On March 23 2012 05:22 PrinceXizor wrote: well, he could have not got out of his car. not followed martin when told not to by 911. Alot of things. also pretty much no one in FL believes the zimmerman was being beat up story. though an autopsy results could clearly prove this. since the bullet would have has to enter from below the heart in order to kill him. if he was shot in ANY other manner, then the men were standing or zimmerman was on top. note that everything happened within 1 minute. since the 4 minute phonecall w/ his girlfriend cut out 1 minute before the police arrived and no gunshot was on that call. Had zimmerman remained in his car for 1 more minute, martin would be alive.
zimmerman certainly put himself in a stupid position. however, he felt it was his job (stupidly or not) to patrol the neighborhood, he didn't know this kid, he thought the kid was suspicious and he followed him. probably not the brightest thing to do. this doesnt mean he didnt act in self defense.
also, if FL doesn't believe the "being beat up story," how do they explain the blood and grass stains? i guess he could have slipped and fell (on both his front and back).
so when i move to florida, im gonna carry a gun with me and follow whoever i please and then if i get into a confrontation, ill just shoot the guy and claim self defense.
that's essentially what everyone who is coming to this idiot's defense is condoning.
nobody is coming to his defense. everyone who has "defended" him is only pointing out that all the facts aren't known and people shouldn't rush to judgment. the fact that people take it to such extremes ("im going to buy a gun and go to florida") just seems foolish to me.
you dont get to do whatever you want to do. you have to show reasonableness. self defense is not a "i said i was justified, thus i win" defense. you have to prove it to a jury and they have to agree with you. other people have claimed self defense under this Florida law and fucking lost and went to prison.
On March 23 2012 05:32 jinorazi wrote: why does what happened matter?
zimmerman picked a fight out of suspicion and led to this incident. dispatch told him not to pursue, but he did. if i was martin, i would feel threatened by some guy following me and questioning my own business. martin could have been defending himself, but zimmerman was the one with the gun which he used to kill martin in his own self defense.
zimmerman picked a fight out of suspicion and lead it to the death of an innocent person.
i could easily drive into bad area looking for drug dealers, pick on him for selling drugs and shoot him when i feel threatened for self-defense. the problem is that it seems the law protects such behavior when it shouldnt.
Why does what happened matter? Because a KID who did NOTHING wrong is fucking DEAD. You see senseless death/murder and you just shrug it off? Wow, that's fucking cold.
lol obviously only read the first line and not the rest of the post
good job man
hes saying why does the law protect people who do this stuff
On March 22 2012 20:40 MadNeSs wrote: I dont get this, how can coming at someone, who is unarmed, and you are armed EVER be considered selfdefense? I dont get it, something is really wrong with America, this would never be seen as selfdefense in any other country, or they would atleast put the guy into costety (yes I spell like shit) while they investigated they crime. I mean he is carrying a gun, and they other guy is unarmed, doesnt even have a knife or anything, how the fuck can this be justified!?
in most states you have to make an attempt to retreat but be prevented from doing so in order for self defense to be claimed. florida's stand your grand law allows you to skip the attempt at retreat if you feel you are in mortal danger.
Zimmerman was on his back on the ground with Trayvon on top of him beating him.
Most states even without stand your ground laws would accept that this is not a position you can retreat from and was justifiable self-defense.
Yes, please. Tell us where the hell this came from. Also, Zimmerman is literally twice his size. Even if your claim is based on fact, Zimmerman would be able to retreat from that position. There is NO claim of self defense that warrants shooting the boy. None. Period. He was unarmed.
"In Runyan, the court stated "When a person, being without fault, is in a place where he has a right to be, is violently assaulted, he may, without retreating, repel by force, and if, in the reasonable exercise of his right of self defense, his assailant is killed, he is justiciable."
he posted the source previously. how is zimmerman supposed to retreat when he is on the ground being punched by someone on top of him?
edit: i love your citation to an 1877 case to support your argument. you do realize that the applicable law was implemented in 2005.
Simple. It's called precedence, the foundation of the American legal system.
actually its not precedent. its an Indiana Supreme Court case (Runyan v. State (1877) 57 Ind. 80, 20 Am.Rep. 52), which doesn't apply in Florida. oops.
Just because the case is from another state doesn't mean it doesn't set a precedent. Do you know what a precedent is? You think lawyers don't quote decisions from previous trials in other states from other periods in time? 'oops'
im a lawyer. so, i find your knowledge of precedents quite amusing. the fact that you called it "precedence" was the best part.
