To me, Zimmerman looks guilty.
I heard the tapes, and its no way that is Zimmerman screaming for help!
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Atoissen
Norway1737 Posts
To me, Zimmerman looks guilty. I heard the tapes, and its no way that is Zimmerman screaming for help! | ||
BallinWitStalin
1177 Posts
On March 22 2012 22:31 CaptainCrush wrote: Show nested quote + On March 22 2012 20:42 DoubleReed wrote: Are people just asking whether or not he's guilty? Because there's the more serious issue that the police did not even arrest this man. That's what made this so ridiculous. That's what made words like 'racist' get thrown around. I mean if this was a black guy or shot a teenage white guy in the chest someone would probably have been immediately arrested. There is a fair amount of mystery on both sides here. I think that Zimmerman should be held right now, but I'm not fully convinced that he is guilty of a crime. What was that kid doing going towards him with his hands in his pockets? Then why did he run? It doesnt sound to me like Zimmerman should have shot him, I think he could have overpowered him with his physicality alone but I dont think this was a "murder". Manslaughter maybe, but I still dont know about this kids intentions. I saw his parents and his lawyer on tv the other day too, not the classiest individuals. That in no way means he should have been shot but he may very well have been associated with the burlaries that Zimmerman was talking about. This is not racisim either, Zimmerman comes from a multicultural family himself and looks hispanic. Uh no. This actually doesn't have a lot of mystery. Listen to the audio tapes. Zimmerman is following the kid and the kid is noticing a random guy following him. The kid may have tried to confront him, but Zimmerman was not supposed to be stalking a random teenager in the first place. You do hear in the audio that Zimmerman says "fucking coons" right? I suppose he could have been brushing off some raccoons off a dumpster or something. But what exactly about the kid made him look 'suspicious'? It doesn't really sound like Zimmerman had a lot of reason to worry. Hispanics can be racist. That's an absolutely ridiculous thing to say. When I said the thing about being multicultural, I meant that he supposedly has black family members in addition to being hispanic... I guess I should have known to clarify with all the ignorance abound in this thread. The coon part is doctored too, I have heard the tapes. Dunno why anymore, but I'm always shocked by how so many people take one side or the other and then become absurdly angry at the opposing side whenever someone posts something contradictory to what they already believe happened. Really? You're gonna throw that out there? You clearly have so much credibility.... | ||
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Canada85 Posts
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ShoCkeyy
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aebriol
Norway2066 Posts
On March 22 2012 08:52 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: If he is acquitted I easily expect there to be riots as it was murder plain and simple. Yep. Clear murder. Sad if he gets away with it. Basically it means you can kill anyone and claim self defense as long as there are no witnesses. | ||
ShoCkeyy
7815 Posts
On March 23 2012 00:56 Coal wrote: This is just sickening.. I didn't watch the videos because I wouldn't be able to hear the screams of an innocent man pleading for his life without feeling sick myself.. seriously what the fuck were they thinking when they passed that law regarding selfdefense? -_- Though the major problem here still seems to be that any one can buy/carry a gun -_ - RIP The problem with this, is the fact that he claimed self defense when in fact it wasn't. The cops didn't do shit, because they didn't feel like it. Self Defense is only when some one is coming after you and you have no other choice, but this guy CLEARLY did have another choice. He's the one running after the kid and chased him down. The police operator even tells the guy to not do it and yet he still chased the kid down and killed him. Also, the kid didn't have shit on him, only a can of Arizona Ice Tea and Skittles. I didn't know you can kill some one with either or. | ||
BlackJack
United States10180 Posts
So now all the leftist websites are saying Beck is "smearing" Trayvon and that Beck is accusing Trayvon of being a dangerous delinquent. /facepalm. It's the media's job to ask questions and get answers, but instead they are choosing to NOT do that and isntead criticize the people that do. Trayvon's suspension is at least slightly relevant here, just as Zimmerman's previous arrest is relevant. His parents refuse to say what he was suspended for and it seems nobody in the media cares to press the issue. | ||
DoubleReed
United States4130 Posts
