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On January 20 2012 22:50 Beef Noodles wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 22:38 Biane wrote:On January 20 2012 22:35 Beef Noodles wrote:On January 20 2012 22:32 zeru wrote:On January 20 2012 17:26 AndysRaulSioux wrote:
Safe to say that I'll never believe another post by Rekrul again. Sigh, this sc2 drama is so bad... Rekrul is pretty reliable as as source. But this time he was quite emotionally involved, he has been in every coach lee related things ever since TSL was created. I don't get how this discredits rekrul? He is just saying that some of the stuff he says can't be PROVEN and some of the stuff might have been exaggerated... He didn't lie... He doesn't have to lie. But basing his "facts" on rumors (some part of it, and don't say it doesn't matter, cause the rumors part affected Lee's reputation as a person) especially when its a matter that can affect the accused career is a serious thing. I'm sorry but it was obvious from the beginning that "video cameras" and "recording devices" would have to be hearsay from the players. Coach Lee did not run up to Rekrul and say "muhahahaha I plant camera camera see see!!!" If you took that as guaranteed fact and now realize that it may or may not be true, then you are stupid.
Learn to read, he didn't say the person he talked to told him that coach Lee directly telling him that, it was FD/Tester, considering they're living in the same house, it's a possibility. Though whether it's true or not, it's not that obvious.
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On January 20 2012 22:48 Xalorian wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 22:43 Biane wrote:On January 20 2012 22:39 Monsen wrote:On January 20 2012 21:36 RolleMcKnolle wrote:On January 20 2012 21:17 fritos wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 20 2012 13:40 Rekrul wrote:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=304512(thread is now deleted)I have corrected some errors in this thread. I would like to apologize to Coach Lee for stating a few things as if they were fact when they were merely rumors floating around among the Korean Pro's. Even though I feel it is obvious that Lee is completely hypocritical in all his recent dealings with the EG/Puma situation and the Fnatic/Alive situation, in fairness I owe it to him to correct these things that were stated: 1. Lee never actually 'came to oGs desperately' to live there. He did hang out at the oGs Sook-so often during those times though. 2. While the events of that day are accurate with Spunky angrily storming into the new TSL Sook-so trying to get his players back, the stuff with the video cameras was speculation from the people at the Sook-so that day. Spunky never claimed it as a fact to me, I had just heard it through the grapevine. 3. At that time FD/Tester decided to stay with TSL on their own interest. It was actually still in their best interest financially to stay with TSL considering their situation as described in the original thread. Lee wasn't blackmailing them. They just made a stupid decision on their part and when the dust settled they said their apologies to oGs and stayed with TSL. Once again, sorry Coach Lee for spreading misinformation and causing misunderstanding and possibly harming your reputation. Edit: having TL delete the entire thread as it is too libelous. Rekrul, Just WOW, floating rumors but told them like you witnessed everything. Only life is this easy. Making all the accusations of someone, ruining his reputation, and calling him out on something that never happened... but next day one apology in the tread makes it all go away. Both Your orignial post and your apology are translated and posted on PlayXP (Korean SC2 community site). And Koreans seem to be apalled and upset with your haste and thoughtless accusations. 2 things I don't feel right about: 1. When someone make an accusation like rekrul- you better have all of your facts, not what you heard from your friends, or "floating rumors" should not warrant an accusation of someone. And one apology on the very next day should not get him off the hook after he made all these fictional/ false accusations about someone. 2. so far, TL commmutiny seems to "overly" kind and generous about this- "thanks for the apology, you made it all clear to me now." .... come on. I know rekrul has been a credible source for a long time but this time he pulled this out of his ass. Can't imagine if the community would react the same way if it was Milkis or someone else. Exactly my thoughts. I was wondering the whole time why almost noone was at least slightly critical about Rekruls behaviour. What basically happened is that an important person just shitted all over someone else with only hear-say-"facts". This is just insulting towards Coach Lee. And it's all done because he apologized? lol... The only things that are "hear say" are the camera incident and the only incorrect thing is Coach Lees financial status when he was hanging out at Ogs' place. Both sure overexagerate the story (and probably were meant to) but they don't change the big picture at all. The fact that he poached players and later blamed everyone else for foul play whenever anything closely similar happened remains? Rekrul apologized for these (fairly minor imo) inaccuracies and since they reflect badly on his own reputation I assume he had the Op deleted. For someone fighting in the name of reason you sure jump to some weird conclusions. Both sure overexagerate the story (and probably were meant to) but they don't change the big picture at all. In fact, they change the often overlooked picture which is how we view Lee as a person. Sure Lee does some shady stuff, tries to grab players behind spunky's back but throw in blackmail (the camera thing) into the picture and no one will probably ever trust him again. We already know for a fact that he is monitoring is players computer and logging conversation that they have on skype... and since those logging program are not just logging skype conversation normally, I would guess that he pretty much log everything. So, we already know that he is a shady character that would do those type of things, even if the camera thing is true or not.