Are you a good lawyer? I assume (and hope) you are an American living in Japan, or at least intimately familiar with the American legal system.
Maybe I was unclear with general precedence. I never meant to claim binding precedence.
On March 23 2012 05:22 PrinceXizor wrote: well, he could have not got out of his car. not followed martin when told not to by 911. Alot of things. also pretty much no one in FL believes the zimmerman was being beat up story. though an autopsy results could clearly prove this. since the bullet would have has to enter from below the heart in order to kill him. if he was shot in ANY other manner, then the men were standing or zimmerman was on top. note that everything happened within 1 minute. since the 4 minute phonecall w/ his girlfriend cut out 1 minute before the police arrived and no gunshot was on that call. Had zimmerman remained in his car for 1 more minute, martin would be alive.
zimmerman certainly put himself in a stupid position. however, he felt it was his job (stupidly or not) to patrol the neighborhood, he didn't know this kid, he thought the kid was suspicious and he followed him. probably not the brightest thing to do. this doesnt mean he didnt act in self defense.
also, if FL doesn't believe the "being beat up story," how do they explain the blood and grass stains? i guess he could have slipped and fell (on both his front and back).
so when i move to florida, im gonna carry a gun with me and follow whoever i please and then if i get into a confrontation, ill just shoot the guy and claim self defense.
that's essentially what everyone who is coming to this idiot's defense is condoning.
nobody is coming to his defense. everyone who has "defended" him is only pointing out that all the facts aren't known and people shouldn't rush to judgment. the fact that people take it to such extremes ("im going to buy a gun and go to florida") just seems foolish to me.
you dont get to do whatever you want to do. you have to show reasonableness. self defense is not a "i said i was justified, thus i win" defense. you have to prove it to a jury and they have to agree with you. other people have claimed self defense under this Florida law and fucking lost and went to prison.
seems to me that once the police got the "this was self defense" argument from this guy and he got off quite easily. not arrested or anything
On March 23 2012 05:32 jinorazi wrote: why does what happened matter?
zimmerman picked a fight out of suspicion and led to this incident. dispatch told him not to pursue, but he did. if i was martin, i would feel threatened by some guy following me and questioning my own business. martin could have been defending himself, but zimmerman was the one with the gun which he used to kill martin in his own self defense.
zimmerman picked a fight out of suspicion and lead it to the death of an innocent person.
i could easily drive into bad area looking for drug dealers, pick on him for selling drugs and shoot him when i feel threatened for self-defense. the problem is that it seems the law protects such behavior when it shouldnt.
Edit: I've calmed down some. This whole thing has me heated up, obviously. I DID read the whole post, more than once. And even after reading it... Whatever, I missed something. My bad. This whole thing is just so fucked up and sad.
On March 22 2012 20:40 MadNeSs wrote: I dont get this, how can coming at someone, who is unarmed, and you are armed EVER be considered selfdefense? I dont get it, something is really wrong with America, this would never be seen as selfdefense in any other country, or they would atleast put the guy into costety (yes I spell like shit) while they investigated they crime. I mean he is carrying a gun, and they other guy is unarmed, doesnt even have a knife or anything, how the fuck can this be justified!?
in most states you have to make an attempt to retreat but be prevented from doing so in order for self defense to be claimed. florida's stand your grand law allows you to skip the attempt at retreat if you feel you are in mortal danger.
Zimmerman was on his back on the ground with Trayvon on top of him beating him.
Most states even without stand your ground laws would accept that this is not a position you can retreat from and was justifiable self-defense.
Yes, please. Tell us where the hell this came from. Also, Zimmerman is literally twice his size. Even if your claim is based on fact, Zimmerman would be able to retreat from that position. There is NO claim of self defense that warrants shooting the boy. None. Period. He was unarmed.
"In Runyan, the court stated "When a person, being without fault, is in a place where he has a right to be, is violently assaulted, he may, without retreating, repel by force, and if, in the reasonable exercise of his right of self defense, his assailant is killed, he is justiciable."
he posted the source previously. how is zimmerman supposed to retreat when he is on the ground being punched by someone on top of him?
edit: i love your citation to an 1877 case to support your argument. you do realize that the applicable law was implemented in 2005.
Simple. It's called precedence, the foundation of the American legal system.
actually its not precedent. its an Indiana Supreme Court case (Runyan v. State (1877) 57 Ind. 80, 20 Am.Rep. 52), which doesn't apply in Florida. oops.
