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So what Rekrul meant to say was, Sorry I was really really drunk and said some stuff I didn't mean...can I take it back? Cool...thanks!
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On January 20 2012 21:46 Xalorian wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 21:36 RolleMcKnolle wrote:On January 20 2012 21:17 fritos wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 20 2012 13:40 Rekrul wrote:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=304512(thread is now deleted)I have corrected some errors in this thread. I would like to apologize to Coach Lee for stating a few things as if they were fact when they were merely rumors floating around among the Korean Pro's. Even though I feel it is obvious that Lee is completely hypocritical in all his recent dealings with the EG/Puma situation and the Fnatic/Alive situation, in fairness I owe it to him to correct these things that were stated: 1. Lee never actually 'came to oGs desperately' to live there. He did hang out at the oGs Sook-so often during those times though. 2. While the events of that day are accurate with Spunky angrily storming into the new TSL Sook-so trying to get his players back, the stuff with the video cameras was speculation from the people at the Sook-so that day. Spunky never claimed it as a fact to me, I had just heard it through the grapevine. 3. At that time FD/Tester decided to stay with TSL on their own interest. It was actually still in their best interest financially to stay with TSL considering their situation as described in the original thread. Lee wasn't blackmailing them. They just made a stupid decision on their part and when the dust settled they said their apologies to oGs and stayed with TSL. Once again, sorry Coach Lee for spreading misinformation and causing misunderstanding and possibly harming your reputation. Edit: having TL delete the entire thread as it is too libelous. Rekrul, Just WOW, floating rumors but told them like you witnessed everything. Only life is this easy. Making all the accusations of someone, ruining his reputation, and calling him out on something that never happened... but next day one apology in the tread makes it all go away. Both Your orignial post and your apology are translated and posted on PlayXP (Korean SC2 community site). And Koreans seem to be apalled and upset with your haste and thoughtless accusations. 2 things I don't feel right about: 1. When someone make an accusation like rekrul- you better have all of your facts, not what you heard from your friends, or "floating rumors" should not warrant an accusation of someone. And one apology on the very next day should not get him off the hook after he made all these fictional/ false accusations about someone. 2. so far, TL commmutiny seems to "overly" kind and generous about this- "thanks for the apology, you made it all clear to me now." .... come on. I know rekrul has been a credible source for a long time but this time he pulled this out of his ass. Can't imagine if the community would react the same way if it was Milkis or someone else. Exactly my thoughts. I was wondering the whole time why almost noone was at least slightly critical about Rekruls behaviour. What basically happened is that an important person just shitted all over someone else with only hear-say-"facts". This is just insulting towards Coach Lee. And it's all done because he apologized? lol... Are you guys fucking serious? The story is still exactly the same. Lee still stealed those two players way back then. Lee still acted like a total hypocrite lately and Lee still used is connection with oGs to steal them without talking to their manager. The only thing that changed is the part with the camera, that is more like a rumor now, but could still be completly true. Learn to read a bit more next time, please. If you don't get how Lee is still an hypocrite and a manipulator, i'm sorry for you. Rekrul never intented to misinform us. He was just pissed off so much that is tone was really angry and he stated some rumors as facts by mistake. The end. The story is still exactly the same and most of is post were not rumors but facts. And knowing how Lee printed some skype log from aLive pc, I would not be surprised if the camera thing was true, even tho it's just a rumor.
No, it could have been completely different, people wouldn't have bashed Lee as bad they have. Sure, he was hyprocrite with all these players transfering lately but what Rekrul did was not only showing that, but he was also painting a very bad picture of Lee as a PERSON.