You do know that companies do this all the time on company computers. It's not shady, it's commonly used by employers to protect themselves.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2308363,00.asp
http://www.wisegeek.com/how-do-employers-monitor-internet-usage-at-work.htm
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And this is why you shouldn't take anything as fact, regardless of who's saying it, until you have actual proof from multiple independent sources. You could risk ruining someone's career over hearsay and misunderstandings.
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On January 20 2012 22:50 Beef Noodles wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 22:38 Biane wrote:On January 20 2012 22:35 Beef Noodles wrote:On January 20 2012 22:32 zeru wrote:On January 20 2012 17:26 AndysRaulSioux wrote:
Safe to say that I'll never believe another post by Rekrul again. Sigh, this sc2 drama is so bad... Rekrul is pretty reliable as as source. But this time he was quite emotionally involved, he has been in every coach lee related things ever since TSL was created. I don't get how this discredits rekrul? He is just saying that some of the stuff he says can't be PROVEN and some of the stuff might have been exaggerated... He didn't lie... He doesn't have to lie. But basing his "facts" on rumors (some part of it, and don't say it doesn't matter, cause the rumors part affected Lee's reputation as a person) especially when its a matter that can affect the accused career is a serious thing. I'm sorry but it was obvious from the beginning that "video cameras" and "recording devices" would have to be hearsay from the players. Coach Lee did not run up to Rekrul and say "muhahahaha I plant camera camera see see!!!" If you took that as guaranteed fact and now realize that it may or may not be true, then you are stupid.
I'm sorry? You're joking right...? You can say "omg its obvious from the beginning" that it was going to be hearsay, but in a post where long time TL posters and admins defend/support Rekrul's statement, state that unless someone with evidence can prove otherwise, that what he said should be taken as the truth, i don't see how telling us now that that specific portion was obviously hearsay is a logical conclusion. If you think such then you're either biased, or stupid.
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On January 20 2012 22:56 brachester wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 22:50 Beef Noodles wrote:On January 20 2012 22:38 Biane wrote:On January 20 2012 22:35 Beef Noodles wrote:On January 20 2012 22:32 zeru wrote:On January 20 2012 17:26 AndysRaulSioux wrote:
Safe to say that I'll never believe another post by Rekrul again. Sigh, this sc2 drama is so bad... Rekrul is pretty reliable as as source. But this time he was quite emotionally involved, he has been in every coach lee related things ever since TSL was created. I don't get how this discredits rekrul? He is just saying that some of the stuff he says can't be PROVEN and some of the stuff might have been exaggerated... He didn't lie... He doesn't have to lie. But basing his "facts" on rumors (some part of it, and don't say it doesn't matter, cause the rumors part affected Lee's reputation as a person) especially when its a matter that can affect the accused career is a serious thing. I'm sorry but it was obvious from the beginning that "video cameras" and "recording devices" would have to be hearsay from the players. Coach Lee did not run up to Rekrul and say "muhahahaha I plant camera camera see see!!!" If you took that as guaranteed fact and now realize that it may or may not be true, then you are stupid. Learn to read, he didn't say the person he talked to told him that coach Lee directly telling him that, it was FD/Tester, considering they're living in the same house, it's a possibility. Though whether it's true or not, it's not that obvious.
