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Why do people hate Random players ? - Page 15
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jestlolk
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TheUnderking
Canada202 Posts
you can't just roll a dice unless you have 3 copies of the game. because of b.net 0.2, if you don't wanna mess up your mmr, the only why of playing the full game and not just 1/3 of the game is by playing random. if you could have multiple accounts almost noone would play random i guess I randomed in wc3 as well, and you could have as many accounts as you liked in that game. To paraphrase someone else on the first page : It's the internet, people are gonna bm | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On February 24 2012 01:47 tztztz wrote: you can't just roll a dice unless you have 3 copies of the game. because of b.net 0.2, if you don't wanna mess up your mmr, the only why of playing the full game and not just 1/3 of the game is by playing random. if you could have multiple accounts almost noone would play random i guess This. If I could split my account into 3, I'd do it. But buying 2 more accounts is just not worth it. So I just go with random. If my opponent asks for my race nicely, I'll tell them. I have to say though, I kinda like the feeling of going into a match and not knowing which race I'll end up with too. It adds a little bit to easing the repetitive laddering process. | ||
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DreamChaser
1649 Posts
On February 23 2012 22:49 Deagle wrote: The problem it's that most of randoms cheeses. I also have negative opinion about them, because they tend not to play long games. 3/5 times a random will cheese when i ladder, so when i see random it automatically makes me go into anti-cheese mode. | ||
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NemEU
United Kingdom30 Posts
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Arghmyliver
United States1078 Posts
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willoc
Canada1530 Posts
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Ogww
Finland224 Posts
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sLiMpoweR
United States430 Posts
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Arghmyliver
United States1078 Posts
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idonthinksobro
3138 Posts
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Arghmyliver
United States1078 Posts
On February 24 2012 02:03 Ogww wrote: I'm not playing real games against opponents who can't pick real race but take unfair information advantage early and most of time by my experience use it for cheesing. I'm 6pooling every random. Race of the random player should be showed at the start of the game so both players are equal. Lol you guys know you're posting this publicly right? Lmao | ||
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ch4ppi
Germany802 Posts
On February 23 2012 22:50 Marinechan wrote: When people choose random, their opponent assumes that they're going to cheese. I guess that's it, haha! Yeah jealous.... eh no dude, most randoms are just cheesing or playing easy to perform builds, but loose most of the games that go for like over 15 minutes. And if I check the match history of random players on my diamond level, there are so many 6 Pools, 2 base Allins... I would never BM a random player, but I scout very early and play exceptionally safe and scout more than usual and win most of the games if I can defend the cheese. Especially in Mirror matches I feel like I cant loose.... | ||
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Jedclark
United Kingdom903 Posts
This is particularly annoying PvZ where if you FFE, you have to place the 9 pylon in you natural as opposed to your main. | ||
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CryMore
United States497 Posts
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silverstyle
Singapore1108 Posts
On February 23 2012 22:55 Teoita wrote: Because random doesn't show the race at start. As a protoss player, that's annoying as hell. This. As a protoss more so than most other races, the openings are very specific, theres no real middle of the road opening except the 1 gate expo, but against zerg youre kind of behind, even more so if you 12 gate instead of 13 gate (12 gate incase its PvP) Many people want to practice or have an opening specific to each race. Random kinda throws it off i guess. IDK abt the abuse but tahts why i hate playing vs random. | ||
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willoc
Canada1530 Posts
On February 24 2012 01:35 Lord_J wrote: I guarantee that he's one of those people who rolls over and dies to the most standard pressure in the book and then rages about being "cheesed." Those randoms are doing it wrong anyway. 6 Rax Bunker rush is better. Wait till you come across that. | ||
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Arghmyliver
United States1078 Posts
On February 24 2012 02:05 idonthinksobro wrote: Because random player are usually awful and have 1 abusive allin for each matchup. And the allins are more likely to work because the opponent doesn't know if he needs to wall off or not, so if you wall off and opponent is 4gating -> gg. You dont wall off and opponent is a zerg and goes for a 8pool -> gg. If you don't scout ---> GG | ||
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-Celestial-
United Kingdom3867 Posts
