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Facts of TSL Coach Lee vs FruitDealer/Trickster

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Sleeep
Profile Joined January 2011
Turkey37 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-04 16:13:54
August 04 2011 16:08 GMT
#1
[image loading]

As you can see in this picture,fruitdealer/trickster only come practice house for dress change.They were not even in practice house until 35 days.How can you pay for this guys? LOL!

Just thinking;

You are a boss of a company,
Your 2 workers only come 10 days out of 45.
Your other workers training/working so hard with low salary/without salary than this 2 worker.
This 2 worker want their 1.5 month(45 days) salary without doing anything.
Can you pay for this guys?

If you watched Hyung Joon becomes a pro gamer,you can see how naive guy is Coach Lee.
Please be patient about Coach Lee.This guy is most experienced starcraft 2 manager,ex-MBCGameHero Coach,believe his decisions.

Cu

SOURCE : http://sc2tsl.com/bbs/board.php?bo_table=61&wr_id=2016&page=0&sca=&sfl=&stx=&sst=&sod=&spt=0&page=0


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moonmeh from r/starcraft did a speed translation

Okay gonna go through TSL's reponse bit by bit(prime)


The reason for leaving the association.


There was a lot defamation and exaggeration during the meeting along with a lot of lies


Despite the fact that it was supposed to be an arbitary meeting, the comittee ignored much of Coach Lee's statements and intentions.


The lack of a strong unbiased discussion process


The fact that this was judged so quickly by Tricker's views is regretful. We could not appeal the decision done by the comittee.

TSL

I believe that the decision could have been made after TSL and I making an announcement on our opinion
(bwah so much technical terms)

In addition, afer the results we came to the conclusion it would be impossible to appeal and judged that it would be better if after making a decision we were able to appeal after 3 days as it makes it less biased and prejudiced.


The reason why FD and Tricker did not recieve their final payment.


Due to their attitude actions which hurt their team mates such as not being interested in team rebuilding and ect, the coach and the players decided that there would be no need to give the final payment. That duration was for a month


Thus we decided that before the 2 player's payment, the livelihood of the TSL players would come first.


This was worse due how we were low on maintenance fees and getting additional loans. I am not ashamed of how I did my team organization.


Model, in this case the ads


About the ads, due to those players leaving we brought up the idea of changing it, but due to the fact that the content was created while they were in TSl and the fact that it takes a while to modify the ads made it that it would take a lot of time to change the ads.

. Currently this is finished by modifying the conten by utilizing money. (god this sound awkward)

TSL

The players of TSL and the coach agree with those statements above and addition agree with leaving the association and currently busy with focusing on GSL and GSTL.

Sorry to give this regretful news and thank you to those who were worried about us.


TSL

In addition(As an after thought) to the players preparing for the tournaments, the patches for the maps are very important. The fact that you always give these information late only to TSL players is very disappointing.

TSL Coach Lee


ps: I'm not the talker with TSL Coach Lee as shown in screenshot.A Turkish friend of TSL Coach Lee requested me to do this , topic and screenshot from him.
ELA
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark4608 Posts
August 04 2011 16:11 GMT
#2
Where is that picture from? Who took that? And was Coach Lee aware of this being used in this way?
The first link of chain forged, the first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.
ronpaul012
Profile Joined March 2011
United States769 Posts
August 04 2011 16:13 GMT
#3
Well, your assuming that these 2 players only did show up the amount coach lee is saying. I think he's lost the benefit of the doubt to be honest. And second of all, he should have paid them, and then cut ties with them, not the opposite way around. You can't use these guys in advertisements, where your getting paid, then not pay them and then cut ties with them.

Even if what coach lee is saying is true, he's still in the wrong for not paying them for what they have done.
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ch33psh33p
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
7650 Posts
August 04 2011 16:14 GMT
#4
Coach Lee has been poorly victmized by this situation, I can tell he really is a good guy at heart, its just first the players take advantage of him, and then SC2Con gangs up on him, and now he's in a lose/lose position
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Janitor
Profile Joined November 2010
United States227 Posts
August 04 2011 16:14 GMT
#5
Not showing up for 45 days seems like reasonable grounds to withold money, but not without prior knowledge.
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tuho12345
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
4482 Posts
August 04 2011 16:15 GMT
#6
Nope, I won't pay them either. To me, I feel Like FD and Tester are just too lazy in practicing, they haven't have any result for so long.
darkcloud8282
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada776 Posts
August 04 2011 16:15 GMT
#7
He might not have liked the decision but he shouldn't go crying about it. Legally he broke rules and didn't pay his employees and used them in ads after they were no longer part of TSL. Obviously we don't know the exact terms of their contracts, but based on the ruling, we can probably say the TSL coach violated the terms.
3772
Profile Joined May 2010
Czech Republic434 Posts
August 04 2011 16:17 GMT
#8
Interesting. If he wanted them to come to the team house more often, he should have specified something (like required practice time) about it in the contract? Not agreeing with someone's decisions doesn't give him any right to withhold their salary.
dondo
Profile Joined September 2010
United States53 Posts
August 04 2011 16:17 GMT
#9
This is the thing i dont like about the issue, this is the result of what people were railing about during the puma/eg thing. Not having contracts can kill an orginization. The order of events with a contract goes as follows. FD and trickster disobey the contract by not training, the coach then uses fines/ sues/ other legal ramifications. This is why in a post awile ago i talked about the saftey of the players/ organizations by using contracts. Hopefully when this gets done the team is still intact and the players dont have ruines reputations.
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zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
August 04 2011 16:18 GMT
#10
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Beyonder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands15103 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-04 16:23:47
August 04 2011 16:23 GMT
#11
But then the question is, why did they not visit the teamhouse? This is something that we will also hear soon I'm sure. Dont base your opinion on one part of the story too swiftly.