That's exactly what I said. "hearsay from the players." Players = FD and tester. I'm going to stop talking to you now cause I'm really tired.
Thanks for the initial news, and thanks for being honest with the additional info. You the man Rekrul
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On January 20 2012 22:17 Xalorian wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 21:57 Longshank wrote:On January 20 2012 21:46 Xalorian wrote:On January 20 2012 21:36 RolleMcKnolle wrote:On January 20 2012 21:17 fritos wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 20 2012 13:40 Rekrul wrote:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=304512(thread is now deleted)I have corrected some errors in this thread. I would like to apologize to Coach Lee for stating a few things as if they were fact when they were merely rumors floating around among the Korean Pro's. Even though I feel it is obvious that Lee is completely hypocritical in all his recent dealings with the EG/Puma situation and the Fnatic/Alive situation, in fairness I owe it to him to correct these things that were stated: 1. Lee never actually 'came to oGs desperately' to live there. He did hang out at the oGs Sook-so often during those times though. 2. While the events of that day are accurate with Spunky angrily storming into the new TSL Sook-so trying to get his players back, the stuff with the video cameras was speculation from the people at the Sook-so that day. Spunky never claimed it as a fact to me, I had just heard it through the grapevine. 3. At that time FD/Tester decided to stay with TSL on their own interest. It was actually still in their best interest financially to stay with TSL considering their situation as described in the original thread. Lee wasn't blackmailing them. They just made a stupid decision on their part and when the dust settled they said their apologies to oGs and stayed with TSL. Once again, sorry Coach Lee for spreading misinformation and causing misunderstanding and possibly harming your reputation. Edit: having TL delete the entire thread as it is too libelous. Rekrul, Just WOW, floating rumors but told them like you witnessed everything. Only life is this easy. Making all the accusations of someone, ruining his reputation, and calling him out on something that never happened... but next day one apology in the tread makes it all go away. Both Your orignial post and your apology are translated and posted on PlayXP (Korean SC2 community site). And Koreans seem to be apalled and upset with your haste and thoughtless accusations. 2 things I don't feel right about: 1. When someone make an accusation like rekrul- you better have all of your facts, not what you heard from your friends, or "floating rumors" should not warrant an accusation of someone. And one apology on the very next day should not get him off the hook after he made all these fictional/ false accusations about someone. 2. so far, TL commmutiny seems to "overly" kind and generous about this- "thanks for the apology, you made it all clear to me now." .... come on. I know rekrul has been a credible source for a long time but this time he pulled this out of his ass. Can't imagine if the community would react the same way if it was Milkis or someone else. Exactly my thoughts. I was wondering the whole time why almost noone was at least slightly critical about Rekruls behaviour. What basically happened is that an important person just shitted all over someone else with only hear-say-"facts". This is just insulting towards Coach Lee. And it's all done because he apologized? lol... Are you guys fucking serious? The story is still exactly the same. Lee still stealed those two players way back then. Lee still acted like a total hypocrite lately and Lee still used is connection with oGs to steal them without talking to their manager. The only thing that changed is the part with the camera, that is more like a rumor now, but could still be completly true. Learn to read a bit more next time, please. If you don't get how Lee is still an hypocrite and a manipulator, i'm sorry for you. Rekrul never intented to misinform us. He was just pissed off so much that is tone was really angry and he stated some rumors as facts by mistake. The end. The story is still exactly the same and most of is post were not rumors but facts. And knowing how Lee printed some skype log from aLive pc, I would not be surprised if the camera thing was true, even tho it's just a rumor. Bolded the key word. It's still just a one-sided story with no evidence and people would be wise to treat it as such, which the existence of this thread proves. The only part that have no evidences is the part with a camera. That's it. Everything else does. How hard is that to understand? And obviously the part talking about is personality is an opinion... everyone knew that already. Do you ask for proof when someone tell you that he dislikes a band?
