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On January 20 2012 13:40 Rekrul wrote:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=304512(thread is now deleted)I have corrected some errors in this thread. I would like to apologize to Coach Lee for stating a few things as if they were fact when they were merely rumors floating around among the Korean Pro's. Even though I feel it is obvious that Lee is completely hypocritical in all his recent dealings with the EG/Puma situation and the Fnatic/Alive situation, in fairness I owe it to him to correct these things that were stated: 1. Lee never actually 'came to oGs desperately' to live there. He did hang out at the oGs Sook-so often during those times though. 2. While the events of that day are accurate with Spunky angrily storming into the new TSL Sook-so trying to get his players back, the stuff with the video cameras was speculation from the people at the Sook-so that day. Spunky never claimed it as a fact to me, I had just heard it through the grapevine. 3. At that time FD/Tester decided to stay with TSL on their own interest. It was actually still in their best interest financially to stay with TSL considering their situation as described in the original thread. Lee wasn't blackmailing them. They just made a stupid decision on their part and when the dust settled they said their apologies to oGs and stayed with TSL. Once again, sorry Coach Lee for spreading misinformation and causing misunderstanding and possibly harming your reputation. Edit: having TL delete the entire thread as it is too libelous.
Way to man up.
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When Alive left the team my friend told me "inb4 TSL is the new WeRRa" and then this all happened x.x Thanks for clearing it all up Rekrul but yeah... still not looking good for them.
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I think the original thread should not have been deleted, but rather just closed. The original post exists on the internet forever now so if coach Lee wanted proof of libel it would be easy to find.
I think the original thread was deleted because the team liquid mod staff are embarrassed.
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On January 20 2012 23:29 strongandbig wrote:
Personally I don't think the previous thread should have been deleted. Maybe a disclaimer at the top would be enough. However, the stuff in the previous thread was important, even if it's "just what all the players in the scene know," it's still important information before people decide to support the team, sometimes financially.
Problem is that it isn't 'just what all the players in the scene know' as can be seen from Killer's tweets.
edit: or at least that there's more to it than what we've been fed.
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Well that helps to clear the Orginal thread up a little, still curious though.
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So in reality Coach Lee is a good guy and when you see him you should buy him a beer.
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What do you know, all those guys getting run out of town for being skeptical in the original thread were actually right.
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On January 21 2012 00:05 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:
So in reality Coach Lee is a good guy and when you see him you should buy him a beer.
You've not read the original thread, then.
This does not take away from what Coach Lee did. The confrontation, the player poaching, etc, is all real. Lee is an asshole, it seems.
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On January 20 2012 22:35 Utinni wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 22:24 TheAntZ wrote:On January 20 2012 22:10 Utinni wrote:
I wish I could type whatever I wanted and get the thread to stay... Then maybe you should have contributed to this site for 6+ years bringing insider info from korea christ, some people. I hope everyone doesn't think like that.There is a difference between good information and hearsay. I hope you don't become a reporter.
What? I never said anywhere he was an entirely credible source. Do you have any reading comprehension?
I simply said that if you want to be treated with extreme leniency when you fuck up like rekrul, you'd need to have earned it. You're saying oh gee, i should be treated the exact same way as someone who has proved to be a valuable source of progamer gossip and hilarious stories about korean night clubs and such.
He was a moderator here, and has earned the right to be treated differently, according to the TL Commandments. What you said was...ridiculously stupid. That you expect the same treatment without actually earning it shows how childish you are.
edit: also its hilarious that you say I shouldn't be a reporter, when many of them inflate and put twists on whatever they report.
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Hi all!
I've been lurking for a couple of years, mostly enjoying my time on TL, and since I got a really bitter taste from recent events I felt I had to share it, since I would like to continue having the same quality experience here.
I read almost all of the deleted thread, and although one could say that as a whole it is a stain on TL's image (and probably evidence on the occasion this goes to court - although as other people said you can find copies of it), it should be available in closed threads as it would be a good lesson for everyone, and more importantly it would stand as a token of transparency and integrity on TL's behalf, separating TL from the inevitable mistakes its members (new and old) and/or staff make.
Just an opinion, I will be back to the shadows where I feel more comfortable.
Ps1. on the cached version of the deleted thread zeru posted earlier, I can only view the first page, the rest displays a "You do not have permission to view this thread. Click here to view the forum index.", thus making it unavailable.
Ps2. No current relevant thread on Website feedback, so I post here, since in the end these are somewhat interconnected issues.
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On January 21 2012 00:27 tsaliakam wrote:
Hi all!
I've been lurking for a couple of years, mostly enjoying my time on TL, and since I got a really bitter taste from recent events I felt I had to share it, since I would like to continue having the same quality experience here.
