EPTYou could easily get that at the school I went to. Like I said, you would just have to be late many many times. Its not an impossibility by any means. Im just saying its not a laughable proposition.
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Focuspants
Canada780 Posts
You could easily get that at the school I went to. Like I said, you would just have to be late many many times. Its not an impossibility by any means. Im just saying its not a laughable proposition. | ||
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InFdude
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Zaqwe
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From the eyewitness. Man shot and killed in neighborhood altercation "The guy on the bottom, who had a red sweater on, was yelling to me, 'Help! Help!' and I told him to stop, and I was calling 911," said the witness, who asked to be identified only by his first name, John. John said he locked his patio door, ran upstairs and heard at least one gun shot. "And then, when I got upstairs and looked down, the guy who was on the top beating up the other guy, was the one laying in the grass, and I believe he was dead at that point." http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/seminole_news/022712-man-shot-and-killed-in-neighborhood-altercation You seem surprised to hear such an extremely important fact about the case. Perhaps this will be a lesson for you about rushing to judgment. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
EDIT: also there were no eye witnesses. only people who heard screams. that report was false. even the police say so. | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On March 23 2012 04:40 Focuspants wrote: You could easily get that at the school I went to. Like I said, you would just have to be late many many times. Its not an impossibility by any means. Im just saying its not a laughable proposition. strict school. i went to public school and five days away from school meant five days they didnt get government funding. they want you in the classroom, not on the streets or at home. thats why they punish truancy so hard. we also only had one to three days suspensions for fighting. so, five days for tardiness seems a little out there to me. but, i'll admit, its probable, just not likely. | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On March 23 2012 04:42 PrinceXizor wrote: yeah i have friends who have been suspended for tardiness back in high school. it's a legit thing to be suspended for, same with skipping class. it makes no sense logically, but it's done. my friend nash got suspended 7 days for tardiness. it's pretty dumb and entirely determinate on if your school is known for having a drug problem. he got suspended for 7 days for being tardy 12 classes in a month, because our school was having a drug issue at the time and anyone tardy "must" be dealing drugs in bathrooms. EDIT: also there were no eye witnesses. only people who heard screams. that report was false. even the police say so. where do the police say so? i would like to see the source. thanks | ||
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Lockitupv2
United States496 Posts
On March 23 2012 04:40 Focuspants wrote: You could easily get that at the school I went to. Like I said, you would just have to be late many many times. Its not an impossibility by any means. Im just saying its not a laughable proposition. Not at his school, they only get detention for missing school. | ||
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BloodNinja
United States2791 Posts
On March 23 2012 04:31 Zaqwe wrote: Zimmerman was on his back on the ground with Trayvon on top of him beating him. Most states even without stand your ground laws would accept that this is not a position you can retreat from and was justifiable self-defense. Even still, I find it very hard to believe you can claim self-defense after forcefully putting yourself in a dangerous situation "in most states" (as you claim). What you are saying is that if I pick a fight with you and you sudden;y get the upperhand, I am now allowed to kill. | ||
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Focuspants
Canada780 Posts
On March 23 2012 04:42 dAPhREAk wrote: strict school. i went to public school and five days away from school meant five days they didnt get government funding. they want you in the classroom, not on the streets or at home. thats why they punish truancy so hard. we also only had one to three days suspensions for fighting. so, five days for tardiness seems a little out there to me. but, i'll admit, its probable, just not likely. I was in a pretty strict schoolboard. Being caught with drugs was an automatic expulsion, fighting (as the aggressor) was easily a couple weeks at least, most were expelled for that also (obviously depending on the severity of the fight). Uniform infractions and tardiness were definitely the most popular suspensions handed out, and they ranged from 1-7 days, depending on how much of a pain in the ass you had been. I live north of Toronto, and the school is in a middle-upper middle class highly asian populated area. Suspending kids got them sent home, where their parents would discipline the hell out of them. Unlike many cases of parents defending their children even when they are in the wrong, overwhelmingly in my area, children still get harsh discipline. I know I sure as hell wouldnt have wanted to deal with the headache of getting a suspension. Not only that, but it will go on your record and could potentially hurt your university applications. Edit* The above poster made the exact point why I find this case to be a joke. How in the hell can you be legally justified in killing someone you instigated a fight with, because he got the upperhand in the engagement. Unreal. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On March 23 2012 04:46 dAPhREAk wrote: where do the police say so? i would like to see the source. thanks was in an interview in the local news here in orlando. all the reports of eyewitnesses all came before march 18, all the reports of no eye witnesses came after that point. so clearly the most recent, accurate statement is that there were no eyewitnesses. there were only people who heard a single gunshot, cries for help. | ||
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