Just because the case is from another state doesn't mean it doesn't set a precedent. Do you know what a precedent is? You think lawyers don't quote decisions from previous trials in other states from other periods in time? 'oops'
im a lawyer. so, i find your knowledge of precedents quite amusing. the fact that you called it "precedence" was the best part.
Are you a good lawyer? I assume (and hope) you are an American living in Japan, or at least intimately familiar with the American legal system.
Maybe I was unclear with general precedence. I never meant to claim binding precedence.
im a California lawyer living in California. nobody cites to an 1877 case to support a law that was implemented in 2005. its no precedent for anything (binding or not). only a historian would refer to it.
On March 23 2012 05:32 jinorazi wrote: why does what happened matter?
zimmerman picked a fight out of suspicion and led to this incident. dispatch told him not to pursue, but he did. if i was martin, i would feel threatened by some guy following me and questioning my own business. martin could have been defending himself, but zimmerman was the one with the gun which he used to kill martin in his own self defense.
zimmerman picked a fight out of suspicion and lead it to the death of an innocent person.
i could easily drive into bad area looking for drug dealers, pick on him for selling drugs and shoot him when i feel threatened for self-defense. the problem is that it seems the law protects such behavior when it shouldnt.
Edit: I've calmed down some. This whole thing has me heated up, obviously. I DID read the whole post, more than once. And even after reading it... Whatever, I missed something. My bad. This whole thing is just so fucked up and sad.
Lol aren't you both argueing the same side?
Probably. I need to come back in a hour when my blood isn't boiling over this whole incident. I just want some justice for this poor kid and their family.
On March 23 2012 05:22 PrinceXizor wrote: well, he could have not got out of his car. not followed martin when told not to by 911. Alot of things. also pretty much no one in FL believes the zimmerman was being beat up story. though an autopsy results could clearly prove this. since the bullet would have has to enter from below the heart in order to kill him. if he was shot in ANY other manner, then the men were standing or zimmerman was on top. note that everything happened within 1 minute. since the 4 minute phonecall w/ his girlfriend cut out 1 minute before the police arrived and no gunshot was on that call. Had zimmerman remained in his car for 1 more minute, martin would be alive.
zimmerman certainly put himself in a stupid position. however, he felt it was his job (stupidly or not) to patrol the neighborhood, he didn't know this kid, he thought the kid was suspicious and he followed him. probably not the brightest thing to do. this doesnt mean he didnt act in self defense.
also, if FL doesn't believe the "being beat up story," how do they explain the blood and grass stains? i guess he could have slipped and fell (on both his front and back).
so when i move to florida, im gonna carry a gun with me and follow whoever i please and then if i get into a confrontation, ill just shoot the guy and claim self defense.
that's essentially what everyone who is coming to this idiot's defense is condoning.
nobody is coming to his defense. everyone who has "defended" him is only pointing out that all the facts aren't known and people shouldn't rush to judgment. the fact that people take it to such extremes ("im going to buy a gun and go to florida") just seems foolish to me.
you dont get to do whatever you want to do. you have to show reasonableness. self defense is not a "i said i was justified, thus i win" defense. you have to prove it to a jury and they have to agree with you. other people have claimed self defense under this Florida law and fucking lost and went to prison.
seems to me that once the police got the "this was self defense" argument from this guy and he got off quite easily. not arrested or anything
damn those constitutional protections that require you to get probable cause before you arrest someone! maybe they screwed up the investigation, i dont know. but the grand jury will determine whether he should be indicted.
On March 23 2012 05:22 PrinceXizor wrote: well, he could have not got out of his car. not followed martin when told not to by 911. Alot of things. also pretty much no one in FL believes the zimmerman was being beat up story. though an autopsy results could clearly prove this. since the bullet would have has to enter from below the heart in order to kill him. if he was shot in ANY other manner, then the men were standing or zimmerman was on top. note that everything happened within 1 minute. since the 4 minute phonecall w/ his girlfriend cut out 1 minute before the police arrived and no gunshot was on that call. Had zimmerman remained in his car for 1 more minute, martin would be alive.
zimmerman certainly put himself in a stupid position. however, he felt it was his job (stupidly or not) to patrol the neighborhood, he didn't know this kid, he thought the kid was suspicious and he followed him. probably not the brightest thing to do. this doesnt mean he didnt act in self defense.