Edit: In short, his post was no different than "Coach Lee is hyprocrite, and he's a jerk. I don't have any evidence but my angry friend told me so it should be true"
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On January 20 2012 21:46 Xalorian wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 21:36 RolleMcKnolle wrote:On January 20 2012 21:17 fritos wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 20 2012 13:40 Rekrul wrote:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=304512(thread is now deleted)I have corrected some errors in this thread. I would like to apologize to Coach Lee for stating a few things as if they were fact when they were merely rumors floating around among the Korean Pro's. Even though I feel it is obvious that Lee is completely hypocritical in all his recent dealings with the EG/Puma situation and the Fnatic/Alive situation, in fairness I owe it to him to correct these things that were stated: 1. Lee never actually 'came to oGs desperately' to live there. He did hang out at the oGs Sook-so often during those times though. 2. While the events of that day are accurate with Spunky angrily storming into the new TSL Sook-so trying to get his players back, the stuff with the video cameras was speculation from the people at the Sook-so that day. Spunky never claimed it as a fact to me, I had just heard it through the grapevine. 3. At that time FD/Tester decided to stay with TSL on their own interest. It was actually still in their best interest financially to stay with TSL considering their situation as described in the original thread. Lee wasn't blackmailing them. They just made a stupid decision on their part and when the dust settled they said their apologies to oGs and stayed with TSL. Once again, sorry Coach Lee for spreading misinformation and causing misunderstanding and possibly harming your reputation. Edit: having TL delete the entire thread as it is too libelous. Rekrul, Just WOW, floating rumors but told them like you witnessed everything. Only life is this easy. Making all the accusations of someone, ruining his reputation, and calling him out on something that never happened... but next day one apology in the tread makes it all go away. Both Your orignial post and your apology are translated and posted on PlayXP (Korean SC2 community site). And Koreans seem to be apalled and upset with your haste and thoughtless accusations. 2 things I don't feel right about: 1. When someone make an accusation like rekrul- you better have all of your facts, not what you heard from your friends, or "floating rumors" should not warrant an accusation of someone. And one apology on the very next day should not get him off the hook after he made all these fictional/ false accusations about someone. 2. so far, TL commmutiny seems to "overly" kind and generous about this- "thanks for the apology, you made it all clear to me now." .... come on. I know rekrul has been a credible source for a long time but this time he pulled this out of his ass. Can't imagine if the community would react the same way if it was Milkis or someone else. Exactly my thoughts. I was wondering the whole time why almost noone was at least slightly critical about Rekruls behaviour. What basically happened is that an important person just shitted all over someone else with only hear-say-"facts". This is just insulting towards Coach Lee. And it's all done because he apologized? lol... Are you guys fucking serious? The story is still exactly the same. Lee still stealed those two players way back then. Lee still acted like a total hypocrite lately and Lee still used is connection with oGs to steal them without talking to their manager. The only thing that changed is the part with the camera, that is more like a rumor now, but could still be completly true. Learn to read a bit more next time, please. If you don't get how Lee is still an hypocrite and a manipulator, i'm sorry for you. Rekrul never intented to misinform us. He was just pissed off so much that is tone was really angry and he stated some rumors as facts by mistake. The end. The story is still exactly the same and most of is post were not rumors but facts. And knowing how Lee printed some skype log from aLive pc, I would not be surprised if the camera thing was true, even tho it's just a rumor.
First of all, I'm not defending Coach lee.
All I'm saying is person A made several accusations about person B, finding out some of the accusations were nothing but rumors.
In his original post, he presented all these accusations as facts. Whether he never intended to misinform us or not, he accused someone of things that never happened. If you are fine with someone making fictional accusations as long as some of them are true, we have nothing to talk about.