On March 23 2012 04:26 Zaqwe wrote: Perhaps it would be a good idea to edit the OP to include facts about the case which paint it in a different light. It's very frightening to see how quickly people will jump on a self-righteous bandwagon of hatred against a guy who seems like an upstanding citizen and good neighbor who ended up in a situation where he had to defend himself with lethal force or be beaten to death or shot with his own pistol. I wish people would take more time to use logic and view different perspectives before jumping to a conclusion and howling for blood. This case is reminiscent of the Duke Lacrosse rape hoax that so many people eagerly fell for. Wow those facts really paint this in a much different picture. But I can also see why all the news sites wouldn't put any of that in, being that turns this into a simple case of self defense, and by having the articles the way they are they can get ratings for "writing about great injustice." | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On March 23 2012 04:52 PrinceXizor wrote: was in an interview in the local news here in orlando. all the reports of eyewitnesses all came before march 18, all the reports of no eye witnesses came after that point. so clearly the most recent, accurate statement is that there were no eyewitnesses. there were only people who heard a single gunshot, cries for help. so, the police said there were eyewitnesses, and then the police said there were no eyewitnesses? i would like to see this interview. do you have a link to it? the newspaper article says that the newspaper interviewed the witness, not that the police interviewed the witness. are you saying that the newspaper is lying, or the witness is lying? | ||
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DoubleReed
United States4130 Posts
On March 23 2012 04:41 InFdude wrote: Dind't read through the whole thread or get more info than the original OP but I must say this whole thing looks like too it's making too much of a fuss.I wasn't even going to post but then I saw this video of people protesting for the arrest of Zimmerman.And these are the points I want to make - first off I think you americans are reading way too deep in situations like this regarding the races. The first thing you notice in that protest is that they are all black and demanding punishment.And also people are SO quick to make conclusions. So the authority finds him innocent and your first reaction after reading 1 paragraph of text the information in which is gathered who knows how is "omg if the kid was white bla bla the police are stooopid".Not saying that what Zimmerman did was justified (and not saying it wasn't) but some people are way too fast to judge and asume thingss.Esp the ease with which people asume it's a race thing. No, the authorities did not find him innocent. They didn't charge him at all. The man could have walked up to the guy, shot him into the chest and walked off. The cops didn't even arrest him. What makes it a major issue is how the authorities handled it. | ||
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Zaqwe
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On March 23 2012 04:42 PrinceXizor wrote: yeah i have friends who have been suspended for tardiness back in high school. it's a legit thing to be suspended for, same with skipping class. it makes no sense logically, but it's done. my friend nash got suspended 7 days for tardiness. it's pretty dumb and entirely determinate on if your school is known for having a drug problem. he got suspended for 7 days for being tardy 12 classes in a month, because our school was having a drug issue at the time and anyone tardy "must" be dealing drugs in bathrooms. EDIT: also there were no eye witnesses. only people who heard screams. that report was false. even the police say so. You seem to be misinformed. I have not anywhere heard this claim that the eyewitness interviewed by the local fox affiliate was lying. On the contrary, police have stated that Zimmerman's account of being attacked is corroborated by witnesses. They are probably referring to this witness "John". Sanford Police Speak Out In Trayvon Martin Case - Video http://www.wesh.com/video/30696935/detail.html The police also played the tape for Trayvon's father who confirmed that it was not Trayvon shouting for help. | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On March 23 2012 04:57 DoubleReed wrote: No, the authorities did not find him innocent. They didn't charge him at all. The man could have walked up to the guy, shot him into the chest and walked off. The cops didn't even arrest him. What makes it a major issue is how the authorities handled it. well, to be fair, the police didn't find probable cause to arrest him because there was no evidence that his self defense claim was false. probable cause is requisite to any lawful arrest. we'll see what the grand jury says though. | ||
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Wrongspeedy
United States1655 Posts
On March 23 2012 04:31 Zaqwe wrote: Zimmerman was on his back on the ground with Trayvon on top of him beating him. Most states even without stand your ground laws would accept that this is not a position you can retreat from and was justifiable self-defense. What if Tray thought he was defending himself? This is the exact reason why the dispatcher should have made it clear for Zimmerman to not follow. Misunderstandings happen because people do stupid shit. | ||
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
On March 23 2012 05:04 Wrongspeedy wrote: What if Tray thought he was defending himself? This is the exact reason why the dispatcher should have made it clear for Zimmerman to not follow. Misunderstandings happen because people do stupid shit. When you're defending yourself and have the other guy on the ground on his back and you're on top, you normally stop punching them when they're screaming for help. And as the facts that the news articles skipped over show, it was zimmerman that was yelling for help, not the other guy. | ||
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lwwkicker
United States140 Posts
On March 23 2012 04:31 Zaqwe wrote: Zimmerman was on his back on the ground with Trayvon on top of him beating him. Most states even without stand your ground laws would accept that this is not a position you can retreat from and was justifiable self-defense. Edit: I found where the claim was from. Still hard to believe. Zimmerman would be able to retreat from that position. There is NO claim of self defense that warrants shooting the boy. None. Period. He was unarmed. "In Runyan, the court stated "When a person, being without fault, is in a place where he has a right to be, is violently assaulted, he may, without retreating, repel by force, and if, in the reasonable exercise of his right of self defense, his assailant is killed, he is justiciable." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-defense_(United_States) | ||
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