On March 23 2012 00:33 Poltergeist- wrote: I am just confused how the athletic(?) younger man couldn't outrun a 250 pound gorilla...if he was actually trying to get away. From the tapes it sounded like they were just walking quickly. It's not like there was a fast chase or something. It sounded like Zimmerman was just tailing and staring at the kid and he was like "why the hell is this guy following me?" | ||
Sermokala
United States13735 Posts
On March 23 2012 01:38 BlackJack wrote: One of Glenn Beck's sites ran a story about Trayvon's suspension (he was suspended from school at the time of the killing). Sites have said that he was suspended for tardiness, but Beck's site shows that it's not school policy to suspend students over tardiness, instead they would get detention. So Beck's site listed all of the possible things you could be suspended over. The list was pretty long and included everything, from arson to homicide. So now all the leftist websites are saying Beck is "smearing" Trayvon and that Beck is accusing Trayvon of being a dangerous delinquent. /facepalm. It's the media's job to ask questions and get answers, but instead they are choosing to NOT do that and isntead criticize the people that do. Trayvon's suspension is at least slightly relevant here, just as Zimmerman's previous arrest is relevant. His parents refuse to say what he was suspended for and it seems nobody in the media cares to press the issue. Its a pretty bad world when glen beck is the guy who actually has his facts straight. The whole situation is a big wash and its being generalized like its a simple raciest white guy shooting some black kid. shame that the color of your skin decides how you get treated in the court of public opinion. | ||
dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On March 23 2012 02:15 Sermokala wrote: Show nested quote + On March 23 2012 01:38 BlackJack wrote: One of Glenn Beck's sites ran a story about Trayvon's suspension (he was suspended from school at the time of the killing). Sites have said that he was suspended for tardiness, but Beck's site shows that it's not school policy to suspend students over tardiness, instead they would get detention. So Beck's site listed all of the possible things you could be suspended over. The list was pretty long and included everything, from arson to homicide. So now all the leftist websites are saying Beck is "smearing" Trayvon and that Beck is accusing Trayvon of being a dangerous delinquent. /facepalm. It's the media's job to ask questions and get answers, but instead they are choosing to NOT do that and isntead criticize the people that do. Trayvon's suspension is at least slightly relevant here, just as Zimmerman's previous arrest is relevant. His parents refuse to say what he was suspended for and it seems nobody in the media cares to press the issue. Its a pretty bad world when glen beck is the guy who actually has his facts straight. The whole situation is a big wash and its being generalized like its a simple raciest white guy shooting some black kid. shame that the color of your skin decides how you get treated in the court of public opinion. zimmerman isnt white, he is hispanic. http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2012/03/22/trayvon-martin-parents-speak-at-rally-in-new-york-city/ | ||
Figgy
Canada1788 Posts
On March 22 2012 08:50 GreenHorizons wrote: harges because Zimmerman was a criminal justice student with a "squeaky clean" record? It wasn't strictly true. In 2005, Zimmerman was arrested for resisting arrest with violence and battery on a law enforcement officer, although those charges were dropped. Well, for a moment I'm going to just focus on this. Dropped charges should NEVER be held against someone for any reason unless you personally know the facts of the case. Innocent people get charged for things all the time (with no fault of the suspect or the police), wrong place wrong time incidents happen very frequently. | ||
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Caloooomi
Scotland188 Posts
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dAPhREAk
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Wrongspeedy
United States1655 Posts
On March 23 2012 02:58 dAPhREAk wrote: so, i have been searching around looking for the autopsy report (which apparently was done), but cant find anything. anyone have any luck finding it? i am curious to see where the bullet entered the body. it may shed some more light on what happened. shot in the back - kid was fleeing from shooter; shot at a downward angle - kid was below zimmerman; shot at close range (powder burns) - could be part of a struggle; etc. Probably not the best source but http://conservativejock.wordpress.com/2012/03/21/trayvon-martin-autopsy-report/ He doesn't have it yet, but apparently he asked for a copy and will post it online as soon as he gets it. That was a post from yesterday. | ||
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