also, if FL doesn't believe the "being beat up story," how do they explain the blood and grass stains? i guess he could have slipped and fell (on both his front and back).
so when i move to florida, im gonna carry a gun with me and follow whoever i please and then if i get into a confrontation, ill just shoot the guy and claim self defense.
that's essentially what everyone who is coming to this idiot's defense is condoning.
nobody is coming to his defense. everyone who has "defended" him is only pointing out that all the facts aren't known and people shouldn't rush to judgment. the fact that people take it to such extremes ("im going to buy a gun and go to florida") just seems foolish to me.
you dont get to do whatever you want to do. you have to show reasonableness. self defense is not a "i said i was justified, thus i win" defense. you have to prove it to a jury and they have to agree with you. other people have claimed self defense under this Florida law and fucking lost and went to prison.
seems to me that once the police got the "this was self defense" argument from this guy and he got off quite easily. not arrested or anything
the main issue is the police didn't investigate until much later, after public outcry, the police handled everything completely incorrectly. which is why there is so much doubt in this case anyway. autopsy results will show what angle the bullet entered, which will show the positioning of the two men, ANY downward motion of the bullet will imply that martin was not on top of zimmerman, unless zimmerman lifted up his arm above martin with the gun and fired down towards himself, which is rediculous to assume or even claim. drug test on zimmerman determines if he was incapable legally to make a stand your ground decision (intoxicated). blood samples determine if zimmerman was bleeding at all, there seems to be no mention of ANY injuries on him at all. just alot of shoddy police work. stand your ground isn't a constitutional law, you do have to investigate it. even if you do not arrest.
On March 23 2012 05:22 PrinceXizor wrote: well, he could have not got out of his car. not followed martin when told not to by 911. Alot of things. also pretty much no one in FL believes the zimmerman was being beat up story. though an autopsy results could clearly prove this. since the bullet would have has to enter from below the heart in order to kill him. if he was shot in ANY other manner, then the men were standing or zimmerman was on top. note that everything happened within 1 minute. since the 4 minute phonecall w/ his girlfriend cut out 1 minute before the police arrived and no gunshot was on that call. Had zimmerman remained in his car for 1 more minute, martin would be alive.
zimmerman certainly put himself in a stupid position. however, he felt it was his job (stupidly or not) to patrol the neighborhood, he didn't know this kid, he thought the kid was suspicious and he followed him. probably not the brightest thing to do. this doesnt mean he didnt act in self defense.
also, if FL doesn't believe the "being beat up story," how do they explain the blood and grass stains? i guess he could have slipped and fell (on both his front and back).
unfortunately under florida law, zimmerman pursuing martin removes his ability to claim stand your ground. it's in the law. so even if he was just following with his own sense of right and wrong, if martin turned and attacked him after zimmerman got out of his car with a loaded weapon, the stand your ground law points to martin being in the right and zimmerman in the wrong. If you are attacked performing a malicious act (like stalking) you cannot claim self defense. That's the whole point. the police shouldn't have arrested zimmerman on the spot, but after hearing the 911 call, he can no longer claim self defense under florida law, Unless martin was armed with a deadly weapon. Thats just the pure fact of the law he is using to defend himself. no weapon was found on martin, therefore no self defense claim can be made, regardless of circumstance. and also keep in mind deadly weapon has a surprisingly loose definition in FL. it's not just obvious weapons. if martin got into a car, or grabbed any bit of plywood or something laying around, thats a deadly weapon in the state of florida. a can of tea and skittles, are not. there was a case in jacksonville a few years back (near where i grew up) that a man was shot because he threw a full can of soda at another person at a sporting event, it was rules that it was NOT a deadly weapon and he was not able to use stand your ground. The reason FL doesn't buy the story, is we know our laws better than outsiders, and regardless of the situation, he was in the wrong doing what he did. Even pulling out his gun in FL is a violation punishable by 2 years.Firing a gun in a residential area is another penalty with 2 years, aiming at a person is 5 and hittin someone is 10. these are minimum sentences. the police must automatically charge him with these charges, even if they are later dropped due to stand your ground, which the police would find faulty due to the 911 call. he may not get murder, but he'll get gun violations for sure. the police didn't even check the gun registration at the time, thats a serious flaw in the PD. the head of the sanford PD stepped down recently because the city council showed no confidence in his abilities to handle his duties correctly.
holy block of text batman.
pursuing martin does not remove his ability to claim self defense. i quoted the jury instruction previously in this thread. even if you are the initial aggressor, you can rely on self defense where the other party ups the ante basically. this is severely limited, but it exists. the fact that he had a gun and the kid didn't doesnt mean he cant claim self defense.
fuck it. im done there. there is just so much wrong about your post. you make too many assumptions and you claim to know the law but its clear you havent actually read the law.
