EPT[D] Insight into the "Sc2 vs LoL" e-sport debate - Page 5
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Canadaehz
Canada59 Posts
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LlamaNamedOsama
United States1900 Posts
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Orracle
United States314 Posts
On March 15 2012 05:20 Canadaehz wrote: One thing SC2 has over LoL is in terms of sponsors and Independence. People are able to host tournaments with no monetary help from Blizzard where I have heard that Riot is basically the biggest sponsor of almost every tournament. SC2 has more sustainability until LoL can hold it's own and receive sponsors not including Riot. Riot is the main contributer due to the insane prizepools. IIRC, they hosted a million dollar LOL tournament last year. | ||
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branflakes14
2082 Posts
On March 15 2012 05:20 Canadaehz wrote: One thing SC2 has over LoL is in terms of sponsors and Independence. People are able to host tournaments with no monetary help from Blizzard where I have heard that Riot is basically the biggest sponsor of almost every tournament. SC2 has more sustainability until LoL can hold it's own and receive sponsors not including Riot. Saying Starcraft 2 has independence over League of Legends is iffy when you consider that any decent sized Starcraft 2 tournament has to answer to Blizzard. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On March 15 2012 05:17 Orracle wrote: Thank you! Your definition includes everything that DOTA, etc(at high levels require). So would you say it requires an equal or greater degree of those specific skills than an FPS game? I'm sure that clicking on characters that move slow as hell must be as difficult as hitting a target the size of a few pixels in CS with reaction time being measured in milliseconds. | ||
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Orracle
United States314 Posts
On March 15 2012 05:23 Talin wrote: So would you say it requires an equal or greater degree of those specific skills than an FPS game? I'm sure that clicking on characters that move slow as hell must be as difficult as hitting a target the size of a few pixels in CS with reaction time being measured in milliseconds. You're correct, in the sense that it doesn't require AS much as a FPS. But if you want to base it off of that, how could you consider SC2 an esport? BW takes much more multitasking/skill. | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On March 15 2012 05:25 Orracle wrote: You're correct, in the sense that it doesn't require AS much as a FPS. But if you want to base it off of that, how could you consider SC2 an esport? BW takes much more multitasking/skill. I do agree with that comparison. But when given a choice between any two games, I'd rather focus (and want the industry to focus) on the one with a higher degree of physical and mechanical skill as a matter of principle. That said, like I said in the other thread, on a personal level I actually don't mind my favorite game taking a back seat in popularity at all. Popularity carries a lot of things I end up disliking about the community and the scene. | ||
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SupLilSon
Malaysia4123 Posts
On March 15 2012 05:27 dAPhREAk wrote: this is devolving into fps vs sc2 vs sc:bw vs LoL. is there no esport that is safe? Flash laughs at all of us equally as hard. | ||
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Kazeyonoma
United States2912 Posts
On March 15 2012 05:27 dAPhREAk wrote: this is devolving into fps vs sc2 vs sc:bw vs LoL. is there no esport that is safe? I could bring in the FGC community and draw parallels to the angry mob mentality that they have and why it's hard for them to be taken seriously from a sponsor standpoint which is something LoL is having right now. But, lets not go there... =P | ||
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TALegion
United States1187 Posts
Truthfully, that point about the business and community of LoL is what kills it for me. I can understand casual games being enjoyable and applealing to a larger audience, sure. That's natural. I can understand the idea of teamwork vs. Individual skill (though I do tend to recognize individual skills as more important). I can even understand how the casting and viewing of the games is not necesarilly the fault of anyone, game, or company, but as a general concept of the genre/type of game. But the people behind this game... It is one of the most miserable groups communities of gamers I've ever met. The way I view it, they're no different than in any other team game. For the sake of examples, Halo. In Halo, most peopel run around with microphones, so you don't hear them. But, when you do, it is extremely often for people to run feelings of blame, anger, and general douchebaggery. Luckily, they keep it to themselves. Unfortunately, everyone in LoL has access to a keyboard, and proudly use it in the first 1/2 of the game for strategy, and in the second 1/2 for blaming their teammates for their failures. I'm very surprised to find a game where my teammates are not only cooperating at any level or time, but do so on a regular basis. In LoL, teamwork is more like 5 people competing for a spot as leader. P.S. Funniest thing I've ever experienced in LoL was a man claiming that he was the team leader because he was, "the Alpha Male." Obviously extreme, but that's the way I view the communty. | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On March 15 2012 05:29 SupLilSon wrote: Flash laughs at all of us equally as hard. Flash is unimpressed at this debate. =D | ||
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SirPsychoMantis
United States180 Posts
On March 15 2012 05:22 branflakes14 wrote: Saying Starcraft 2 has independence over League of Legends is iffy when you consider that any decent sized Starcraft 2 tournament has to answer to Blizzard. You missed the point. Answering to Blizzard is way different than 'Blizzard supplied all cash for prize money / venue', which is what Riot does. | ||
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zhurai
United States5660 Posts
On March 15 2012 05:27 dAPhREAk wrote: this is devolving into fps vs sc2 vs sc:bw vs LoL. is there no esport that is safe? wait until hon, dota, dota2 enters here too! or wait until angry birds, plants vs zombies, and farmville also enter in the conversation too (because why the hell not!) (JK) + Show Spoiler + if you can't get sarcasm, this is a joke' this thread..... | ||
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SupLilSon
Malaysia4123 Posts
Flash plays SC2, LoL and Dota.. at the same time while he's practicing BW to work on his multitasking. | ||
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ghosthunter
United States414 Posts
On March 15 2012 05:29 Talin wrote: I do agree with that comparison. But when given a choice between any two games, I'd rather focus (and want the industry to focus) on the one with a higher degree of physical and mechanical skill as a matter of principle. That said, like I said in the other thread, on a personal level I actually don't mind my favorite game taking a back seat in popularity at all. Popularity carries a lot of things I end up disliking about the community and the scene. I don't understand why there can't be differentiation in the E-Sports industry, akin to differentiation in the sports industry. The argument you could make, which would be contrary to this thread, is that XYZ MOBA has a higher skill cap than QRS MOBA. Industries should focus on whatever creates the most interest in their viewers and fills niches that need filling. This even allows for a multitude of MOBA games, similar to BW and SC2 filling different niches despite being the same type of game. Pursuing recreational sports and viewing experiences for only utilitarian and technological pursuit advancements would fail to reach broad appeal, though ti would reach a more specialized profession within itself, if that's what the goal is. | ||
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Crankk
Germany32 Posts
A lot of tactics and you must use your brain . I like LoL but SC2 is in my opinion 100 times better for viewers and for players.  | ||
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Adventurekid
Sweden505 Posts
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TheToast
United States4808 Posts
On March 15 2012 05:27 dAPhREAk wrote: this is devolving into fps vs sc2 vs sc:bw vs LoL. is there no esport that is safe? But only the game I like is a *true* esport. The rest of these aren't esports at all. No, [insert favorite game here] is a real esport. Anyone who likes these other games are people who sucked at [insert favorite game here] and needed to find a easier game to play. [insert favorite game here] requires such good skills, rediculous game knowledge, and a ton of practice. [insert least favorite game here] has suck a low skill cap compared to [insert favorite game here]. And everything else besides [insert favorite game here] is really boring to watch and therefore it's not an esport!! | ||
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Kickboxer
Slovenia1308 Posts
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