There's no evidence(as of now) that Lee 'stole' FD/Tester, just that they left oGs and teamed up with Lee. Rekrul gave his version of what happened but I wouldn't be surprised if Lee has a different view on it.
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On January 20 2012 22:58 Biane wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 22:50 Beef Noodles wrote:On January 20 2012 22:38 Biane wrote:On January 20 2012 22:35 Beef Noodles wrote:On January 20 2012 22:32 zeru wrote:On January 20 2012 17:26 AndysRaulSioux wrote:
Safe to say that I'll never believe another post by Rekrul again. Sigh, this sc2 drama is so bad... Rekrul is pretty reliable as as source. But this time he was quite emotionally involved, he has been in every coach lee related things ever since TSL was created. I don't get how this discredits rekrul? He is just saying that some of the stuff he says can't be PROVEN and some of the stuff might have been exaggerated... He didn't lie... He doesn't have to lie. But basing his "facts" on rumors (some part of it, and don't say it doesn't matter, cause the rumors part affected Lee's reputation as a person) especially when its a matter that can affect the accused career is a serious thing. I'm sorry but it was obvious from the beginning that "video cameras" and "recording devices" would have to be hearsay from the players. Coach Lee did not run up to Rekrul and say "muhahahaha I plant camera camera see see!!!" If you took that as guaranteed fact and now realize that it may or may not be true, then you are stupid. I'm sorry? You're joking right...? You can say "omg its obvious from the beginning" that it was going to be hearsay, but in a post where long time TL posters and admins defend/support Rekrul's statement, state that unless someone with evidence can prove otherwise, that what he said should be taken as the truth, i don't see how telling us now that that specific portion was obviously hearsay is a logical conclusion. If you think such then you're either biased, or stupid.
It is obvious hearsay. In what realist situation could he have ever gotten proof of that? Please explain it to me? If you can without doing major mental gymnastics, I'll say you are right
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I still know that Lee is a bad guy tho facts or not.
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On January 20 2012 23:06 RusHXceL wrote:
I still know that Lee is a bad guy tho facts or not.
Man that's some spooky psychic shit right there.
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Yeah... Problem now is that the story isn't "Lee is being pretty hypocritical when it comes to complaining about having his players stolen, given that this was how he got his top players in the first place," to "OMG IS LEE SUPER EVIL OR IS REEKRUL?"
So... oops?
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On January 20 2012 23:06 RusHXceL wrote:
I still know that Lee is a bad guy tho facts or not.
Ohh yeah ! Fuck that bad guy : - |
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but but but... you told me it was 100%fact omg! nah just jk, can't wait for the next update
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For me it doesn't change that much at all. I still think that what he did is unforgivable. And its all him destroying his reputation by causing problems.
But still thanks for the new info. I still agree with you Rekrul and still as mad respect to you for giving us the information.
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On January 20 2012 22:57 karpo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 22:48 Xalorian wrote:On January 20 2012 22:43 Biane wrote:On January 20 2012 22:39 Monsen wrote:On January 20 2012 21:36 RolleMcKnolle wrote:On January 20 2012 21:17 fritos wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 20 2012 13:40 Rekrul wrote:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=304512(thread is now deleted)I have corrected some errors in this thread. I would like to apologize to Coach Lee for stating a few things as if they were fact when they were merely rumors floating around among the Korean Pro's. Even though I feel it is obvious that Lee is completely hypocritical in all his recent dealings with the EG/Puma situation and the Fnatic/Alive situation, in fairness I owe it to him to correct these things that were stated: 1. Lee never actually 'came to oGs desperately' to live there. He did hang out at the oGs Sook-so often during those times though. 