them to easily help in the paint. Novak keeps them away from the paint and the offensive glass. Not everything is about scoring. Just my two cents.


Fields hardly played. JR got the limited coverage that he needs to be bad. Novak gets mauled when he gets the ball. Its not like the spacing really helps because the defender thats helping off him can rush him without worrying about getting beaten of the dribble. If you can premeditate you can cover more angles so its not that hard for the Heat which has the athleticism required pretty much covered.
b0mBerMan
Profile Joined April 2012
Japan289 Posts
May 10 2012 02:41 GMT
#1317
melo needs to improve his game fast if he needs to be in championshiop contention in the next few seasons. he can't be content to play like this. he definitely has that "all time great" material, if only he starts to improve his overall game and maturity in the court.
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9173 Posts
May 10 2012 02:55 GMT
#1318
On May 10 2012 11:41 b0mBerMan wrote:
melo needs to improve his game fast if he needs to be in championshiop contention in the next few seasons. he can't be content to play like this. he definitely has that "all time great" material, if only he starts to improve his overall game and maturity in the court.

as long as the nba remains 5v5 and not 1v1 melo will never be championship material.
Yhamm is the god of predictions
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
May 10 2012 03:36 GMT
#1319
TECHNICALS FOR EVERYONE!
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
seiferoth10
Profile Joined May 2010
3362 Posts
May 10 2012 03:38 GMT
#1320
Chris Paul flopped and was mad the ref didn't call his flop.
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