While some people are claiming that it was Zimmerman who was crying for help, there are some witnesses who claim it was Martin's voice. And the father went on Anderson Cooper 360 where he says he is positive it is his son on the tapes.
Interview with the Father on AC360:
3:45 "I'm sure that that's his voice. I'm positive that's his voice"
Interviews with witnesses who claim the crying for help was from a child and stopped immediately after the gunshot, and came outside to see Zimmerman straddled on top of the deceased Martin. Weshtv interview:
AC 360 interview:
The reporter in the wesh interview reported "[The Martin family attorney says] if the Sanford police department continues to say that one of the witness's statements were inconsistent, he will assist in filing a complaint against the department involving witness tampering, obstruction of justices, and witness intimidation"
Inconsistencies have abounded everywhere in the various reports of this emotionally charged story, but such an accusatory complaint against the department is no small charge. Unclear where this might go still, but it's interesting nonetheless.
On March 23 2012 05:22 PrinceXizor wrote: well, he could have not got out of his car. not followed martin when told not to by 911. Alot of things. also pretty much no one in FL believes the zimmerman was being beat up story. though an autopsy results could clearly prove this. since the bullet would have has to enter from below the heart in order to kill him. if he was shot in ANY other manner, then the men were standing or zimmerman was on top. note that everything happened within 1 minute. since the 4 minute phonecall w/ his girlfriend cut out 1 minute before the police arrived and no gunshot was on that call. Had zimmerman remained in his car for 1 more minute, martin would be alive. besides how it's possible a <160 pound 17 year old could take down a sober 250 pound man is beyond me. either zimmerman was drunk, and thus at fault and committing a crime, or it never happened.
I don't understand why people keep claiming that being fat and out of shape is somehow advantageous if you get into a physical altercation.
In UFC 8 David vs. Goliath, for example, the heavy fighters were defeated in the first round by men half their weight.
Don Frye (210 lbs) > Thomas Ramirez (410 lbs) Jerry Bohlander (199 lbs) > Scott Ferrozzo (323 lbs)
da phreak, lol, give it a rest at this point if it upsets you. i just scanned through here from page 6 (my last page i checked) and on to the end, and i notice that you are on like every single one of the 31 pages, multiple times. Sheesh mang, that's enough to give anyone some stress
On March 23 2012 05:22 PrinceXizor wrote: well, he could have not got out of his car. not followed martin when told not to by 911. Alot of things. also pretty much no one in FL believes the zimmerman was being beat up story. though an autopsy results could clearly prove this. since the bullet would have has to enter from below the heart in order to kill him. if he was shot in ANY other manner, then the men were standing or zimmerman was on top. note that everything happened within 1 minute. since the 4 minute phonecall w/ his girlfriend cut out 1 minute before the police arrived and no gunshot was on that call. Had zimmerman remained in his car for 1 more minute, martin would be alive. besides how it's possible a <160 pound 17 year old could take down a sober 250 pound man is beyond me. either zimmerman was drunk, and thus at fault and committing a crime, or it never happened.
I don't understand why people keep claiming that being fat and out of shape is somehow advantageous if you get into a physical altercation.
In UFC 8 David vs. Goliath, for example, the heavy fighters were defeated in the first round by men half their weight.
Don Frye (210 lbs) > Thomas Ramirez (410 lbs) Jerry Bohlander (199 lbs) > Scott Ferrozzo (323 lbs)
These people are professional fighters... How does that have anything to do with this? There might be some parallels, but in the end, the comparison is highly flawed.
On March 23 2012 05:22 PrinceXizor wrote: well, he could have not got out of his car. not followed martin when told not to by 911. Alot of things. also pretty much no one in FL believes the zimmerman was being beat up story. though an autopsy results could clearly prove this. since the bullet would have has to enter from below the heart in order to kill him. if he was shot in ANY other manner, then the men were standing or zimmerman was on top. note that everything happened within 1 minute. since the 4 minute phonecall w/ his girlfriend cut out 1 minute before the police arrived and no gunshot was on that call. Had zimmerman remained in his car for 1 more minute, martin would be alive. besides how it's possible a <160 pound 17 year old could take down a sober 250 pound man is beyond me. either zimmerman was drunk, and thus at fault and committing a crime, or it never happened.