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On January 20 2012 21:46 Xalorian wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 21:36 RolleMcKnolle wrote:On January 20 2012 21:17 fritos wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 20 2012 13:40 Rekrul wrote:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=304512(thread is now deleted)I have corrected some errors in this thread. I would like to apologize to Coach Lee for stating a few things as if they were fact when they were merely rumors floating around among the Korean Pro's. Even though I feel it is obvious that Lee is completely hypocritical in all his recent dealings with the EG/Puma situation and the Fnatic/Alive situation, in fairness I owe it to him to correct these things that were stated: 1. Lee never actually 'came to oGs desperately' to live there. He did hang out at the oGs Sook-so often during those times though. 2. While the events of that day are accurate with Spunky angrily storming into the new TSL Sook-so trying to get his players back, the stuff with the video cameras was speculation from the people at the Sook-so that day. Spunky never claimed it as a fact to me, I had just heard it through the grapevine. 3. At that time FD/Tester decided to stay with TSL on their own interest. It was actually still in their best interest financially to stay with TSL considering their situation as described in the original thread. Lee wasn't blackmailing them. They just made a stupid decision on their part and when the dust settled they said their apologies to oGs and stayed with TSL. Once again, sorry Coach Lee for spreading misinformation and causing misunderstanding and possibly harming your reputation. Edit: having TL delete the entire thread as it is too libelous. Rekrul, Just WOW, floating rumors but told them like you witnessed everything. Only life is this easy. Making all the accusations of someone, ruining his reputation, and calling him out on something that never happened... but next day one apology in the tread makes it all go away. Both Your orignial post and your apology are translated and posted on PlayXP (Korean SC2 community site). And Koreans seem to be apalled and upset with your haste and thoughtless accusations. 2 things I don't feel right about: 1. When someone make an accusation like rekrul- you better have all of your facts, not what you heard from your friends, or "floating rumors" should not warrant an accusation of someone. And one apology on the very next day should not get him off the hook after he made all these fictional/ false accusations about someone. 2. so far, TL commmutiny seems to "overly" kind and generous about this- "thanks for the apology, you made it all clear to me now." .... come on. I know rekrul has been a credible source for a long time but this time he pulled this out of his ass. Can't imagine if the community would react the same way if it was Milkis or someone else. Exactly my thoughts. I was wondering the whole time why almost noone was at least slightly critical about Rekruls behaviour. What basically happened is that an important person just shitted all over someone else with only hear-say-"facts". This is just insulting towards Coach Lee. And it's all done because he apologized? lol... Are you guys fucking serious? The story is still exactly the same. Lee still stealed those two players way back then. Lee still acted like a total hypocrite lately and Lee still used is connection with oGs to steal them without talking to their manager. The only thing that changed is the part with the camera, that is more like a rumor now, but could still be completly true. Learn to read a bit more next time, please. If you don't get how Lee is still an hypocrite and a manipulator, i'm sorry for you. Rekrul never intented to misinform us. He was just pissed off so much that is tone was really angry and he stated some rumors as facts by mistake. The end. The story is still exactly the same and most of is post were not rumors but facts. And knowing how Lee printed some skype log from aLive pc, I would not be surprised if the camera thing was true, even tho it's just a rumor.
Bolded the key word. It's still just a one-sided story with no evidence and people would be wise to treat it as such, which the existence of this thread proves.
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On January 20 2012 21:43 karpo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 20:43 Angelbelow wrote:On January 20 2012 20:22 brachester wrote:On January 20 2012 20:18 Piledriver wrote:
I don't know about anything else, but there seems to be some fundamental integrity problems with Coach Lee, based on just the player interviews (both during the Puma incident as well as the current Alive incident).
In both the cases, the coach behaves differently and acts nicely in front of the players. For example with Puma, he even congratulated on his NASL victory and assured him that the conflicts have been resolved through talks. Then immediately the next day he releases a statement crying wolf about EG going behind his back.
In the aLive case as well, he seemed to have sweet talked with alive and said that he would let him leave once he paid the transfer fee. But the next day he turns around and does a huge press release about fnatic poaching his player, and about dragging alive to the court.
I get the feeling that he is seriously bipolar.
Edit: I'm going to reserve judgement on Sangho's tweets. There may be other factors at play here which we may not be aware of. i think something is wrong here as well. But when you think about it, it doesn't make sense. Why would he act nice in front of his player for anyway if he's going to release the statement like you said anyway? there's definitely something loss in translation. There are a lot of possibilities, hes bi-polar, two-faced, afraid to face his players with his true feelings, the players lied about Lee's reaction, or he had a sudden change of heart but decided to goto the media instead of talking with the people involved. Who knows? There are definitely more reasons, but very few of them paint Lee in a positive light. Why are you so invested in painting Lee in a bad light? You're one of the most active posters that's anti Lee in both this and the original thread. I'm not defending the guy but i just can't understand why you care enough to argue about this over and over when there's still mostly hearsay and rumors going around.
Because I currently have the time to do so. Soon I'll be too busy to stay active so I'm doing that now.
