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zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-20 15:48:53
January 20 2012 15:47 GMT
#381
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Primadog
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4411 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-20 16:11:57
January 20 2012 15:50 GMT
#382
It never became drama because Spunky isn't a drama queen like Lee, which is exactly what we're pointing out.


Milkis' translation of the Monster tweet was lost, but here's a mirror of the original tweets from reddit. Roughly:
Someone (MONsterY) posted on PlayXP that Coach Lee threatened Trickster, FruitDealer, and Coach Won at Startale to put up that apology note. Coach Lee blackmailed using the fact that they bet on sports betting site and if there's no apology note he will get journalists to publish articles about it.

They did a false apology because they didn't want any kind of scandal like that.

Also, apparently Coach Lee was congratulating Puma up to the very last day Puma was still at TSL, and then the second Puma left Coach Lee put those articles up.



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Thank God and gunrun.
zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
January 20 2012 15:56 GMT
#383
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Primadog
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4411 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-20 16:11:20
January 20 2012 16:03 GMT
#384
Maybe, but they're the best third party sources we have available. With Monster and Rekrul, we now have multiple sources regarding Lee's behind the scene behavior. We also have multiple public statements and actions of how Lee acts against other parties (EG, SC2CON, Alive).

Remember, TL is not a court of law and we are not triers of fact. There never has been extraordinary demands for evidence, just sufficient reliable ones. We have shamed people publicly with less. Obviously, this is not a good habit of TL, but for this circumstance, there're enough out now for each of us to make our own personal judgements.

Thank God and gunrun.
Guamshin
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands295 Posts
January 20 2012 16:03 GMT
#385
Previous thread is a good example of how easy you can tell people what happened and make them believe it.
Weeeee
iamke55
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
United States2806 Posts
January 20 2012 16:07 GMT
#386
On January 21 2012 01:03 Guamshin wrote:
Previous thread is a good example of how easy you can tell people what happened and make them believe it.

I think this thread is a good example of how even a millionaire can be blackmailed by Coach Lee.
During practice session, I discovered very good build against zerg. -Bisu[Shield]
Theovide
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden914 Posts
January 20 2012 16:08 GMT
#387
I don't know what to believe anymore. Waaaaaaaah.
Longshank
Profile Joined March 2010
1648 Posts
January 20 2012 16:11 GMT
#388
On January 21 2012 01:03 Primadog wrote:
Maybe, but they're the best third party sources we have available. With Monster and Rekrul, we now have multiple sources regarding Lee's behind the scene behavior.


This is extraordinary.
garbanzo
Profile Joined October 2009
United States4046 Posts
January 20 2012 16:13 GMT
#389
Well, this just makes the story more confusing. If I were to believe the previous thread and think that Coach Lee is diabolical then it's certainly possible that this thread is a result of his manipulations.

I think I'll just choose to believe that you are indeed honorable and I was right in thinking that if what you said in the other thread turned out to be wrong that you would own up to it.

Thanks for owning up to it.
Even during difficult times, when I sat down to play the game, there were times where it felt like god has descended down and played [for me].
zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-20 16:19:22
January 20 2012 16:13 GMT
#390
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Primadog
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4411 Posts
January 20 2012 16:13 GMT
#391
It's easy for us from the SC2 generation to forget, but Rekrul is one of the few Foreigners Pro-gamers from BW, and very much trusted within the community. His stories are worth a read http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=22425
Thank God and gunrun.
brachester
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia1786 Posts
January 20 2012 16:20 GMT
#392
On January 21 2012 01:13 Primadog wrote:
It's easy for us from the SC2 generation to forget, but Rekrul is one of the few Foreigners Pro-gamers from BW, and very much trusted within the community. His stories are worth a read http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=22425

Sangho lives WTHIN the progaming scene, so that background doesn't give him any more edge than what he's having now
I hate all this singing
Mr Showtime
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1353 Posts
January 20 2012 16:22 GMT
#393
On January 20 2012 13:50 tree.hugger wrote:
Pretty sure this doesn't change any part of the story, except the fact that Coach Lee also isn't a mad scientist.


haha, this sums it up pretty well
Rabbet
Profile Joined December 2009
Canada404 Posts
January 20 2012 16:22 GMT
#394
On January 21 2012 00:45 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2012 00:27 tsaliakam wrote:
Hi all!
I've been lurking for a couple of years, mostly enjoying my time on TL, and since I got a really bitter taste from recent events I felt I had to share it, since I would like to continue having the same quality experience here.

I read almost all of the deleted thread, and although one could say that as a whole it is a stain on TL's image (and probably evidence on the occasion this goes to court - although as other people said you can find copies of it), it should be available in closed threads as it would be a good lesson for everyone, and more importantly it would stand as a token of transparency and integrity on TL's behalf, separating TL from the inevitable mistakes its members (new and old) and/or staff make.

Just an opinion, I will be back to the shadows where I feel more comfortable.