2. While the events of that day are accurate with Spunky angrily storming into the new TSL Sook-so trying to get his players back, the stuff with the video cameras was speculation from the people at the Sook-so that day. Spunky never claimed it as a fact to me, I had just heard it through the grapevine. 3. At that time FD/Tester decided to stay with TSL on their own interest. It was actually still in their best interest financially to stay with TSL considering their situation as described in the original thread. Lee wasn't blackmailing them. They just made a stupid decision on their part and when the dust settled they said their apologies to oGs and stayed with TSL. Once again, sorry Coach Lee for spreading misinformation and causing misunderstanding and possibly harming your reputation. Edit: having TL delete the entire thread as it is too libelous. Rekrul, Just WOW, floating rumors but told them like you witnessed everything. Only life is this easy. Making all the accusations of someone, ruining his reputation, and calling him out on something that never happened... but next day one apology in the tread makes it all go away. Both Your orignial post and your apology are translated and posted on PlayXP (Korean SC2 community site). And Koreans seem to be apalled and upset with your haste and thoughtless accusations. 2 things I don't feel right about: 1. When someone make an accusation like rekrul- you better have all of your facts, not what you heard from your friends, or "floating rumors" should not warrant an accusation of someone. And one apology on the very next day should not get him off the hook after he made all these fictional/ false accusations about someone. 2. so far, TL commmutiny seems to "overly" kind and generous about this- "thanks for the apology, you made it all clear to me now." .... come on. I know rekrul has been a credible source for a long time but this time he pulled this out of his ass. Can't imagine if the community would react the same way if it was Milkis or someone else. Exactly my thoughts. I was wondering the whole time why almost noone was at least slightly critical about Rekruls behaviour. What basically happened is that an important person just shitted all over someone else with only hear-say-"facts". This is just insulting towards Coach Lee. And it's all done because he apologized? lol... The only things that are "hear say" are the camera incident and the only incorrect thing is Coach Lees financial status when he was hanging out at Ogs' place. Both sure overexagerate the story (and probably were meant to) but they don't change the big picture at all. The fact that he poached players and later blamed everyone else for foul play whenever anything closely similar happened remains? Rekrul apologized for these (fairly minor imo) inaccuracies and since they reflect badly on his own reputation I assume he had the Op deleted. For someone fighting in the name of reason you sure jump to some weird conclusions. Both sure overexagerate the story (and probably were meant to) but they don't change the big picture at all. In fact, they change the often overlooked picture which is how we view Lee as a person. Sure Lee does some shady stuff, tries to grab players behind spunky's back but throw in blackmail (the camera thing) into the picture and no one will probably ever trust him again. We already know for a fact that he is monitoring is players computer and logging conversation that they have on skype... and since those logging program are not just logging skype conversation normally, I would guess that he pretty much log everything. So, we already know that he is a shady character that would do those type of things, even if the camera thing is true or not. You do know that companies do this all the time on company computers. It's not shady, it's commonly used by employers to protect themselves. http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2308363,00.asphttp://www.wisegeek.com/how-do-employers-monitor-internet-usage-at-work.htm
Monitoring your internet usage, making sure that no one is using your connection to download and upload illegal shit, sure.
Monitoring personnal skype/email/msn/etc is shady. And it was not on working hours, it was at night. He is living there, so Lee was pretty much monitoring aLive personnal computer, not is working computer, at this time.
I'm an IT/Network technician... I do monitor internet USAGE and bandwith usage, etc... but e-mail/skype/instant messaging... no way.