You can consider me an anti-Lee and until proven otherwise I'll remain this way. This guy tried to sabotage PuMas deal and now hes trying screw over aLive. I'm painting Lee with my observations, that happens to be negative, and if I have the time to share it, I will.
Btw, going to sleep soon I'll catch you tomorrow Karpo!
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why would you make that stuff up....
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On January 20 2012 21:39 jellyjello wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 21:35 Ilvy wrote:On January 20 2012 21:08 jellyjello wrote:
What I think is really stupid is that people are treating TL as if it's an official news organization, and taking whatever is being thrown at them as if they are the absolute truth. Just some ppl know the truth just can´t make it public without any harm, if you would be able to read between the lines you would know it Wrong. The fact is that there are always more than one side of the story. This is where a proper journalism comes in, those who are trained and paid to perform such services, the ones that provide what we call "news". It has nothing to do with reading between the lines.
Rekrul wrote it a s private person and not in name of Teamliquid, so it is not journalism since it was not a official news.
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You're no better in creating horrible threads then any other Sc2 General Poster.
Spreading false stuff like you did is pretty disgusting and I hope a simple apology makes up for it for Coach Lee (allthough this guy is still a douchebag).
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i dont think people get it. if someone reports that savior was matchfixing but also randomly throws in he forced people at gunpoint to throw games for drama your saying the story is the same?
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Translating Killer's tweet:
I wanted to sit this one out, but I know what it feels like to be witch-hunted so I'm speaking up. All the writings about him are all misunderstandings and truth-twisted words. I swear to my professional gaming life that he is not such a man as they describe him to be.
I'm not saying Rekrul made a false accusation or Lee is as clean as a bleached white bedsheet. What I'm saying is that everyone would do well to remember that this is not an official news site, but rather a public forum where one's opinion is all that matters.
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On January 20 2012 22:07 jellyjello wrote:
Translating Killer's tweet:
I wanted to sit this one out, but I know what it feels like to be witch-hunted so I'm speaking up. All the writings about him are all misunderstandings and truth-twisted words. I swear to my professional gaming life that he is not such a man as they describe him to be.
I'm not saying Rekrul made a false accusation or Lee is as clean as a bleached white bedsheet. What I'm saying is that everyone would do well to remember that this is not an official news site, but rather a public forum where one's opinion is all that matters.
But.. but.. This is Rekrul and his opinion is.. uhh.. i don't known anymore _______________
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I wish I could type whatever I wanted and get the thread to stay...
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On January 20 2012 21:58 Ilvy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 21:39 jellyjello wrote:On January 20 2012 21:35 Ilvy wrote:On January 20 2012 21:08 jellyjello wrote:
What I think is really stupid is that people are treating TL as if it's an official news organization, and taking whatever is being thrown at them as if they are the absolute truth. Just some ppl know the truth just can´t make it public without any harm, if you would be able to read between the lines you would know it Wrong. The fact is that there are always more than one side of the story. This is where a proper journalism comes in, those who are trained and paid to perform such services, the ones that provide what we call "news". It has nothing to do with reading between the lines. Rekrul wrote it a s private person and not in name of Teamliquid, so it is not journalism since it was not a official news.
You don't get it, do you? TL is not an official news organization no matter who posts it. It's just a place where SC2 lovers can get together over internet. Just because someone "private" posted something doesn't make it an absolute truth.
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On January 20 2012 22:10 Utinni wrote:
I wish I could type whatever I wanted and get the thread to stay...
Except it was deleted 
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On January 20 2012 22:11 Cokefreak wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 22:10 Utinni wrote:
I wish I could type whatever I wanted and get the thread to stay... Except it was deleted
HE fixed it at his OWN will (edit: he got TL to delete the whole thing), not the mods deleting randomly. He realized he messed up, and posted incorrect information.