Ps1. on the cached version of the deleted thread zeru posted earlier, I can only view the first page, the rest displays a "You do not have permission to view this thread. Click here to view the forum index.", thus making it unavailable.
Ps2. No current relevant thread on Website feedback, so I post here, since in the end these are somewhat interconnected issues.

I'll just clarify that we very very rarely delete information off of TL. And if we have deleted a thread it is for a very good reason, the thread in question is no exception.


Would you clarify the reason the thread was deleted?
RJGooner
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2076 Posts
January 20 2012 16:24 GMT
#395
On January 21 2012 01:07 iamke55 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2012 01:03 Guamshin wrote:
Previous thread is a good example of how easy you can tell people what happened and make them believe it.

I think this thread is a good example of how even a millionaire can be blackmailed by Coach Lee.


Um...what?
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Femari
Profile Joined June 2011
United States2900 Posts
January 20 2012 16:27 GMT
#396
So apparently yet again Lee was made out to look like a bad guy but it was completely wrong.

Well this is a surprise.
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Primadog
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4411 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-20 16:57:43
January 20 2012 16:29 GMT
#397
On January 21 2012 01:13 zeru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2012 01:03 Primadog wrote:
Maybe, but they're the best third party sources we have available. With Monster and Rekrul, we now have multiple sources regarding Lee's behind the scene behavior. We also have multiple public statements and actions of how Lee acts against other parties (EG, FD/Tester nonpayment, Alive).

Remember, TL is not a court of law and we are not triers of fact. There never has been extraordinary demands for evidence, just sufficient reliable ones. We have shamed people publicly with less. Obviously, this is not a good habit of TL, but for this circumstance, there're enough out now for each of us to make our own personal judgements.


FD/Tester Drama Conclusion <- do people not remember this? Lee was the one who was staying cool during all this, and FD/Tester/Coach Won lied/believed eachothers lies/rumors/made up stories.
Sangho on all this

There's always more than 1 side to a story.


Every single one of the listed dramas ended with public shaming of his former players. Aren't you troubled? What's more likely, his players consistently conspires to screw him over, or that he's a dick?

There are no doubt that Lee is a good coach. He has a solid BW resume, and proofed himself in raising and finding talent, but a good coach does not necessitate a good businessmen, or even a good person. He has demonstrated to play poorly when he felt threatened - against Spunky, against EG/Puma, against FD/Tester, against Fnatics/Alive (and probably the NASL boycott too) - in short, unsportsman-like conducts. Even worse, he has been alleged to consistently dealt in threats, blackmails, and acts of public and media humiliation.

He may had built up TSL, but his actions also are killing it. The result is in the pudding - of TSL's founding members, only RevivaL remains. Wanna wait to see how long before RevivaL leaves too?

Thank God and gunrun.
Myles
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5162 Posts
January 20 2012 16:29 GMT
#398
On January 21 2012 01:27 Femari wrote:
So apparently yet again Lee was made out to look like a bad guy but it was completely wrong.

Well this is a surprise.

Actually not wrong. The main premise, that Lee poached players then hypocritically railed against those who did it to him, is still correct.
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Biane
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia645 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-20 16:35:08
January 20 2012 16:34 GMT
#399
On January 21 2012 01:29 Primadog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2012 01:13 zeru wrote:
On January 21 2012 01:03 Primadog wrote:
Maybe, but they're the best third party sources we have available. With Monster and Rekrul, we now have multiple sources regarding Lee's behind the scene behavior. We also have multiple public statements and actions of how Lee acts against other parties (EG, FD/Tester nonpayment, Alive).

Remember, TL is not a court of law and we are not triers of fact. There never has been extraordinary demands for evidence, just sufficient reliable ones. We have shamed people publicly with less. Obviously, this is not a good habit of TL, but for this circumstance, there're enough out now for each of us to make our own personal judgements.


FD/Tester Drama Conclusion <- do people not remember this? Lee was the one who was staying cool during all this, and FD/Tester/Coach Won lied/believed eachothers lies/rumors/made up stories.
Sangho on all this

There's always more than 1 side to a story.


Every single one of the listed dramas ended with public shaming of his former players. Aren't you troubled? What's more likely, his players consistently conspires to screw him over, or that he's a dick?

There are no doubt that Lee is a good coach. He has a solid BW resume, and demonstrated himself in raising and finding talent, but a good coach does not necessitate him as a good businessmen, or even a good person. He has demonstrated to play poorly when he felt threatened - against Spunky, against EG/Puma, against FD/Tester, against Fnatics/Alive (and probably the NASL boycott too) - in short, unsportsman-like conducts. Even worse, he has been alleged to consistently dealt in threats, blackmails, and acts of public and media humiliation.

He may had built up TSL, but his actions also are killing it. The result is in the pudding - of TSL's founding members, only RevivaL remains. Wanna wait to see how long before RevivaL leaves too?



This is just an example, but if say revival is going to leave TSL in 3 months, we (Rekrul's thread) turn it into 1 month...
zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-20 16:39:56
January 20 2012 16:35 GMT
#400
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