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On January 21 2012 01:29 Myles wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 01:27 Femari wrote: So apparently yet again Lee was made out to look like a bad guy but it was completely wrong.
Well this is a surprise. Actually not wrong. The main premise, that Lee poached players then hypocritically railed against those who did it to him, is still correct.
I really wish TL could wait for Lee's side of the story instead of convicting him based off of a post whose content has been partially based off of rumors.
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On January 20 2012 16:58 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 16:12 Subversive wrote: A politician was sued in the UK for posting a defamatory tweet about his opponent. Sued for about 30K pounds iirc. Definitely counts as published in a fair few countries. Just because this is tl and not a news site doesn't make a difference :p. Of course, British libel law is hardly as respectable a standard as the pound sterling. I... don't really get what you're trying to imply here. He was right to sue. His opponent had claimed he was tampering with ballots or something outrageous. He took it down, but that's hardly the point. He slandered his opponent on the day of actual voting - this is an example of British libel law being appropriate.
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On January 21 2012 00:23 TheAntZ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 22:35 Utinni wrote:On January 20 2012 22:24 TheAntZ wrote:On January 20 2012 22:10 Utinni wrote: I wish I could type whatever I wanted and get the thread to stay... Then maybe you should have contributed to this site for 6+ years bringing insider info from korea christ, some people. I hope everyone doesn't think like that.There is a difference between good information and hearsay. I hope you don't become a reporter. What? I never said anywhere he was an entirely credible source. Do you have any reading comprehension? I simply said that if you want to be treated with extreme leniency when you fuck up like rekrul, you'd need to have earned it. You're saying oh gee, i should be treated the exact same way as someone who has proved to be a valuable source of progamer gossip and hilarious stories about korean night clubs and such. He was a moderator here, and has earned the right to be treated differently, according to the TL Commandments. What you said was...ridiculously stupid. That you expect the same treatment without actually earning it shows how childish you are. edit: also its hilarious that you say I shouldn't be a reporter, when many of them inflate and put twists on whatever they report. YES, The reason he gets to post stuff is because he has been contributing forever... and ALL of his contributions are usually valid... This particular thread was all hearsay and caused a lot of drama where there was nothing to back it. It MAY be true and MAY not be... but you can't just post whatever you want and perceive it as true. People will believe you (like most of TL did)
I am implying that it was silly to make that particular post, TL and Rekrul obviously agree since they took it down.
Have a good day.
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Thanks for clearing it up Rekrul, though I'm somewhat confused. If I remember correctly, didn't you imply in the first thread that the whole camera thing was a speculation from the get go and not a provable fact?
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nice, i called bullshit in the original thread on all the parts that ended up being removed. yay.
the overall message still hold's true that lee isn't as 'innocent' as he tries to claim and seems to spout foul play anytime things don't go his way.
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On January 21 2012 01:47 crms wrote: nice, i called bullshit in the original thread on all the parts that ended up being removed. yay.
the overall message still hold's true that lee isn't as 'innocent' as he tries to claim and seems to spout foul play anytime things don't go his way.
true, I am sure he is gonna watch what he does. everyone is watching.
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On January 21 2012 01:38 RJGooner wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 01:29 Myles wrote:On January 21 2012 01:27 Femari wrote: So apparently yet again Lee was made out to look like a bad guy but it was completely wrong.
Well this is a surprise. Actually not wrong. The main premise, that Lee poached players then hypocritically railed against those who did it to him, is still correct. I really wish TL could wait for Lee's side of the story instead of convicting him based off of a post whose content has been partially based off of rumors. My point was that despite the details that really villainized Lee being rumors or exaggeration, the main premise didn't change. He is still accused of being a hypocrite who has poached players himself.
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This is why you don't jump on the band wagon when someone says X about Y. Withhold your judgements until everything is made clear, rather than when its all just a few wild speculations.
No disrespect to Rekrul (despite not knowing who he is), he's obviously well respected on TL, but even he can receive false information, or maybe even intentionally lie. Not calling him out on it, everyone can and everybody lies. Like I said, dont be so hasty to get your pitchforks out in the future.
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On January 21 2012 01:53 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 01:51 Myles wrote:On January 21 2012 01:38 RJGooner wrote:On January 21 2012 01:29 Myles wrote:On January 21 2012 01:27 Femari wrote: So apparently yet again Lee was made out to look like a bad guy but it was completely wrong.
Well this is a surprise. Actually not wrong. The main premise, that Lee poached players then hypocritically railed against those who did it to him, is still correct. I really wish TL could wait for Lee's side of the story instead of convicting him based off of a post whose content has been partially based off of rumors. My point was that despite the details that really villainized Lee being rumors or exaggeration, the main premise didn't change. He is still accused of being a hypocrite who has poached players himself. Which could be completely made up as no one actually knows how it went down, and you are all relying on rekruls biased word to be true. Tester/FD left ogs in august, tsl was created in october, just for reference. There were never any bad rumors about Lee, how TSL was made, until rekrul came with them during the Puma transaction. FD/trickters reason for leaving ogs were related to how hard they were forced to practice according to interviews back then. Salaries werent introduced to TSL until 2011 either. There's nothing that indicates that Lee poached any players in any way. edit; more accuracy Hm :S. Now I don't know what to think.