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On January 20 2012 22:57 karpo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 22:48 Xalorian wrote:On January 20 2012 22:43 Biane wrote:On January 20 2012 22:39 Monsen wrote:On January 20 2012 21:36 RolleMcKnolle wrote:On January 20 2012 21:17 fritos wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 20 2012 13:40 Rekrul wrote:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=304512(thread is now deleted)I have corrected some errors in this thread. I would like to apologize to Coach Lee for stating a few things as if they were fact when they were merely rumors floating around among the Korean Pro's. Even though I feel it is obvious that Lee is completely hypocritical in all his recent dealings with the EG/Puma situation and the Fnatic/Alive situation, in fairness I owe it to him to correct these things that were stated: 1. Lee never actually 'came to oGs desperately' to live there. He did hang out at the oGs Sook-so often during those times though. 2. While the events of that day are accurate with Spunky angrily storming into the new TSL Sook-so trying to get his players back, the stuff with the video cameras was speculation from the people at the Sook-so that day. Spunky never claimed it as a fact to me, I had just heard it through the grapevine. 3. At that time FD/Tester decided to stay with TSL on their own interest. It was actually still in their best interest financially to stay with TSL considering their situation as described in the original thread. Lee wasn't blackmailing them. They just made a stupid decision on their part and when the dust settled they said their apologies to oGs and stayed with TSL. Once again, sorry Coach Lee for spreading misinformation and causing misunderstanding and possibly harming your reputation. Edit: having TL delete the entire thread as it is too libelous. Rekrul, Just WOW, floating rumors but told them like you witnessed everything. Only life is this easy. Making all the accusations of someone, ruining his reputation, and calling him out on something that never happened... but next day one apology in the tread makes it all go away. Both Your orignial post and your apology are translated and posted on PlayXP (Korean SC2 community site). And Koreans seem to be apalled and upset with your haste and thoughtless accusations. 2 things I don't feel right about: 1. When someone make an accusation like rekrul- you better have all of your facts, not what you heard from your friends, or "floating rumors" should not warrant an accusation of someone. And one apology on the very next day should not get him off the hook after he made all these fictional/ false accusations about someone. 2. so far, TL commmutiny seems to "overly" kind and generous about this- "thanks for the apology, you made it all clear to me now." .... come on. I know rekrul has been a credible source for a long time but this time he pulled this out of his ass. Can't imagine if the community would react the same way if it was Milkis or someone else. Exactly my thoughts. I was wondering the whole time why almost noone was at least slightly critical about Rekruls behaviour. What basically happened is that an important person just shitted all over someone else with only hear-say-"facts". This is just insulting towards Coach Lee. And it's all done because he apologized? lol... The only things that are "hear say" are the camera incident and the only incorrect thing is Coach Lees financial status when he was hanging out at Ogs' place. Both sure overexagerate the story (and probably were meant to) but they don't change the big picture at all. The fact that he poached players and later blamed everyone else for foul play whenever anything closely similar happened remains? Rekrul apologized for these (fairly minor imo) inaccuracies and since they reflect badly on his own reputation I assume he had the Op deleted. For someone fighting in the name of reason you sure jump to some weird conclusions. Both sure overexagerate the story (and probably were meant to) but they don't change the big picture at all. In fact, they change the often overlooked picture which is how we view Lee as a person. Sure Lee does some shady stuff, tries to grab players behind spunky's back but throw in blackmail (the camera thing) into the picture and no one will probably ever trust him again. We already know for a fact that he is monitoring is players computer and logging conversation that they have on skype... and since those logging program are not just logging skype conversation normally, I would guess that he pretty much log everything. So, we already know that he is a shady character that would do those type of things, even if the camera thing is true or not. You do know that companies do this all the time on company computers. It's not shady, it's commonly used by employers to protect themselves. http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2308363,00.asphttp://www.wisegeek.com/how-do-employers-monitor-internet-usage-at-work.htm
It's illegal in Korea.
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On January 20 2012 22:49 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 22:41 Monsen wrote:On January 20 2012 22:39 zeru wrote:On January 20 2012 22:35 Beef Noodles wrote:On January 20 2012 22:32 zeru wrote:On January 20 2012 17:26 AndysRaulSioux wrote:
Safe to say that I'll never believe another post by Rekrul again. Sigh, this sc2 drama is so bad... Rekrul is pretty reliable as as source. But this time he was quite emotionally involved, he has been in every coach lee related things ever since TSL was created. I don't get how this discredits rekrul? He is just saying that some of the stuff he says can't be PROVEN and some of the stuff might have been exaggerated... He didn't lie... You can call exaggerating whatever you want, but it's a type of lying, it's a false statement. Oh yeah, let's get into a philosophical debate about THE TRUTH. Inaccurate statements = lies = person is a liar etc. So is everyone else since it has been shown that the average person lies about 200 times a day. You dont really get the point. Admins said in the last thread something along the lines of "take everything rekrul says as unbiased truth" when it turns out it wasnt at all anything close to that, and there were some biased bans because of it. No need to keep white knighting rekrul, he knows he did wrong trying to get his point across and apologized, and his point still stands, and chill also made a statement about the bans earlier as well. There's no such thing as unbiased truth when you are that emotionally involved. anyway i saw a post like this coming from miles away when i saw the original thread. People love to bandwagon and get their pitchforks.