I read almost all of the deleted thread, and although one could say that as a whole it is a stain on TL's image (and probably evidence on the occasion this goes to court - although as other people said you can find copies of it), it should be available in closed threads as it would be a good lesson for everyone, and more importantly it would stand as a token of transparency and integrity on TL's behalf, separating TL from the inevitable mistakes its members (new and old) and/or staff make.
Just an opinion, I will be back to the shadows where I feel more comfortable.
Ps1. on the cached version of the deleted thread zeru posted earlier, I can only view the first page, the rest displays a "You do not have permission to view this thread. Click here to view the forum index.", thus making it unavailable.
Ps2. No current relevant thread on Website feedback, so I post here, since in the end these are somewhat interconnected issues.
view it here http://sc2ps.com/2012/01/the-real-story-behind-coach-lee-of-tsl/
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Doesn't change the storie very much
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Okay, so not as nuts of a guy as we thought, but still pretty shady and definitely hypocritical. Still think TSL is off way better without him.
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Too many noobies around in these threads that just don't understand the great Rekrul..... sigh. At least all of those retractions are cosmetic changes only, hopefully that will help the thread not to flare up so poorly again.
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On January 21 2012 00:18 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 00:11 Terrafros wrote:On January 21 2012 00:05 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:
So in reality Coach Lee is a good guy and when you see him you should buy him a beer. You've not read the original thread, then. This does not take away from what Coach Lee did. The confrontation, the player poaching, etc, is all real. Lee is an asshole, it seems. The "player poaching" is a one sided story from the same biased source. We don't know the interactions between Lee, FD, SKS when TSL was created. There was nothing about TSL player poaching around the time it was created. Those (made up?) rumors came much later. Interview around the time they left oGs: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=146893Show nested quote +
Why aren't you active in oGs anymore?
Me and Wonki wanted to relax and enjoy games. Being in a team environment was nice but both of us wanted to really enjoy SC2 and leagues. For the purpose of more freedom, I left the team with Wonki, we are now living together.
The player poaching story resurfaced because Lee has demonstrated himself to be a hypocrite and has cried wolf twice now. Look at the OP, the second retraction was over the video cameras speculation, not refuting Spunky's (oGs coach) confrontation. Think about this for a second, Rekrul obviously got his fact-checked by Lee or someone close to him, why did "Spunky angrily storming into the new TSL Sook-so trying to get his players back" remained? Because it happened. This was widely known in the Korean circles, even reaffirmed by Monster (a Korean player) in the deleted thread.
Player transfers happen, and most of the times amicably. Even in the worst cases, like what happened a while back with Stephano, they get resolved in reasonable terms. Lee has demonstrated himself unable to act maturely multiple times now, consistently failed to negotiate proper terms and intentionally harm his former players' future homes. That's hurting eSports.
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On January 21 2012 00:36 zz_ wrote:
Okay, so not as nuts of a guy as we thought, but still pretty shady and definitely hypocritical. Still think TSL is off way better without him.
yeah i agree. I just cant help feeling bad for the players! Just imagine them sitting there playing all day and knowing what a douche bag he really is! Like i wouldn't feel comfortable playing there or having him by my side coaching me when he acts like he does.... Just sad and i hope the players are ok...
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On January 21 2012 00:27 tsaliakam wrote:
Hi all!
I've been lurking for a couple of years, mostly enjoying my time on TL, and since I got a really bitter taste from recent events I felt I had to share it, since I would like to continue having the same quality experience here.
I read almost all of the deleted thread, and although one could say that as a whole it is a stain on TL's image (and probably evidence on the occasion this goes to court - although as other people said you can find copies of it), it should be available in closed threads as it would be a good lesson for everyone, and more importantly it would stand as a token of transparency and integrity on TL's behalf, separating TL from the inevitable mistakes its members (new and old) and/or staff make.
Just an opinion, I will be back to the shadows where I feel more comfortable.
Ps1. on the cached version of the deleted thread zeru posted earlier, I can only view the first page, the rest displays a "You do not have permission to view this thread. Click here to view the forum index.", thus making it unavailable.
Ps2. No current relevant thread on Website feedback, so I post here, since in the end these are somewhat interconnected issues.
I'll just clarify that we very very rarely delete information off of TL. And if we have deleted a thread it is for a very good reason, the thread in question is no exception.
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On January 21 2012 00:39 Fyrewolf wrote:
Too many noobies around in these threads that just don't understand the great Rekrul..... sigh. At least all of those retractions are cosmetic changes only, hopefully that will help the thread not to flare up so poorly again.
Pot calling the kettle black? But I guess you were a long-time lurker.
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