On February 24 2012 01:17 Doctorasul wrote: If what you say is true, then why aren't you sending a scout earlier or why aren't you sending two scouts on a large map? If those are bad ideas, come up with your own, or are you saying it's simply impossible? You will be playing against someone who does not have the advantage of always playing one race, and that will show. The random's advantage is going to vanish in 2 minutes, leaving a gaping hole of experience with the particular race he happened to have spawed. You also conveninently decided to ignore the uncomfortable question: If random is so strong, why are there no top pros playing random and doesn't that fact make your whining look even more desperate? I'm sure I had a more respectful form of that question somewhere but I'm losing patience with the waves of crap and whining pouring over this thread like an unstoppable avalanche of stupidity. I 9-pylon scout every game, every matchup; and on large maps if I don't find immediately then I tend to 13-gateway scout as well in the opposite direction. How much more scouting do you propose? Your argument of "but they have to play all different races so its HARD" is complete rubbish. Regardless of whether or not that it is more difficult to do the system is dynamic. Therefore regardless of how good or bad they are as a random player they will be matched up appropriately. Therefore their average ability across their three races will be comparable to your skill level on one race. It will NOT show in a match-up because the matchmaking system doesn't work like that. By definition the person playing against you is a similar skill level; they are approximately as good as you are, regardless of any lack of "experience" with a particular race. To illustrate: MMA is one of the best Terrans in the world. Lets say hypothetically MMA has NEVER played as Zerg. Ever. I don't know if this is true or not (I doubt it), but for the purposes of this example lets just say he's never played as Zerg. Now say MMA plays a game against me. Him as Zerg, me as Protoss. I've got a couple of hundred games experience as Protoss (I know, I know, I should play more). He has none as Zerg (in this example). What happens? I'd put money on him absolutely destroying me. Why doesn't my experience with Protoss win over his with Zerg? Simple: he's a much, much better player and he doesn't need any knowledge of Zerg beyond the absolute basics of "use injects, build stuff from larva at hatcheries, drones turn into buildings". And I'd guess that he could do the same to any player from Bronze to Mid-Masters regardless of how much experience they have with their race to his complete lack of experience with Zerg. That said you don't even have to go to extreme examples like a pro vs a random scrub like me. You can even see it between leagues. A Masters player playing a Gold player on an off-race will still probably win. A Platinum player playing a Bronze player on an off-race will similarly probably win. Thats not because they're suddenly good at the race, its because their fundamentals don't suck as much as those of the people they're playing against. Experience with a race means little when compared to skill and experience with the game generally. At the lower levels of the game experience with a race means basically nothing because everyone screws up so much and so badly. I random in 4v4s ("for the lulz") and no, my understanding of Zerg and Terran aren't as good as that of my understanding of Protoss. But I sure as hell don't blame a lack of experience with Zerg and Terran for any losses...its just because I suck at the game and my general mechanics and macro need to improve. I actually tend to win a lot in 4v4s. But again thats not because I'm amazing at any race I get given, its because my opponents suck even more than I do. Thats just the way it is at sub-high masters level, everyone's basic mechanics and macro suck. And actually this is all directly relevant to your question: why doesn't this happen at the highest level? Because at the highest levels this kind of experience DOES matter. When you have people whose macro and mechanics are pro-level then every little advantage counts. And having played 15,000 games as a Terran at that level means you're going to be much better with Terran than the other races when you've got the basics figured out. THATS why basically no pros play random. At the very highest levels knowing your race inside and out is a bigger edge than the psychological advantage of your opponent not knowing what you're playing as. However thats only valid at the very, very highest level. When you're talking about ladder, more specifically ladder at a Bronze to Mid-Masters level, experience with a race doesn't matter at all. If it did then people race switching should fall far further than they do when they switch. Your experience with your race means basically nothing at low levels. Therefore the lack of information is the bigger advantage because everyone, including you, suck at the game. Amongst pros there are numerous ways for them to gain an advantage and some advantages are worth more than others...because they have already got all of the basics down (almost?) perfectly. However the trick to winning on most of the ladder is to suck slightly less at the fundamental basics of this game than other people. In essence its down to the difference between sub-GM league play and actual professional play. One involves not sucking quite so bad as your opponent and the other involves actually out-thinking and out-playing them. | ||
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yarkO
Canada810 Posts
"Ahehehehe.. why would people be annoyed when my race is a secret? Perhaps the thinktank at TeamLiquid will know....." Are you dumb or something? Think about it. | ||
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