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On January 20 2012 21:57 Longshank wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 21:46 Xalorian wrote:On January 20 2012 21:36 RolleMcKnolle wrote:On January 20 2012 21:17 fritos wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 20 2012 13:40 Rekrul wrote:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=304512(thread is now deleted)I have corrected some errors in this thread. I would like to apologize to Coach Lee for stating a few things as if they were fact when they were merely rumors floating around among the Korean Pro's. Even though I feel it is obvious that Lee is completely hypocritical in all his recent dealings with the EG/Puma situation and the Fnatic/Alive situation, in fairness I owe it to him to correct these things that were stated: 1. Lee never actually 'came to oGs desperately' to live there. He did hang out at the oGs Sook-so often during those times though. 2. While the events of that day are accurate with Spunky angrily storming into the new TSL Sook-so trying to get his players back, the stuff with the video cameras was speculation from the people at the Sook-so that day. Spunky never claimed it as a fact to me, I had just heard it through the grapevine. 3. At that time FD/Tester decided to stay with TSL on their own interest. It was actually still in their best interest financially to stay with TSL considering their situation as described in the original thread. Lee wasn't blackmailing them. They just made a stupid decision on their part and when the dust settled they said their apologies to oGs and stayed with TSL. Once again, sorry Coach Lee for spreading misinformation and causing misunderstanding and possibly harming your reputation. Edit: having TL delete the entire thread as it is too libelous. Rekrul, Just WOW, floating rumors but told them like you witnessed everything. Only life is this easy. Making all the accusations of someone, ruining his reputation, and calling him out on something that never happened... but next day one apology in the tread makes it all go away. Both Your orignial post and your apology are translated and posted on PlayXP (Korean SC2 community site). And Koreans seem to be apalled and upset with your haste and thoughtless accusations. 2 things I don't feel right about: 1. When someone make an accusation like rekrul- you better have all of your facts, not what you heard from your friends, or "floating rumors" should not warrant an accusation of someone. And one apology on the very next day should not get him off the hook after he made all these fictional/ false accusations about someone. 2. so far, TL commmutiny seems to "overly" kind and generous about this- "thanks for the apology, you made it all clear to me now." .... come on. I know rekrul has been a credible source for a long time but this time he pulled this out of his ass. Can't imagine if the community would react the same way if it was Milkis or someone else. Exactly my thoughts. I was wondering the whole time why almost noone was at least slightly critical about Rekruls behaviour. What basically happened is that an important person just shitted all over someone else with only hear-say-"facts". This is just insulting towards Coach Lee. And it's all done because he apologized? lol... Are you guys fucking serious? The story is still exactly the same. Lee still stealed those two players way back then. Lee still acted like a total hypocrite lately and Lee still used is connection with oGs to steal them without talking to their manager. The only thing that changed is the part with the camera, that is more like a rumor now, but could still be completly true. Learn to read a bit more next time, please. If you don't get how Lee is still an hypocrite and a manipulator, i'm sorry for you. Rekrul never intented to misinform us. He was just pissed off so much that is tone was really angry and he stated some rumors as facts by mistake. The end. The story is still exactly the same and most of is post were not rumors but facts. And knowing how Lee printed some skype log from aLive pc, I would not be surprised if the camera thing was true, even tho it's just a rumor. Bolded the key word. It's still just a one-sided story with no evidence and people would be wise to treat it as such, which the existence of this thread proves.
The only part that have no evidences is the part with a camera. That's it. Everything else does. How hard is that to understand?
And obviously the part talking about is personality is an opinion... everyone knew that already. Do you ask for proof when someone tell you that he dislikes a band?
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Oh and Killer aka Sangho about the match fixing scandal , he was accused for match fixing with the likes of savior and co , hence why he related this scenario of coach lee being the bad guy to his accusation of being a match fixer .
More details about the accusation when Sangho was interviewed can be found here .
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=131156
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On January 20 2012 22:10 Utinni wrote:
I wish I could type whatever I wanted and get the thread to stay...
Then maybe you should have contributed to this site for 6+ years bringing insider info from korea
christ, some people.
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So now do people understand why believing everything you hear, even when spoken by "reputable sources" right off the bat, with zero evidence, is a bad thing.? Glad this was cleared up, and still even puts a negative tone on Coach Lee. But Honestly I don't give a shit about the drama people want to stir up. I'd rather just watch the games and enjoy myself. I'll let you all try to drag each-other down, even though we're all working towards the same goal.
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This is hilarious. What a joke.
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