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On January 21 2012 01:53 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 01:51 Myles wrote:On January 21 2012 01:38 RJGooner wrote:On January 21 2012 01:29 Myles wrote:On January 21 2012 01:27 Femari wrote: So apparently yet again Lee was made out to look like a bad guy but it was completely wrong.
Well this is a surprise. Actually not wrong. The main premise, that Lee poached players then hypocritically railed against those who did it to him, is still correct. I really wish TL could wait for Lee's side of the story instead of convicting him based off of a post whose content has been partially based off of rumors. My point was that despite the details that really villainized Lee being rumors or exaggeration, the main premise didn't change. He is still accused of being a hypocrite who has poached players himself. Which could be completely made up as no one actually knows how it went down, and you are all relying on rekruls biased word to be true. Tester/FD left ogs in august, tsl was created in october, just for reference. There were never any bad rumors about Lee, how TSL was made, until rekrul came with them during the Puma transaction. FD/trickters reason for leaving ogs were related to how hard they were forced to practice according to interviews back then. Salaries werent introduced to TSL until 2011 either. There's nothing that indicates that Lee poached any players in any way. edit; more accuracy
Just fact checks:
- Aug 23 2010 - Tester/FD left oGs 1, 2
- Sep 06 2010 - TSL formed 1
- Mar 14 2011 - TSL announce salaries 1
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On January 21 2012 02:06 Primadog wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 01:53 zeru wrote:On January 21 2012 01:51 Myles wrote:On January 21 2012 01:38 RJGooner wrote:On January 21 2012 01:29 Myles wrote:On January 21 2012 01:27 Femari wrote: So apparently yet again Lee was made out to look like a bad guy but it was completely wrong.
Well this is a surprise. Actually not wrong. The main premise, that Lee poached players then hypocritically railed against those who did it to him, is still correct. I really wish TL could wait for Lee's side of the story instead of convicting him based off of a post whose content has been partially based off of rumors. My point was that despite the details that really villainized Lee being rumors or exaggeration, the main premise didn't change. He is still accused of being a hypocrite who has poached players himself. Which could be completely made up as no one actually knows how it went down, and you are all relying on rekruls biased word to be true. Tester/FD left ogs in august, tsl was created in october, just for reference. There were never any bad rumors about Lee, how TSL was made, until rekrul came with them during the Puma transaction. FD/trickters reason for leaving ogs were related to how hard they were forced to practice according to interviews back then. Salaries werent introduced to TSL until 2011 either. There's nothing that indicates that Lee poached any players in any way. edit; more accuracy Just fact checks: - Aug 23 2010 - Tester/FD left oGs 1, 2
- Sep 06 2010 - TSL formed 1
- Mar 14 2011 - TSL announce salaries 1
Ah 2 weeks isn't much. Also the salary thing isn't relevant is it, because the claim is the offer was that they could keep 100% of their tournament winnings, no?
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Personally, I already said my share, so I'll let on everyone to make their own judgement given the amount of data we already have.
The fact checks are just there so we have some unbiased data for clarification.
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how has this gone on for 21 pages? all you guys have no relationship/connection with Coach Lee and the players involved, it has absolutely no affect on your lives at all. Starcraft drama is fun to read about, but you guys are all acting like your 2cents means something.. it doesnt. Move along now unless you have real info about the situation at hand, you guys really shouldnt be posting again and again saying the same shit about "what u think of Coach Lee", you have NO idea who this guy is
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On January 21 2012 02:17 copacetic wrote: how has this gone on for 21 pages? all you guys have no relationship/connection with Coach Lee and the players involved, it has absolutely no affect on your lives at all. Starcraft drama is fun to read about, but you guys are all acting like your 2cents means something.. it doesnt. Move along now unless you have real info about the situation at hand, you guys really shouldnt be posting again and again saying the same shit about "what u think of Coach Lee", you have NO idea who this guy is
We are fans. You should check out how much worse things get in other sports.
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Poor Coach Lee, in this context. I wasn't able to follow the original thread, as I was busy earlier and now it got deleted, but how did Rekrul come to realize this errors? Did Coach Lee contact him?
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On January 20 2012 13:40 Rekrul wrote:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=304512(thread is now deleted)I have corrected some errors in this thread. I would like to apologize to Coach Lee for stating a few things as if they were fact when they were merely rumors floating around among the Korean Pro's. Even though I feel it is obvious that Lee is completely hypocritical in all his recent dealings with the EG/Puma situation and the Fnatic/Alive situation, in fairness I owe it to him to correct these things that were stated: 1. Lee never actually 'came to oGs desperately' to live there. He did hang out at the oGs Sook-so often during those times though. 2. While the events of that day are accurate with Spunky angrily storming into the new TSL Sook-so trying to get his players back, the stuff with the video cameras was speculation from the people at the Sook-so that day. Spunky never claimed it as a fact to me, I had just heard it through the grapevine. 3. At that time FD/Tester decided to stay with TSL on their own interest. It was actually still in their best interest financially to stay with TSL considering their situation as described in the original thread. Lee wasn't blackmailing them. They just made a stupid decision on their part and when the dust settled they said their apologies to oGs and stayed with TSL. Once again, sorry Coach Lee for spreading misinformation and causing misunderstanding and possibly harming your reputation. Edit: having TL delete the entire thread as it is too libelous. People are missing the important part in all this:
+ Show Spoiler +Even after Rekrul's thread was fact-checked, Starcraft II is still a terrible game.
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