I don't understand why people keep claiming that being fat and out of shape is somehow advantageous if you get into a physical altercation.
In UFC 8 David vs. Goliath, for example, the heavy fighters were defeated in the first round by men half their weight.
Don Frye (210 lbs) > Thomas Ramirez (410 lbs) Jerry Bohlander (199 lbs) > Scott Ferrozzo (323 lbs)
On March 23 2012 05:22 PrinceXizor wrote: well, he could have not got out of his car. not followed martin when told not to by 911. Alot of things. also pretty much no one in FL believes the zimmerman was being beat up story. though an autopsy results could clearly prove this. since the bullet would have has to enter from below the heart in order to kill him. if he was shot in ANY other manner, then the men were standing or zimmerman was on top. note that everything happened within 1 minute. since the 4 minute phonecall w/ his girlfriend cut out 1 minute before the police arrived and no gunshot was on that call. Had zimmerman remained in his car for 1 more minute, martin would be alive. besides how it's possible a <160 pound 17 year old could take down a sober 250 pound man is beyond me. either zimmerman was drunk, and thus at fault and committing a crime, or it never happened.
I don't understand why people keep claiming that being fat and out of shape is somehow advantageous if you get into a physical altercation.
In UFC 8 David vs. Goliath, for example, the heavy fighters were defeated in the first round by men half their weight.
Don Frye (210 lbs) > Thomas Ramirez (410 lbs) Jerry Bohlander (199 lbs) > Scott Ferrozzo (323 lbs)
i dont get it, how people can even argue about who is defending here. I think it's quite plain and simple, Zimmerman was the one who didn't listen to his orders to follow, but he ignored it. You will never see a real policeman act like Zimmerman acted. Normally they will walk up to the guy, or yell at him to get his attention, and start a conversation about what is going on, or put him on the ground while aiming at him, if they think it's necessary.
If i were Trayvon, and i saw some guy following me, who is clearly not a Police officer, i would be scared aswell, or just turn around and ask wtf is going on.
It doesnt even really matter how the fight was happening, if Treyvon was punching him while Zimmerman was laying on the ground. Because Zimmerman didnt listen to the orders he got, and he should know that following someone isn't the right thing to do, when you don't know what you are doing.
and YES, Trayvon could have been someone totally different, but he wasnt, he was just kid, who had done nothing wrong.
All the blame here, is for Zimmerman, because he didnt listen to the orders he got, and Ruined the LIFE of a KID and the whole FAMILLY!
people who think Zimmerman was doing the good thing, or are saying that he shouldnt be Prosecuted for murder, are just insane, and got no heart whatsoever....
On March 23 2012 05:53 FallDownMarigold wrote: da phreak, lol, give it a rest at this point if it upsets you. i just scanned through here from page 6 (my last page i checked) and on to the end, and i notice that you are on like every single one of the 31 pages, multiple times. Sheesh mang, that's enough to give anyone some stress
He is passionate about Law. Nothing wrong with that, I'm sure he knows when he needs to stop for his own good.
On March 23 2012 05:58 dAPhREAk wrote: The Florida Police Department has done a Q&A session to address some of the issues:
I still don't get why they didn't question him even more, take his blood tests (even though they say they collected evidence). If he was bloodied why not take his blood for a test. His story is okay (personal errand lolz) but it seems weird that he says he was going back to his truck when he was attacked. How far did he go from his truck? Where did he get attacked on his way back? He doesn't have a warrant and shouldn't be chasing people through other peoples backyards (if thats the case).
Its just sad that he can use self defense, when if it had gone the other way (Tray killed Zimmerman with his barehands). I think it would be pretty reasonable to say that Tray was defending himself as well.
On March 23 2012 05:53 FallDownMarigold wrote: da phreak, lol, give it a rest at this point if it upsets you. i just scanned through here from page 6 (my last page i checked) and on to the end, and i notice that you are on like every single one of the 31 pages, multiple times. Sheesh mang, that's enough to give anyone some stress
He is passionate about Law. Nothing wrong with that, I'm sure he knows when he needs to stop for his own good.
unfortunately, it is usually when big red letters say "User Has Been Temp-Banned For This Post" at the bottom of one of my posts. ;-)
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