No Admin ever said such a thing. There's another "lie" for you to get upset about. It was Chill, who is a moderator, not an admin, who made the "getting tired of warning, accept it as truth unless you can prove otherwise" statement. Also he retracted this very statement just minutes later. The admins just stated that Rekrul is a very reliable source and has been 100% correct so far.
And the bans were almost exclusively for how some people voiced their doubts. In fact Kennigits first post started with something along the lines of "people are being reasonably doubtful but Rek has been right so far etc". Many posters voiced similar concerns and were not warned or anything.
And as long as you are a subject, your "truth" will always be subjective, so there.
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Well, this is a pretty ridiculous thing to do. If you took the time to remake the post ~24 hours later and apologize, it would've been simpler for you to inform yourself correctly before making the initial post.
It was defended harshly by admins and veterans yesterday as fact and, apology or not, leading people astray from hearsay that you didn't even verify is not really acceptable IMO. It wasn't posted as actual news on TL so that's the only saving grace here but it's no secret that TL endorsed the post.
We've had bad translations from members before that caused problems and I took their apology because it was a clear mistake and he wasn't a staff/half-staff member being backed by admins. You might get more privileges on the site being who you are, but you also have more responsibilities when making such a post. I'm sure you didn't do it on purpose, but it will have a lasting effect on TSL/Lee.
I'm happy I don't care about this drama, because at this point it's all too shady to follow logically.
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On January 20 2012 23:02 Beef Noodles wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 22:58 Biane wrote:On January 20 2012 22:50 Beef Noodles wrote:On January 20 2012 22:38 Biane wrote:On January 20 2012 22:35 Beef Noodles wrote:On January 20 2012 22:32 zeru wrote:On January 20 2012 17:26 AndysRaulSioux wrote:
Safe to say that I'll never believe another post by Rekrul again. Sigh, this sc2 drama is so bad... Rekrul is pretty reliable as as source. But this time he was quite emotionally involved, he has been in every coach lee related things ever since TSL was created. I don't get how this discredits rekrul? He is just saying that some of the stuff he says can't be PROVEN and some of the stuff might have been exaggerated... He didn't lie... He doesn't have to lie. But basing his "facts" on rumors (some part of it, and don't say it doesn't matter, cause the rumors part affected Lee's reputation as a person) especially when its a matter that can affect the accused career is a serious thing. I'm sorry but it was obvious from the beginning that "video cameras" and "recording devices" would have to be hearsay from the players. Coach Lee did not run up to Rekrul and say "muhahahaha I plant camera camera see see!!!" If you took that as guaranteed fact and now realize that it may or may not be true, then you are stupid. I'm sorry? You're joking right...? You can say "omg its obvious from the beginning" that it was going to be hearsay, but in a post where long time TL posters and admins defend/support Rekrul's statement, state that unless someone with evidence can prove otherwise, that what he said should be taken as the truth, i don't see how telling us now that that specific portion was obviously hearsay is a logical conclusion. If you think such then you're either biased, or stupid. It is obvious hearsay. In what realist situation could he have ever gotten proof of that? Please explain it to me? If you can without doing major mental gymnastics, I'll say you are right
wow. Straw man arguments for the win. I wasn't talking about how whether Rekrul could have gotten proof of the camera (oh i dont know, maybe someone like FD or tester could have told him for all we know) or whether we could have gotten proof of whether what Rekrul say about the camera. I was talking about the circumstances going on during the previous thread (admins/long term posters backing) that gives strength to Rekrul's statement to the point that we should all consider it as truth even if some parts of it could be considered hearsay.
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Personally I don't think the previous thread should have been deleted. Maybe a disclaimer at the top would be enough. However, the stuff in the previous thread was important, even if it's "just what all the players in the scene know," it's still important information before people decide to support the team, sometimes financially.
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