And whoever this is sure has a lot of nerdy games hahaha
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Skarmory
Profile Joined May 2011
112 Posts
August 04 2011 16:23 GMT
#12
It is easy to say that. Does he have any actual proof? For being such a victim in everything, he likes to spout off about stuff. Everything with EG seemed okay with him until he randomly exploded. Everything with these two players seemed okay, until he had to pay them what he owed. Simply having his word does not make it so...
MandoRelease
Profile Joined October 2010
France374 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-04 16:25:38
August 04 2011 16:23 GMT
#13
Since there is the word "facts" in the title i expected a lot more than a screen shot of a skype conversation. I think coach Lee is old enough to give us his version himself.
Could you please explain what you seek to discuss with that ? there's already a thread if all you wanted to do was to give your opinion.
When you play the game of drones, you win or you die. There is no middle ground. Huge IMLosirA fan.
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-04 16:27:16
August 04 2011 16:26 GMT
#14
This doesn't deserve its own thread, stop propagating more waves than needed.

Also, people need to stop assuming the worst. Coach Lee is probably not completely in the wrong, but FD/Trickster (and SC2PA) are not completely wrong either. Everyone exaggerates. There's probably a middle ground where everyone is right and wrong in one way or another.

On August 05 2011 01:23 Beyonder wrote:
But then the question is, why did they not visit the teamhouse? This is something that we will also hear soon I'm sure. Dont base your opinion on one part of the story too swiftly.

And whoever this is sure has a lot of nerdy games hahaha

But he uses Norton
/lookofdisapproval
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Deyster
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Jordan579 Posts
August 04 2011 16:26 GMT
#15
Aren't those players contracted? Shouldn't the contract state such details as how much practice they need to put in and their involvement in the team house and such? I really don't understand.
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{ToT}ColmA
Profile Joined November 2007
Japan3260 Posts
August 04 2011 16:27 GMT
#16
what is up the this shit, every next week i look at tl to find some freaking drama...its disgusting
The only virgins in kpop left are the fans
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
August 04 2011 16:29 GMT
#17
On August 05 2011 01:27 {ToT}ColmA wrote:
what is up the this shit, every next week i look at tl to find some freaking drama...its disgusting


People feed off drama. I think that's also partly why the scene exploded so much. All that drama.
Herculix
Profile Joined May 2010
United States946 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-04 16:31:52
August 04 2011 16:30 GMT
#18
picture doesn't load for me. feel like i'm missing out on a valuable part of this thread that makes it more than some guy wanting to make his own thread for his opinion. either way, coach lee is dumb for picking up trickster and FD if his assumption that he would suddenly turn 2 guys who left oGs over being forced to practice into guys who would be into training. the only difference between then and now is that back then, FD and trickster were barely training and owning people, and now they are barely training and getting owned by people who train harder. feels like he was only getting mad because their lack of training suddenly stopped working like it should've and they can't be a billboard for his team, and now that they aren't useful, fuck em.

afaik even without training hard, they did pretty well (i can't remember when they left TSL so idk how well they were doing), and you are making money off of their accomplishments and fame. they deserve to be paid. even if they had shit results, and even if you weren't making money off of them, you should still pay them their dues because they were receiving a salary you agreed to pay, and then kick them promptly before you keep them around long enough to have to pay for them again if you aren't satisfied with the previous arrangement that you paid almost the entire amount of.

to me, you're a two faced lying mother fucker if you want to go around all naive and innocent using handshake deals, but then not uphold your end of the bargain when it doesn't suit you, and fuck all of you guys in this thread who would say "LOL wouldn't pay em either." yea, i bet if you could take advantage of your non-contracted players who made your team worth mentioning when they're at their low point, you would.

coach lee might be a good coach, idk, but the dude comes off as a snake more and more as i see how he tries to play people to his favor both publically and privately, regardless of how lazy or improper other people involved might have been. honestly i don't even believe what he says is entirely the truth because that's already not been the case 2 times or more with him just from what i know in other situations. how many times can you cry wolf before people start to wonder if there ever was one?
windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
August 04 2011 16:30 GMT
#19
On August 05 2011 01:18 zeru wrote:
10 days out of 45? What the fuck? Are you kidding me.

So much for Coach Lee being the bad guy.


Why do people do this? This is more complex than one side being wrong and the other is right. From what i have seen(and chances are that we will never see all) is that both sides acted and reacted poorly.

"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
PBG
Profile Joined June 2011
40 Posts
August 04 2011 16:30 GMT
#20
On August 05 2011 01:27 {ToT}ColmA wrote:
what is up the this shit, every next week i look at tl to find some freaking drama...its disgusting


people like drama when it's not happening to them personally
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